Magdelana inx

colorzoo · 12-03-2006, 03:54 AM

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please let me know what you think.
Digi inx by the way.

Frank

Jimmy · 12-03-2006, 02:42 PM

Nice, I just don't like the way FJM drew her nose.

colorzoo · 12-03-2006, 05:08 PM

Yeah me too, but I tried to stay true to the pencils.

shushubag · 12-06-2006, 09:49 PM

I think this is awesome. Both the pencils and inks. And yeah I'm not too crazy about her nose either.

One crit though and it's just my opinion but the nose on the pencils from what I can see don't have those lines above the nostrils. The lines on the inked version makes her nose look a little more stumpy and faced down.

Mecha · 12-07-2006, 01:39 AM

There's a bit you could have changed about her nose.... and you can stay true to pencils while making corrections and improving things through the inks... I would have sharpened the nose outline a bit and added a little bit of hatching to our right side and not to the top, maybe curved a little bit to show the roundness.... but I don't have those pencils

Her eyes are also too light, Francis' women always have the thick lashes that make their eyes lively and for some reason this looks too light and sharp you know? Also the shading bits behind her that have the crosshatching aren't blending too well... they're very light all over and that stood out like a flat mesh... its very easy to fix tho! just make the outer edges of the crosshatching heavier so it blends into the black. I love the hatching and feathering on her hood though.

Scribbly · 12-07-2006, 10:37 AM

Excuse my ignorance.
Your interpretation seems good and accurate to me, except for the tree lines in the nostrils, turns the character a little bit cartoonish, in the central point of attention.
But is your interpretation, and you know why you like that. Fine by me.
My question is, which is the advantage of ink digital?
Gives more precision?
It's time saving related to classical inking?
Can you help me on it? I really have not idea.
Thanks.

zpro1 · 12-07-2006, 04:58 PM

Digital inking is the devils work.

Those who use it will be cursed for life. In Satans scriptures he tells of a time when all hand inking will be obsolete and all of his demons will rule the earth.

Oops got carried away there for a minute.

Those who use digital inking are probably afraid of making a mistake. Some are afraid of getting their fingers covered with ink. Thats my theory and I'm sticking to it.
zpro1

colorzoo · 12-09-2006, 08:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by shushubag

I think this is awesome. Both the pencils and inks. And yeah I'm not too crazy about her nose either.

One crit though and it's just my opinion but the nose on the pencils from what I can see don't have those lines above the nostrils. The lines on the inked version makes her nose look a little more stumpy and faced down.

Those littles line were an after thought actually.

Also the shading bits behind her that have the crosshatching aren't blending too well... they're very light all over and that stood out like a flat mesh... its very easy to fix tho! just make the outer edges of the crosshatching heavier so it blends into the black.

You got me there

I was working superlaaaate on this area and did a halp ass job on it that's my fault.

My question is, which is the advantage of ink digital?
Gives more precision?
It's time saving related to classical inking?
Can you help me on it? I really have not idea.
Thanks.

one of the advantages of doing inking on a computer is that it going to can get a page out to a colorist or editor as soon as i finish it.
Precision is another, I can edit the page as many time as i want. For example if i think a line is to thin or thick all i have to do is either select the line adjust the thickness of the stroke or select another brush and presto!

I don't know if if there is a difference as far as time saving cuz i never inked traditionally.
I would like to say that sadly

, computer aided inking is the next thing to take over comics, like coloring and lettering. but that's not going to take place for a loooong time.

colorzoo · 12-09-2006, 09:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by zpro1

Digital inking is the devils work.

Those who use it will be cursed for life. In Satans scriptures he tells of a time when all hand inking will be obsolete and all of his demons will rule the earth.

Oops got carried away there for a minute.

Those who use digital inking are probably afraid of making a mistake. Some are afraid of getting their fingers covered with ink. Thats my theory and I'm sticking to it.
zpro1

Not for me, at least. I work as a roofer by day, and I get my hand full of Henry's mastic (roofing tar).

Scribbly · 12-10-2006, 05:44 AM

Thanks colorzoo,
Very impressed after to see your portfolio. Unlike you, i never inked digitally.

To ink traditionally I do 2 pages a day,sometimes 3.
Professional inkers use to do 4 or 5 per day.
For average, inks used to be faster than pencils, since all is already draw, a guy with skills in inking, means good lines control, with brush, crow Quill and rapidograph, can made a page in a quarter of penciller's time.
That's use to be the inkers advantage, the inking was paid a 70% of the pencil price. And they can do 2 or 3 comic inking a month.
Pencillers just one.

My advantage,when I ink my own pencils is to leave the pencils loose and do the finals in ink.
When I work with inkers I rather do ink with pencil, means finished and well defined pencils.
I not counting the now extra time in digital process after the inks like scan and photoshop adjustments, before to send the files.
As i can see you do your inks in photoshop. Mac i guess.
I never used photoshop for ink.
Did you take classes somewhere,(for ink digitally) or it just came from your own practice and experimentation?
Thanks, very impressed.

colorzoo · 12-10-2006, 10:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Scribbly

As i can see you do your inks in photoshop. Mac i guess.
I never used photoshop for ink.
Did you take classes somewhere,(for ink digitally) or it just came from your own practice and experimentation?
Thanks, very impressed.

I ink in Illustrator, and I did use a Mac

. The only type of training I got for Digitally inking is a tutorial from here www.pensnpixels.com and an inking book from Steve Rude and Gary Martin " The art of comic book inking"

Frank

Levis · 12-11-2006, 11:41 AM

My roofing brotha! Henrys huh. I prefer the 906 over the 208. 208's way to thin.

colorzoo · 12-11-2006, 06:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Levis

My roofing brotha! Henrys huh. I prefer the 906 over the 208. 208's way to thin.

Right on! Where you roofing? I'm in Southern California. Phelan Ca, high wind area.

Levis · 12-11-2006, 07:04 PM

Hot tar roofing in Spokane WA. Well not right now, seasons over. Everything is frozen, so no patch calls. Took pictures of one of my jobs this summer check it out http://leviske.deviantart.com/gallery/scraps/

colorzoo · 12-11-2006, 08:55 PM

That's cool, Here in SoCal It's roofing year round, I do a little Hot, some tile, but mostly shingle, dimensional 3 tab doesn't work to well in the high wind area.
I also checked out your pix! Ever had,the kettle flash on you?

12-03-2006, 03:54 AM	#1
colorzoo Digital Inker Guy Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Phelan, Ca Posts: 297	Magdelana inx [img=http://img2.freeimagehosting.net/uploads/th.08877b3a14.jpg] please let me know what you think. Digi inx by the way. Frank Last edited by colorzoo; 12-03-2006 at 03:59 AM.

12-07-2006, 01:39 AM	#5
Mecha Freelance Inker Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: The Great Northwest Posts: 2,034	There's a bit you could have changed about her nose.... and you can stay true to pencils while making corrections and improving things through the inks... I would have sharpened the nose outline a bit and added a little bit of hatching to our right side and not to the top, maybe curved a little bit to show the roundness.... but I don't have those pencils Her eyes are also too light, Francis' women always have the thick lashes that make their eyes lively and for some reason this looks too light and sharp you know? Also the shading bits behind her that have the crosshatching aren't blending too well... they're very light all over and that stood out like a flat mesh... its very easy to fix tho! just make the outer edges of the crosshatching heavier so it blends into the black. I love the hatching and feathering on her hood though. Last edited by Mecha; 12-07-2006 at 01:43 AM.

12-07-2006, 10:37 AM	#6
Scribbly Easy Reader Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Amerika Posts: 3,739	Excuse my ignorance. Your interpretation seems good and accurate to me, except for the tree lines in the nostrils, turns the character a little bit cartoonish, in the central point of attention. But is your interpretation, and you know why you like that. Fine by me. My question is, which is the advantage of ink digital? Gives more precision? It's time saving related to classical inking? Can you help me on it? I really have not idea. Thanks. Last edited by Scribbly; 12-07-2006 at 10:43 AM.

12-10-2006, 05:44 AM	#10
Scribbly Easy Reader Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Amerika Posts: 3,739	Thanks colorzoo, Very impressed after to see your portfolio. Unlike you, i never inked digitally. To ink traditionally I do 2 pages a day,sometimes 3. Professional inkers use to do 4 or 5 per day. For average, inks used to be faster than pencils, since all is already draw, a guy with skills in inking, means good lines control, with brush, crow Quill and rapidograph, can made a page in a quarter of penciller's time. That's use to be the inkers advantage, the inking was paid a 70% of the pencil price. And they can do 2 or 3 comic inking a month. Pencillers just one. My advantage,when I ink my own pencils is to leave the pencils loose and do the finals in ink. When I work with inkers I rather do ink with pencil, means finished and well defined pencils. I not counting the now extra time in digital process after the inks like scan and photoshop adjustments, before to send the files. As i can see you do your inks in photoshop. Mac i guess. I never used photoshop for ink. Did you take classes somewhere,(for ink digitally) or it just came from your own practice and experimentation? Thanks, very impressed. Last edited by Scribbly; 12-10-2006 at 06:07 AM.

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12-03-2006, 02:42 PM	#2
Jimmy Artist/Inker Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: In a Ink Bottle! Posts: 695	Nice, I just don't like the way FJM drew her nose.

12-03-2006, 05:08 PM	#3
colorzoo Digital Inker Guy Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Phelan, Ca Posts: 297	Yeah me too, but I tried to stay true to the pencils.

12-06-2006, 09:49 PM	#4
shushubag Registered User Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: hilo hawaii Posts: 707	I think this is awesome. Both the pencils and inks. And yeah I'm not too crazy about her nose either. One crit though and it's just my opinion but the nose on the pencils from what I can see don't have those lines above the nostrils. The lines on the inked version makes her nose look a little more stumpy and faced down.

12-07-2006, 04:58 PM	#7
zpro1 BlackBelt Inker HiYaa! Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: San Fransicko Posts: 215	Digital inking is the devils work. Those who use it will be cursed for life. In Satans scriptures he tells of a time when all hand inking will be obsolete and all of his demons will rule the earth. Oops got carried away there for a minute. Those who use digital inking are probably afraid of making a mistake. Some are afraid of getting their fingers covered with ink. Thats my theory and I'm sticking to it. zpro1

12-11-2006, 11:41 AM	#12
Levis Registered User Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 62	My roofing brotha! Henrys huh. I prefer the 906 over the 208. 208's way to thin.

12-11-2006, 07:04 PM	#14
Levis Registered User Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 62	Hot tar roofing in Spokane WA. Well not right now, seasons over. Everything is frozen, so no patch calls. Took pictures of one of my jobs this summer check it out http://leviske.deviantart.com/gallery/scraps/

12-11-2006, 08:55 PM	#15
colorzoo Digital Inker Guy Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Phelan, Ca Posts: 297	That's cool, Here in SoCal It's roofing year round, I do a little Hot, some tile, but mostly shingle, dimensional 3 tab doesn't work to well in the high wind area. I also checked out your pix! Ever had,the kettle flash on you?