Final Round?

Press Oblivion · 12-13-2006, 03:11 PM

OK I'm hoping that the DW tournament is wrapping up with this round and this is what I've been working on to stop the advancement of this competition.

I'm having small hand, big head and broken back issues and somehow I managed to get a giant dinosaur skull into the mix. I think that Cavewoman's breasts are unbalanced but you tell me what's going on here.
Thanks,
EJ

jedipencil · 12-13-2006, 03:14 PM

Wow!!! You nailed it!!

But, ummmmm, wouldn't the girls fall over with boobs that big? But beautiful boobs they are!!! Wish mine looked like that!

Press Oblivion · 12-13-2006, 03:18 PM

LOL
have you seen Bud Root's Cavewoman? I gave her a reduction, trust me. lol
Thanks I'm glad you like it!
EJ

Oh yeah, This is Cavewoman and Red Sonja in case anyone is wondering.

xaltair · 12-13-2006, 03:19 PM

The heads seem fine, the hands could be a tad bigger but it's ok. What bothers me is i don't really know what Sonja's standing on...is she standing on the dinosaur head or what? Also cave woman does seem to be bent at an interesting angle. Her shoulders seem too narrow compared to the rest of her torso, rib cage and boobs.

I don't know...it looks great but seems to be missing something.

jeaf7 · 12-13-2006, 03:41 PM

I love it...The only thing that bothers me is the cave womans face. Her facial expression doesnt fit. She should look mad...

DarkKni9hT · 12-13-2006, 03:44 PM

Looking good for the most part, Ed. I love the dynamics of Sonja's swining sword. You can really feel the momentum building. Also, the gravity and movement of her breasts is tremendous. I think you might want to reexamine her left leg. The foot doesn't quite seem grounded and there's a tangent issue with the dinosaur's mouth that makes her thigh seem weird. Normally I would say the abs are too much for a female character, but I know your style and it is, after all, Red Sonja, a hardened warrior, so it fits well.
As for Cavewoman, the overall pose is strong, but there are a few issues you could strengthen. Her right forearm looks a little short in comparison to the rest of her. Also, you should either move her right breast back or push the ribcage out farther, probably the latter. Her feet are a real strong point in this figure, very grounded and weightbearing. I think you might be mistaken about the small hands thing. They look alright to me, though Cavewoman's left hand could use a tweak to make it feel more like it's grasping the spear for a thrust. Looks a bit weak at present.
Overall, a really good effort here. I've had my money on you in this draw-off from the start and this should surely lock you in for this round. My only regret is that I f*&cked up on the deadline for the fourth round and was disqualified instead of being knocked out legitimately by artwork of this kind of caliber. Oh, well, next time.
Best if luck getting through the finals. Good work, as always.

FIG · 12-13-2006, 04:03 PM

EJ, we could sit here and pick apart and overanalyze this drawing to death here but really man, its great and top notch drawing. Just finish it and run with it. I love the energy, I love the posing, and I love the level of detail and the composition is strong. I would change 2 things. Extend Cavewomans right leg out more to make her pose more dynamic like shes about to strike. Maybe change her expression to match Red Sonjas ferocity. Cavewomans breasts are fine though. Or just ignore what I said and finish this one up. Its really solid.

Almightychar · 12-13-2006, 04:58 PM

Very cool! I think sonjas arms look awsome! As far as cave woman I think the angle of her torso or hips should be changed. She just looks more bent than humanly possible. Although, that seems like it would be a big change since those areas link the rest of the body together. Oh well, cool none the less!

Actually, after looking at it again I think its the positioning of cavewomans right leg that is the problem. If it were raised in front of her you would be able to see the right side of her hips. That would fix it because the left leg and her torso look fine together, but then I think changing it that way would mess up the piece. Well I tried

Jasen Smith · 12-13-2006, 05:08 PM

I love this pic alot.

The boobs flapping around is a great touch but Cave woman isn't showing the same flow as Red. Less action in the cave woman drys out the corner and makes think Red is going to win without any trouble.

If she had a more fierce look to her face, (or her boobs flapping around) it would improve this pic.

9.4

Press Oblivion · 12-13-2006, 06:41 PM

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Originally Posted by xaltair

The heads seem fine, the hands could be a tad bigger but it's ok. What bothers me is i don't really know what Sonja's standing on...is she standing on the dinosaur head or what? Also cave woman does seem to be bent at an interesting angle. Her shoulders seem too narrow compared to the rest of her torso, rib cage and boobs.

I don't know...it looks great but seems to be missing something.

Thanks,
The hands should be bigger but I just couldn't figure it out. I agree completely with the stance of Red Sonja. I think that this has a lot to do with me not working out the drawing before I get into the dedicated pencils. Cavewoman's interesting angle is the broken back that I mentioned before and there are misproportions all over her figure but I tried to cover it up. thanks.

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Originally Posted by jeaf7

I love it...The only thing that bothers me is the cave womans face. Her facial expression doesnt fit. She should look mad...

I didn't really want her to look mad. She's so cute when she's drawn by Bud Root that I wanted to capture some of that innocence that's so inviting in his drawings. I wanted to gove her a much different attitude than Sonja and I think that the intention comes across here. I know it's a little disconcerting but it was intentional.
Thanks

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Originally Posted by DarkKni9hT

Looking good for the most part, Ed. I love the dynamics of Sonja's swining sword. You can really feel the momentum building. Also, the gravity and movement of her breasts is tremendous. I think you might want to reexamine her left leg. The foot doesn't quite seem grounded and there's a tangent issue with the dinosaur's mouth that makes her thigh seem weird. Normally I would say the abs are too much for a female character, but I know your style and it is, after all, Red Sonja, a hardened warrior, so it fits well.
As for Cavewoman, the overall pose is strong, but there are a few issues you could strengthen. Her right forearm looks a little short in comparison to the rest of her. Also, you should either move her right breast back or push the ribcage out farther, probably the latter. Her feet are a real strong point in this figure, very grounded and weightbearing. I think you might be mistaken about the small hands thing. They look alright to me, though Cavewoman's left hand could use a tweak to make it feel more like it's grasping the spear for a thrust. Looks a bit weak at present.
Overall, a really good effort here. I've had my money on you in this draw-off from the start and this should surely lock you in for this round. My only regret is that I f*&cked up on the deadline for the fourth round and was disqualified instead of being knocked out legitimately by artwork of this kind of caliber. Oh, well, next time.
Best if luck getting through the finals. Good work, as always.

I saw the tangent but I didn't know what to do about it. I tried to darkent the area under the leg to lift the empty space of her leg off that spot but it still was't working so I left it.

I agree with the grasp on the spear that you're talking about, I was having trouble with the hands a great deal on this one, on both girls. Cavewoman's pose and awkwardness are intentional though I didn't mean to break her back. I wanted Sonja to have the warrior's advantage on Cavewoman and I wanted the two of them to have very different natures, so if the grip seems weak then I think that it works towards Cavewoman's character.

Thanks for the well wish in the tournament and you did great there. I'msuprised Jamal didn't let you slide with a late entry or something, I think he did something like that before for others. . . not sure though.
Thanks again.

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Originally Posted by FIG

EJ, we could sit here and pick apart and overanalyze this drawing to death here but really man, its great and top notch drawing. Just finish it and run with it. I love the energy, I love the posing, and I love the level of detail and the composition is strong. I would change 2 things. Extend Cavewomans right leg out more to make her pose more dynamic like shes about to strike. Maybe change her expression to match Red Sonjas ferocity. Cavewomans breasts are fine though. Or just ignore what I said and finish this one up. Its really solid.

The suggestion that you have here is spot on, about Cavewoman's less than dynamic pose. If you check out my site, you'll see a great example of what could have given this the Cavewoman character that dynamic element that you're talking about here. If you have a moment, Click on the picture it will take you to my entry and check it out.

Again, the expression was intentional. Really, I wanted to make her look dingy and sort of out of place. This accentuates Sonja's demeanor some.

And I'm not ignoring what anyone says, I just don't have the hear to go back and readraw a lot of the points that are made here.
Thanks FIG.

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Originally Posted by Almightychar

Very cool! I think sonjas arms look awsome! As far as cave woman I think the angle of her torso or hips should be changed. She just looks more bent than humanly possible. Although, that seems like it would be a big change since those areas link the rest of the body together. Oh well, cool none the less!

Actually, after looking at it again I think its the positioning of cavewomans right leg that is the problem. If it were raised in front of her you would be able to see the right side of her hips. That would fix it because the left leg and her torso look fine together, but then I think changing it that way would mess up the piece. Well I tried

You're right. And that would be a great rememdy but alas I don't have the heart to go back nad change that much of the figure.
Thanks

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Originally Posted by misteraxis

I love this pic alot.

The boobs flapping around is a great touch but Cave woman isn't showing the same flow as Red. Less action in the cave woman drys out the corner and makes think Red is going to win without any trouble.

If she had a more fierce look to her face, (or her boobs flapping around) it would improve this pic.

9.4

Thanks for the rating. That's much more that I would have given this drawing. Like I said before, I wanted Cavewoman to have less flow than Red. The flapping boos idea sounds like a winner though. I'll have to remember that. lol

Thanks for your responses guys . . . . please don't mind the spelling.
EJ

blksuperman2 · 12-13-2006, 09:21 PM

Awesome pic. I'm impressed. I really really love the...........um.........realistic...........um... .......gravity you have going here.

ChrisMcJunkin · 12-13-2006, 10:05 PM

Press, you've really done a bang up job with this. I think this may be the most fluid work I've seen from you. Only real suggestion I have is that rather than Sonja's right foot resting on the dinosaur, have it in the air as though she is jumping. The reason being is that her breastd are being tugged upward which to me would signify that she is jumping down. Take into account that she is thrusting her arms upward, I think the only thing that could counteract gravity is if she was jumping from a higher plane. I do agree about Cavewoman's back being turned possibly too severely as well. It does look a bit unnatural.

All in all though, the anatomy of this is really stunning. Great job.

Wayne Drake · 12-13-2006, 10:10 PM

the boob physics are impressive. good job!

DarkKni9hT · 12-13-2006, 11:03 PM

boob physics!!

hellblazer72 · 12-14-2006, 12:52 AM

i always wondered if sonja's were real or fake...i see no scar so those weapons of mass erections are real...nice pic...the only thing is the mouth of the dinosaur looks like it's part of red's leg at first glance...it follows the contours of her leg alittle too much...that's my only crit...

12-13-2006, 03:11 PM	#1
Press Oblivion E.J. Morges Oblivious Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: New York Posts: 1,333	Final Round? OK I'm hoping that the DW tournament is wrapping up with this round and this is what I've been working on to stop the advancement of this competition. I'm having small hand, big head and broken back issues and somehow I managed to get a giant dinosaur skull into the mix. I think that Cavewoman's breasts are unbalanced but you tell me what's going on here. Thanks, EJ Last edited by Press Oblivion; 12-14-2006 at 08:45 AM.

12-13-2006, 03:14 PM	#2
jedipencil Rabid Horse Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: East of Montreal Posts: 3,107	Wow!!! You nailed it!! But, ummmmm, wouldn't the girls fall over with boobs that big? But beautiful boobs they are!!! Wish mine looked like that! __________________ Rabid Horse l My Etsy Store l Goodreads Allons-y!

12-13-2006, 04:58 PM	#8
Almightychar Remington Steele's father Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Shh, don't talk with your mouth open. Posts: 98	Very cool! I think sonjas arms look awsome! As far as cave woman I think the angle of her torso or hips should be changed. She just looks more bent than humanly possible. Although, that seems like it would be a big change since those areas link the rest of the body together. Oh well, cool none the less! Actually, after looking at it again I think its the positioning of cavewomans right leg that is the problem. If it were raised in front of her you would be able to see the right side of her hips. That would fix it because the left leg and her torso look fine together, but then I think changing it that way would mess up the piece. Well I tried Last edited by Almightychar; 12-13-2006 at 05:06 PM.

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12-13-2006, 03:18 PM	#3
Press Oblivion E.J. Morges Oblivious Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: New York Posts: 1,333	LOL have you seen Bud Root's Cavewoman? I gave her a reduction, trust me. lol Thanks I'm glad you like it! EJ Oh yeah, This is Cavewoman and Red Sonja in case anyone is wondering.

12-13-2006, 03:19 PM	#4
xaltair Boobies Master Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Toronto, Canada Posts: 2,315	The heads seem fine, the hands could be a tad bigger but it's ok. What bothers me is i don't really know what Sonja's standing on...is she standing on the dinosaur head or what? Also cave woman does seem to be bent at an interesting angle. Her shoulders seem too narrow compared to the rest of her torso, rib cage and boobs. I don't know...it looks great but seems to be missing something.

12-13-2006, 03:41 PM	#5
jeaf7 Registered User Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 328	I love it...The only thing that bothers me is the cave womans face. Her facial expression doesnt fit. She should look mad...

12-13-2006, 03:44 PM	#6
DarkKni9hT Th'Ink Tank Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Montreal, QC Posts: 1,600	Looking good for the most part, Ed. I love the dynamics of Sonja's swining sword. You can really feel the momentum building. Also, the gravity and movement of her breasts is tremendous. I think you might want to reexamine her left leg. The foot doesn't quite seem grounded and there's a tangent issue with the dinosaur's mouth that makes her thigh seem weird. Normally I would say the abs are too much for a female character, but I know your style and it is, after all, Red Sonja, a hardened warrior, so it fits well. As for Cavewoman, the overall pose is strong, but there are a few issues you could strengthen. Her right forearm looks a little short in comparison to the rest of her. Also, you should either move her right breast back or push the ribcage out farther, probably the latter. Her feet are a real strong point in this figure, very grounded and weightbearing. I think you might be mistaken about the small hands thing. They look alright to me, though Cavewoman's left hand could use a tweak to make it feel more like it's grasping the spear for a thrust. Looks a bit weak at present. Overall, a really good effort here. I've had my money on you in this draw-off from the start and this should surely lock you in for this round. My only regret is that I f*&cked up on the deadline for the fourth round and was disqualified instead of being knocked out legitimately by artwork of this kind of caliber. Oh, well, next time. Best if luck getting through the finals. Good work, as always.

12-13-2006, 04:03 PM	#7
FIG Illustrator Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Underground military bunker Posts: 382	EJ, we could sit here and pick apart and overanalyze this drawing to death here but really man, its great and top notch drawing. Just finish it and run with it. I love the energy, I love the posing, and I love the level of detail and the composition is strong. I would change 2 things. Extend Cavewomans right leg out more to make her pose more dynamic like shes about to strike. Maybe change her expression to match Red Sonjas ferocity. Cavewomans breasts are fine though. Or just ignore what I said and finish this one up. Its really solid.

12-13-2006, 05:08 PM	#9
Jasen Smith Lee Nordling is my hero Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: My own mind Posts: 3,943	I love this pic alot. The boobs flapping around is a great touch but Cave woman isn't showing the same flow as Red. Less action in the cave woman drys out the corner and makes think Red is going to win without any trouble. If she had a more fierce look to her face, (or her boobs flapping around) it would improve this pic. 9.4

12-13-2006, 09:21 PM	#11
blksuperman2 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 62	Awesome pic. I'm impressed. I really really love the...........um.........realistic...........um... .......gravity you have going here.

12-13-2006, 10:05 PM	#12
ChrisMcJunkin Artist for Hire Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 1,133	Press, you've really done a bang up job with this. I think this may be the most fluid work I've seen from you. Only real suggestion I have is that rather than Sonja's right foot resting on the dinosaur, have it in the air as though she is jumping. The reason being is that her breastd are being tugged upward which to me would signify that she is jumping down. Take into account that she is thrusting her arms upward, I think the only thing that could counteract gravity is if she was jumping from a higher plane. I do agree about Cavewoman's back being turned possibly too severely as well. It does look a bit unnatural. All in all though, the anatomy of this is really stunning. Great job.

12-13-2006, 10:10 PM	#13
Wayne Drake Not a Pro Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: SoCal Posts: 3,653	the boob physics are impressive. good job!

12-13-2006, 11:03 PM	#14
DarkKni9hT Th'Ink Tank Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Montreal, QC Posts: 1,600	boob physics!!

12-14-2006, 12:52 AM	#15
hellblazer72 the love ninja Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 874	i always wondered if sonja's were real or fake...i see no scar so those weapons of mass erections are real...nice pic...the only thing is the mouth of the dinosaur looks like it's part of red's leg at first glance...it follows the contours of her leg alittle too much...that's my only crit...