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Old 11-19-2017, 02:17 AM   #16
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People have already offered great advice. If you would like some help with Rendering your art I made a How To Video that may help.
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Old 11-19-2017, 01:50 PM   #17
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we do that to other people's art work here?
I thought that was a bit of overstepping one's boundaries, as well, cesare, unless Justice had gotten in touch with you to approve posting it.
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we do that to other people's art work here?
We used to do that, has something changed? I don't visit much so if the whole art overlay, manip, help thing has gone away there's no reason to keep coming here.
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Old 11-21-2017, 02:10 PM   #19
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sure, advice, but totalling obliterating the work? The point was to render the figure. I respect your skill but that was not advice.
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Old 11-21-2017, 02:17 PM   #20
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Watched the vid Jimmy, great technique
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Old 11-21-2017, 04:17 PM   #21
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sure, advice, but totalling obliterating the work? The point was to render the figure. I respect your skill but that was not advice.
I don't see what the problem is. he altered it to offer a visual representation of his thoughts on something that could or could not work. he actually stopped everything hes doing, and put some time in to make some alterations to show you what he meant, rather than just SAYING it. he could have just said it, but with art, sometimes its easier to show that try to explain.

ultimately, he didn't hurt your art. its still there. why didn't you have a problem with the guy that took your art and did that drawover with the "crest" thing or whatever that was. he took your art and altered it, to show a point.. but you weren't concerned. so I don't see the problem with justice doing what he did in the context he did.

either way, this thread for a minute, has been offering some nice thoughts on art and different ways to approach it. its been valuable. and that's good.

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Old 11-21-2017, 06:15 PM   #22
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Agreed.

Don't personally think it was over stepping. More people need to illustrate THEIR points visually. This is a visual medium.

That was his take on the picture, like all advice you take the bits that work and ignore the rest.

You still have your art, he didn't come to your place with a sharpie and draw on the original.
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Old 11-21-2017, 11:03 PM   #23
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lol let it go.
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Old 11-22-2017, 01:07 PM   #24
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The thread may be getting out of hand, I stand by what I said, the point of the piece was to render the figure.

I enjoyed applying some of the advice I got with regards to anatomy and rendering. Justice is a pro and I value feedback tremendously, but it irked me that he just wiped out the effort and I'm not apologizing for it.
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From where I am, a graphic correction over artwork is always more effective and clever than a written, detailed description of what should be improved.
I liked the first image as it was. It has a good flow. With a few touches it could be perfect.
I see Tasker was effective and clever for everyone on the issues.

When correcting artwork is important to keep on mind what was the original intent of the author before put hands on.
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We used to do that, has something changed? I don't visit much so if the whole art overlay, manip, help thing has gone away there's no reason to keep coming here.
Yeah, Justice is right. Back in the day other creators helped other creators get better. That was the beauty behind this site. I get it though, nowadays people don't want that help and that's okay too.

But I would hate to see Justice take off because of this. I hope he doesn't because we need more people like him.
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"Yeah, Justice is right. Back in the day other creators helped other creators get better. That was the beauty behind this site. I get it though, nowadays people don't want that help ...."

I did not say I dont want help.....but if the idea is to render the drawing, eliminating the rendering.....I dont see that as help......
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[QUOTE=cesare2009;1871399 I did not say I dont want help.....but if the idea is to render the drawing, eliminating the rendering.....I dont see that as help......[/QUOTE]

I think maybe you were missing the point of his post. what I thought he was getting at in part (and I could be completely wrong here) is that if you remove all the rendering and distracting lines and crosshatching and just get down to the basic simple linework of the FIGURE, and see if it still looks structurally sound and dynamic, without all the other stuff.. then its a good indicator of how well the figure is working.
not saying the rendering is bad or wrong. its just a way to look more simply at the figure work to see how its going. kinda like taking a drawing you are doing and looking at it in reverse and suddenly all kinds of errors you just couldn't see before become super apparent. I do this all the time with my own stuff.

anyway..i could be wrong about his intent. but that's the lesson I took from it. as just an example of how to see how your drawing is going.

anyway...you are still good at what you do.

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Thanks Rob, that's a fair take on it...
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