Avengers

[Mwynn]

The storyline established in First Class would have been fine, if they would not have used the previous movies in the trailer. Then used Hugh Jackman in the movie. As for the movie itself it felt rushed with the side swapping. They had Magneto turn to fast, it should have been a slow build up.

[Bishop]

Originally Posted by Mwynn

They had Magneto turn to fast, it should have been a slow build up.

Turn good or turn bad? I thought they did a good job of showing that he never gave up on his quest to destroy Shaw, and that his time with the XMen was just a means to an end.

[Moonrider]

Originally Posted by Allegory Comics

It was seriously one of the worst movies I have ever seen. Like ... Green Lantern bad.

I've watched both. First Class was nowhere near the glowing stinking crap that is the Green Lantern movie.

[Justice41]

Originally Posted by Buckyrig

I don't know that First Class has any plot holes if you're not trying to wedge it into the world of the other three X-Men movies. It felt like a retcon, so you just go with it.

Unfortunately i think Singer did try in some small way.

[Buckyrig]

Originally Posted by Mwynn

The storyline established in First Class would have been fine, if they would not have used the previous movies in the trailer. Then used Hugh Jackman in the movie. As for the movie itself it felt rushed with the side swapping. They had Magneto turn to fast, it should have been a slow build up.

I see that as in the same area (although, yes, playing the same characters instead in this case) as things like Kirk Alyn and Noel Neill appearing in the Superman: the Movie or Adam West voicing the Grey Ghost on B:TAS.

For all the little technical inconsistencies with the other X movies, the biggest problem connecting them to me is character-based anyway. The Mystique from First Class would never sabotage Cerebro to fry Xavier's brain.

[Moonrider]

Originally Posted by Justice41

Unfortunately i think Singer did try in some small way.

Well, he was one of the producer in X-Men First Class. He probably still wanted at least some acknowledgement for his past works on the franchise, even when the movie would be better off not having any relation with X1/2/3.

[Mwynn]

Originally Posted by Bishop

Turn good or turn bad? I thought they did a good job of showing that he never gave up on his quest to destroy Shaw, and that his time with the XMen was just a means to an end.

Turn bad. The friendship between Xavier and Magneto should have lasted for years, before he went bad.

[Mwynn]

Originally Posted by Buckyrig

I see that as in the same area (although, yes, playing the same characters instead in this case) as things like Kirk Alyn and Noel Neill appearing in the Superman: the Movie or Adam West voicing the Grey Ghost on B:TAS.

For all the little technical inconsistencies with the other X movies, the biggest problem connecting them to me is character-based anyway. The Mystique from First Class would never sabotage Cerebro to fry Xavier's brain.

True about her not trying to fry his mind. Which is why they should not have made a connection between those other movies.

[Buckyrig]

You know what else?

Alex and Scott would have to be over 20 years apart for the movies to link up.

[Mwynn]

The character choices were strange. Using Havok was really out there.

The part I did not like was how they wasted Darwin.

[Biofungus]

Real life following comics? This has become an Avengers vs. X-men thread

[Buckyrig]

Originally Posted by Mwynn

The part I did not like was how they wasted Darwin.

Black guy dies first. Those are the rules.

[Allegory Comics]

Originally Posted by Buckyrig

I see that as in the same area (although, yes, playing the same characters instead in this case) as things like Kirk Alyn and Noel Neill appearing in the Superman: the Movie or Adam West voicing the Grey Ghost on B:TAS.

The problem with that analogy is that they weren't reprising the same roles. If they did, I would see your point. But you can recast them in cameo homage appearances without appearing in the same continuity as the previous films or series because they're playing different characters; usually is small throway parts.

But in X-Men, those actors are playing the same parts (ie: Jackman/Wolverine and Romain/Mystique). That's foreshadowing. It just felt like a sloppy prequel that was wedged into the continuity of the other films. If it was a reboot, it was a very weak attempt.

But even as a standalone reboot, and forgetting the plot holes associated with the existing continuting ... it was still a terrible film with stupid characters. FIRST CLASS should have been Scott, Jean, Hank, Bobby and Warren. I think that was my biggest problem with it.

[Justice41]

My Main issue with First Class had more to do with the settings and the technology. It just never looked right. The flight pressure suits were really dumb. They wore em but then purposely exposed themselves to the elements the suits were meant to ward off. The skintightness of the suits also made them all look small like little kids with big heads. The movie should have been just about Magneto Shaw and X with Moira McT.

[SuperMonkey]

Originally Posted by Allegory Comics

The problem with that analogy is that they weren't reprising the same roles. If they did, I would see your point. But you can recast them in cameo homage appearances without appearing in the same continuity as the previous films or series because they're playing different characters; usually is small throway parts.

But in X-Men, those actors are playing the same parts (ie: Jackman/Wolverine and Romain/Mystique). That's foreshadowing. It just felt like a sloppy prequel that was wedged into the continuity of the other films. If it was a reboot, it was a very weak attempt.

But even as a standalone reboot, and forgetting the plot holes associated with the existing continuting ... it was still a terrible film with stupid characters. FIRST CLASS should have been Scott, Jean, Hank, Bobby and Warren. I think that was my biggest problem with it.

Again, Judi Dench.

Also, would Hank McCoy really not think to mention in X-Men 3 that a "cure" was the only reason he became a blue, furry freak way back in the day?