question....POD or Diamond??

[sabba]

every creator will always think their book is sellable and make money.The truth is there are going to be obstacles. Heck i have been coming against obstacles and i haven't formed my com[any yet. I am noob trying to get into the industry and i even know that it hard. heck i see this as long up hill road then just you come to top there is another longer and steeper road to follow. Diamond are entitled to have standards themselves. i wont complain if diamond doesn't pick my comic i'll try to see why and fix it. i probably have my hopes way too high, but i gonna try and i definitely wont whine. i know i am not the right person to say this but chrestmre you sound if you whining, i am sorry if thats a bitchy but from what i have observed diamond don't keep new publishers out without a good reason. they accept new publishers for a a better reason.My eyes are opening and i am learning. listen to the advice to the people who have had experience thats what i am doing. It is long process chrestmere and you'll come against obstacles along the way.

[Crestmere]

Good luck then.

BTW, there's a big mine field in my yard. But there's candy at the end of it if you want to run through it.

I bloody work in Hollywood, I know what kind of obstacles there are. That being said, it utterly boggles my mind that you guys are defending a system with practices that clearly anti-competitive.

The entire distribution and retail network is designed to keep new people out and unless you start thinking outside the box, you're going to throw your life savings away on a futile project.

[L Jamal]

Originally Posted by AlternaComics

MacFarlane, Lee, and all the rest didn't just create Image FIRST when they were nobodies - they sold millions of books first, had a tremendous sized fan base and THEN decided to create Image. And even they still went bankrupt in the first few years - not to mention that even Jim Lee still has to take up hack job projects like All Star Batman.

So you have source for this info?
McFarlane is the only Image creator to have a business to file bankruptcy and that was because of the huge loss to Tony Twist that his insurance eventually paid off. All the original seven were very successful with early Image. Jim Lee takes on " hack job projects" like All Star Batman because that's his job. He's one of the top employees at DC, so they place him on high profile projects like ASB.

[L Jamal]

Originally Posted by Crestmere

The entire distribution and retail network is designed to keep new people out and unless you start thinking outside the box, you're going to throw your life savings away on a futile project.

The same can be said of the book industry and any other major industry. Comics is the only industry where you have a chance of getting your story out there to the public without going bankrupt.

Diamond's job is to distribute the books order by its retailers. In order to do so, they decided that there is a bottom limit to what can be distributed. Any thing that doesn't meet that bottom threshold doesn't get distributed. Does it limit some titles? Yes. It is unfair, not really, you know the rules beforehand and it's up to you to work to get you books numbers up to the point that it's sustainable.

[AlternaComics]

Originally Posted by ljamal

So you have source for this info?
McFarlane is the only Image creator to have a business to file bankruptcy and that was because of the huge loss to Tony Twist that his insurance eventually paid off. All the original seven were very successful with early Image. Jim Lee takes on " hack job projects" like All Star Batman because that's his job. He's one of the top employees at DC, so they place him on high profile projects like ASB.

umm? thanks for basically reiterating my point while for some reason trying to put it down. And a title that gets constant delays (almost a year between an issue the last time I checked) is pretty much a hack project - not a high profile one. It started off high profile and now it's turning into a circus. I love Jim Lee's work but my point was that he hasn't just stopped working. Even someone as successful as he is, still works to stay on top.

[L Jamal]

Originally Posted by AlternaComics

umm? thanks for basically reiterating my point while for some reason trying to put it down. And a title that gets constant delays (almost a year between an issue the last time I checked) is pretty much a hack project - no a high profile one. It started off high profile and now it's turning into a circus. I love Jim Lee's work but my point was that he hasn't just "stopped" working. Even someone as successful as he is, still works to stay on top.

You implied that the Image creators went bankrupt publishing and none of them have. You implied that Jim Lee has to work on ASB right after implying that he was bankrupt. Neither is true.

ASB does suffer from delays, but it's still a high profile book. The lateness hasn't changed that, yet.

A lot of what you are spouting sounds like sour apples because your books don;t perform the way you think they should. Yes, the Image creators were wildly successful as indie publishers because of the their success at Marvel. That doesn't change the fact that they were a success, it just explains why. Eastman and Laird, Dave Dim, Jeff Smith, Terry Moore and many other have been a success with the DM, but you can't expect everyone to be a success because that's simply not realistic.

[AlternaComics]

Originally Posted by ljamal

You implied that the Image creators went bankrupt publishing and none of them have. You implied that Jim Lee has to work on ASB right after implying that he was bankrupt. Neither is true.

ASB does suffer from delays, but it's still a high profile book. The lateness hasn't changed that, yet.

A lot of what you are spouting sounds like sour apples because your books don;t perform the way you think they should. Yes, the Image creators were wildly successful as indie publishers because of the their success at Marvel. That doesn't change the fact that they were a success, it just explains why. Eastman and Laird, Dave Dim, Jeff Smith, Terry Moore and many other have been a success with the DM, but you can't expect everyone to be a success because that's simply not realistic.

Okay well now I'm 100% sure that you actually didn't read what I wrote because I was actually in support of the current system and even stated that with hard work and a good product, you will get somewhere. And that too many people expect to become big, fast. I also didn't imply that Image went bankrupt through publishing and I didn't imply that Jim Lee is bankrupt. And regardless of how a company goes bankrupt - going bankrupt is pretty freakin' huge. Of course Image has definitely turned itself around from that point in time, but that goes without saying.

I just really don't get how I'm spouting sour apples about books that don't perform because the last time I checked - you didn't have any of our sales numbers. I also don't know how I'm complaining either about my "poor performing books" when I didn't have one gripe about "oh diamond sucks they won't take us" when in fact I stated the opposite.

So I guess you should heed to the advice you're giving me, the whole "don't talk down about someone else's company unless you have all the facts" speech. Everyone knows that you know "everything" ljamal...you have no one here to impress.