Scarlet Witch

The DarkMind · 01-08-2007, 07:10 PM

Tell me what you think

thecarrierone · 01-08-2007, 07:32 PM

her neck is disjointed and her center line is messed up.
think about it this way
draw an imaginary line from her collar bone to her belly button. does that seem like a natural line to you?

i think you have some good lines here but i think that you have the wrong look for the character and she seems too erotic...
kinda looks like lanny barbie... tee hee...
ok goofs aside.... it doesnt have to be psuedo porno erotic to be sexy. and youll have to deal with people telling you how "obscene" it is. not worth the hassel.

zombiekiller 013 · 01-08-2007, 07:50 PM

it looks ok, i would pay more focus on the face and the hands. the pose is a bit provocative, but the body looks ok. it doesn't seem that the facial features are lined up with the headshape or maybe it's the hairline. as for the scarlet witch, i always thought she had a bit more class even though she's wearing hardly anything.

xaltair · 01-08-2007, 09:34 PM

There's small anatomical issues, but i don't mind the pose at all.

chaosgoat · 01-08-2007, 09:45 PM

I'm going to really honest. The porno-pose is really turning me OFF to this picture. That's not an image I like to see in comic book heroines, especially ones as powerful as SW. It's also an image that has gotten comic books a really bad rap. It's bad enough that the medium is often considered "cheap art" that's barely better than pornography, if it's considered art at all. Why perpetuate this negative image that has crippled the industry in the past 50 years? I like tits as much as the next reader, but frankly, I take alot of pride in the medium, and I'm working really hard to convince people that it's more than just big tits, shiny guns, and spandex. Please take into consideration the next time you feel inclined to do a piece like this.

Wow I came off as really harsh... Sorry. Preaching aside, I think you have a good strong style that has the potential to go really far with practice and study.

The Scribe · 01-08-2007, 09:54 PM

I agree with chaosgoat.

This might be fine for a Max or Vertigo comic but not for a mainstream character. I don't buy "mature" comic titles.

The DarkMind · 01-08-2007, 10:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chaosgoat

I like tits as much as the next reader, but frankly, I take alot of pride in the medium, and I'm working really hard to convince people that it's more than just big tits, shiny guns, and spandex.

It is?!?!?! (little joke there...laugh dammit!)
seriously though, I think I kept the breasts of a resonable and realistic size (small C) and held true to the proportions and positioning of the girl that modeled the pose for me with extremly little embellishment. I prefer to keep my girls as realistic as possible (maybe i just know hot well figured chicks which distorts my sense of realistic), especially when "erotic" images are requested. The pose itself itsn't overly graphic, it just shows a more sensual side of the character that is never explored without it being sexually exposing or graphic.

Appreciate the kind words at the end though, thank you

The Anti-crest · 01-08-2007, 10:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chaosgoat

I'm going to really honest. The porno-pose is really turning me OFF to this picture. That's not an image I like to see in comic book heroines, especially ones as powerful as SW. It's also an image that has gotten comic books a really bad rap. It's bad enough that the medium is often considered "cheap art" that's barely better than pornography, if it's considered art at all. Why perpetuate this negative image that has crippled the industry in the past 50 years? I like tits as much as the next reader, but frankly, I take alot of pride in the medium, and I'm working really hard to convince people that it's more than just big tits, shiny guns, and spandex. Please take into consideration the next time you feel inclined to do a piece like this.

Wow I came off as really harsh... Sorry. Preaching aside, I think you have a good strong style that has the potential to go really far with practice and study.

Great post.

Defpotec · 01-09-2007, 12:54 PM

Quicksilver's in that pic too, he's just so fast you can't see him.

The DarkMind · 01-09-2007, 01:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Defpotec

Quicksilver's in that pic too, he's just so fast you can't see him.

okay...if that's taken the wrong way with the expression on Wanda's face...that's just really REALLY sick

Cat · 01-09-2007, 01:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chaosgoat

I'm going to really honest. The porno-pose is really turning me OFF to this picture. That's not an image I like to see in comic book heroines, especially ones as powerful as SW. It's also an image that has gotten comic books a really bad rap. It's bad enough that the medium is often considered "cheap art" that's barely better than pornography, if it's considered art at all. Why perpetuate this negative image that has crippled the industry in the past 50 years? I like tits as much as the next reader, but frankly, I take alot of pride in the medium, and I'm working really hard to convince people that it's more than just big tits, shiny guns, and spandex. Please take into consideration the next time you feel inclined to do a piece like this.

Wow I came off as really harsh... Sorry. Preaching aside, I think you have a good strong style that has the potential to go really far with practice and study.

I couldn't have said it better myself.. i will only add that sublte sexuality goes a lot farther than blantent. But keeping it within the Character's character is also important.

Rich · 01-09-2007, 01:38 PM

Hey Darkmind,

I have to say I hope you don't listen to a word that Chaosgoat, The Scribe and Anti-Crest say. No disrespect to you guys but have you never even seen a european comic?? I'm the first to agree that breasts and guns type comics are a waste of time, but this whole view of comics was perpetuated by the awful dredge that was being published in the early nineties.

Having comic characters have sex or get naked is just reflecting real life and if its drawn well I don't see a problem with it. I do see a big problem with not allowing mainstream characters to appear in MAX titles. The She-Devil series by Frank Cho is a great example, what harm would it have done to leave the nudity in there????

There will always be kids comics, there will always be comics inbetween and there will always be adult comics, just live with and drop the Mary Whithouse, Conservative witch-hunt.

Anyway, that said onto the picture. As others have discussed the anatomy is a little awkward, but I like the feel of the lines. I would say that the hands need a little work, they don't have the 3d aspect of the rest of the picture.

Cheers,
Rich

The DarkMind · 01-09-2007, 02:23 PM

Thank you Rich, maybe I'm just living in the wrong country.

I would also like to finally point this out to the lot of you. This is a forum to showcase artwork. When an image is posted it is to gain feedback on structure, line work, and over-all composition. At no point in time does that involve your personal beliefs on morality or if the subject matter turns you off because you have something against sensuality, pornography, or violence. I have plenty of other places that Joe Public can get into morality debates on the subject matter with me, my work was brought here among my peers for constructive criticism which I have received surprisingly little of on anything I've posted.

As to what is structurally wrong, thank you to those on the points made that i see and agree with. The hands need work, I've known about that and have been working on improving. It is a difficult part of the anatomy which I know many artists struggle with. The collar line leading into her left shoulder is off and distorted. The center line however I have to disagree with as many people use the center line as a fixed point of references as opposed to taking into account there is a three dimensional surface surrounding that line which can twist and turn laterally not just move forwards and backwards. The center line is also only primarily used for a point of balance. The arch of the back and the twist of the torso is perfectly natural, and I know this because the lady friend I had model the pose had no difficulty getting into the position repeatedly and was able to hold it comfortably. Now either she was triple jointed and I was the luckiest S.O.B on the face of the planet that night, or there are people here that only know about center lines from what was learned reading "How to" books rather then observing the female form moving two feet in front of them.

With that said I still have hope of getting further critiques that don't involve personal ethics.

xaltair · 01-09-2007, 03:18 PM

I totally agree with you. If the pic had SW spread legged with a snake coming or going insider her naughty place then i'd be screaming and yelling too. But it's nowhere close to that and like i said there's anatomy issues but aside from that i find nothing wrong with it.

Cat · 01-09-2007, 03:23 PM

I did not say there was no place for the stuff..I am just saying you have to concider the character you are portraying..if it fits the character GO FOR IT (like if this was Enchantress insted of SW) otherwise it doesn't work. It is more like watching your parents have sex. And that is important to your crits as much as your line work the anatomy work.

01-08-2007, 07:10 PM	#1
The DarkMind Chaos Array Studios Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Trapped inside the head of the infamous Timothy Gula Posts: 1,947	Scarlet Witch Tell me what you think

01-09-2007, 01:38 PM	#12
Rich A Bona Fide Pencil Whore Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Surrey, England Posts: 113	What??? Hey Darkmind, I have to say I hope you don't listen to a word that Chaosgoat, The Scribe and Anti-Crest say. No disrespect to you guys but have you never even seen a european comic?? I'm the first to agree that breasts and guns type comics are a waste of time, but this whole view of comics was perpetuated by the awful dredge that was being published in the early nineties. Having comic characters have sex or get naked is just reflecting real life and if its drawn well I don't see a problem with it. I do see a big problem with not allowing mainstream characters to appear in MAX titles. The She-Devil series by Frank Cho is a great example, what harm would it have done to leave the nudity in there???? There will always be kids comics, there will always be comics inbetween and there will always be adult comics, just live with and drop the Mary Whithouse, Conservative witch-hunt. Anyway, that said onto the picture. As others have discussed the anatomy is a little awkward, but I like the feel of the lines. I would say that the hands need a little work, they don't have the 3d aspect of the rest of the picture. Cheers, Rich

01-09-2007, 03:23 PM	#15
Cat Evil Ginger Child Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Los Angeles, CA Posts: 4,642	I did not say there was no place for the stuff..I am just saying you have to concider the character you are portraying..if it fits the character GO FOR IT (like if this was Enchantress insted of SW) otherwise it doesn't work. It is more like watching your parents have sex. And that is important to your crits as much as your line work the anatomy work. Last edited by Cat; 01-09-2007 at 03:33 PM.

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01-08-2007, 07:32 PM	#2
thecarrierone student of the art of art Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: whitewater wi Posts: 1,117	her neck is disjointed and her center line is messed up. think about it this way draw an imaginary line from her collar bone to her belly button. does that seem like a natural line to you? i think you have some good lines here but i think that you have the wrong look for the character and she seems too erotic... kinda looks like lanny barbie... tee hee... ok goofs aside.... it doesnt have to be psuedo porno erotic to be sexy. and youll have to deal with people telling you how "obscene" it is. not worth the hassel.

01-08-2007, 07:50 PM	#3
zombiekiller 013 eric hurley Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: idaho falls, id Posts: 419	it looks ok, i would pay more focus on the face and the hands. the pose is a bit provocative, but the body looks ok. it doesn't seem that the facial features are lined up with the headshape or maybe it's the hairline. as for the scarlet witch, i always thought she had a bit more class even though she's wearing hardly anything.

01-08-2007, 09:34 PM	#4
xaltair Boobies Master Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Toronto, Canada Posts: 2,315	There's small anatomical issues, but i don't mind the pose at all.

01-08-2007, 09:45 PM	#5
chaosgoat Uh-huh... Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Kentucky Posts: 2,441	I'm going to really honest. The porno-pose is really turning me OFF to this picture. That's not an image I like to see in comic book heroines, especially ones as powerful as SW. It's also an image that has gotten comic books a really bad rap. It's bad enough that the medium is often considered "cheap art" that's barely better than pornography, if it's considered art at all. Why perpetuate this negative image that has crippled the industry in the past 50 years? I like tits as much as the next reader, but frankly, I take alot of pride in the medium, and I'm working really hard to convince people that it's more than just big tits, shiny guns, and spandex. Please take into consideration the next time you feel inclined to do a piece like this. Wow I came off as really harsh... Sorry. Preaching aside, I think you have a good strong style that has the potential to go really far with practice and study.

01-08-2007, 09:54 PM	#6
The Scribe Aspiring writer Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Batavia, Ohio Posts: 2,451	I agree with chaosgoat. This might be fine for a Max or Vertigo comic but not for a mainstream character. I don't buy "mature" comic titles.

01-09-2007, 12:54 PM	#9
Defpotec I'm Niall, I write Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: San Diego Posts: 144	Quicksilver's in that pic too, he's just so fast you can't see him.

01-09-2007, 02:23 PM	#13
The DarkMind Chaos Array Studios Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Trapped inside the head of the infamous Timothy Gula Posts: 1,947	Thank you Rich, maybe I'm just living in the wrong country. I would also like to finally point this out to the lot of you. This is a forum to showcase artwork. When an image is posted it is to gain feedback on structure, line work, and over-all composition. At no point in time does that involve your personal beliefs on morality or if the subject matter turns you off because you have something against sensuality, pornography, or violence. I have plenty of other places that Joe Public can get into morality debates on the subject matter with me, my work was brought here among my peers for constructive criticism which I have received surprisingly little of on anything I've posted. As to what is structurally wrong, thank you to those on the points made that i see and agree with. The hands need work, I've known about that and have been working on improving. It is a difficult part of the anatomy which I know many artists struggle with. The collar line leading into her left shoulder is off and distorted. The center line however I have to disagree with as many people use the center line as a fixed point of references as opposed to taking into account there is a three dimensional surface surrounding that line which can twist and turn laterally not just move forwards and backwards. The center line is also only primarily used for a point of balance. The arch of the back and the twist of the torso is perfectly natural, and I know this because the lady friend I had model the pose had no difficulty getting into the position repeatedly and was able to hold it comfortably. Now either she was triple jointed and I was the luckiest S.O.B on the face of the planet that night, or there are people here that only know about center lines from what was learned reading "How to" books rather then observing the female form moving two feet in front of them. With that said I still have hope of getting further critiques that don't involve personal ethics.

01-09-2007, 03:18 PM	#14
xaltair Boobies Master Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Toronto, Canada Posts: 2,315	I totally agree with you. If the pic had SW spread legged with a snake coming or going insider her naughty place then i'd be screaming and yelling too. But it's nowhere close to that and like i said there's anatomy issues but aside from that i find nothing wrong with it.