New 52 Alan Scott is gay.

[bob281]

What I see is a money making tool for DC and Marvel.Why not start a classic line.Written and drawn by old school writers and artist.So many old fans are pissed off with both companies it could be a cash cow.Get Marv Wolfman Steve Englehart John Byrne Jim Starlin and others and just let them go crazy on classic versions of the characters.

[Mwynn]

Originally Posted by bob281

What I see is a money making tool for DC and Marvel.Why not start a classic line.Written and drawn by old school writers and artist.So many old fans are pissed off with both companies it could be a cash cow.Get Marv Wolfman Steve Englehart John Byrne Jim Starlin and others and just let them go crazy on classic versions of the characters.

Why would they continue beating their heads against the wall. Clearly the majority of readers were not interested in those stories. When they were doing them the sales were down. The New 52 has been a serious shot in the arm for the sales charts, why would they go backwards?

[L Jamal]

Originally Posted by Mwynn

Why would they go backwards?

For Frank

[Troy Wall]

DC may need to take baby steps in turning A-listers like Superman gay. Set him up by discovering he's attracted to another dude's ass, but also still attracted to Lois. Have him be bisexual at first, sandwiching between Lois and Jimmy/Perry whoever. Then slowly ween him off Lois and have him go FGE.

[yellowphantom]

I might start a shit-storm for myself buuuuut.....personally I'm enjoying some of the new 52 especially Batman and Batman and Robin..and for me that's pretty weird because I haven't read Batman on any kind of regular basis since the 80's. As for Action Comics...ditto...the last Supes I read was Earth One.
I'll admit Justice League is pretty shitty and I gave up on Swamp Thing and Animal Man after 2 issues...(especially after they revealed that Swampy is Horticulturalsexual)

[Justice41]

Originally Posted by Troy Wall

DC may need to take baby steps in turning A-listers like Superman gay. Set him up by discovering he's attracted to another dude's ass, but also still attracted to Lois. Have him be bisexual at first, sandwiching between Lois and Jimmy/Perry whoever. Then slowly ween him off Lois and have him go FGE.

No such thing as a bisexual Male, There aint no coming back after slobbing the knob.

[Troy Wall]

Originally Posted by Justice41

No such thing as a bisexual Male, There aint no coming back after slobbing the knob.

I agree. That's why after he started screwing dudes he'd eventually just go full gay effect and drop Lois. But readers would need to be eased into the transition by having Superman still bone Lois for at least a little while.

[Scott F]

what bugs me about this whole Alan Scott gay thing is the following...

1) News shows saying he is the first gay DC superhero, nearly wanted to spam abc news dept with Batwoman comics. Apparently lesbians aren't current enough or empowering to the gay movement as gay male characters and should be treated as if they don't exist. There are multiple lesbian dc characters but lesbians don't count as gay in news coverage or public relations unless it's Wonderwoman and Artemis as lovers. Sadly that would be an A-lister and her supporting cast in a plausible situation given their background in new and old continuity so that absolutely would never happen.

2) it was only done after total universe relaunch that already flipped a middle finger in the faces of decades worth of readers by undoing the continuity of every beloved character under their label.

3) DC never did these risks with characters people were emotionally invested and it is for shock value. During infinite crisis and amazons attack they could have had Wondergirl have a lesbian fling while Cassie was mourning Conner. There could have even been a love triangle where Kara mistakes Cassie's grief for love and Cassie feels guilt not just for the Tim Drake relationship but for using Kara. Emotionally relevant to readers and socially relevant. Which means it never happened. No one with a Kryptonian shield or amazonian bracelets can be gay unless they are non powered supporting characters. Even in the 80s up until the reboot they could have said Hal Jordan, Black Canary, and Green Arrow experimented with the swinger lifestyle during their crime fighting road trip days. Again never happened. Instead they introduce a new Wildstorm reject green lantern knock off actual marketed as a reboot and make him gay.

4) Wildstorm and Malibu comics were bad 90s comic labels printing knock offs of marvel and dc characters juiced up and dumbed down. Marvel bought Malibu and wisely closed it down when it got too unoriginal and mindless. DC bought Wildstorm and merged it with their mainstream continuity.

5) DCs new 52 is heroes reborn version 2 done by editors and marketing advisers who think 90s retro sells rather than accept that they are just cramming the worst parts of the decade into every book they publish and worst of all they aren't going to end it anytime soon or even discussing bringing back the beloved icons of multiple generations.

6) If the other Alan Scott and his DC universe was printed as an alternative for readers this story wouldn't have been a headline in some papers of made any evening news shows.

[SuperMonkey]

I simply do not care. If DC had the reboot thing right on principle, and only fucked up in this department, maybe I'd give enough of a shit to bitch about it. But this whole thing was flawed from the beginning. The fundamental problem, according to myself and everyone I've talked to, was that DC did not commit to an actual reboot. The books that had been consistently selling well (Batman, Green Lantern, etc.) remained untouched while other things were completely turned on their heads. Poor editorial oversight led to books contradicting each other, and sometimes themselves (Superboy, Teen Titans, and Red Hood being the worst cases).

If DC wanted to accomplish something other than just fucking up continuity even further and making Beast Boy red, they needed to call it a complete reboot. And they didn't do that. Instead they left Batman untouched, having trained six Robins in a space of five years, and left themselves a clever out by getting all meta in Legion Lost (which was cleverly lifted from Alan Moore's Twilight of the Superheroes, by the way) in case sales started to dip. Their heart isn't in it. They didn't go big, so they might as well go home for all I care.

[Mwynn]

Originally Posted by Scott F

what bugs me about this whole Alan Scott gay thing is the following...

1) News shows saying he is the first gay DC superhero, nearly wanted to spam abc news dept with Batwoman comics. Apparently lesbians aren't current enough or empowering to the gay movement as gay male characters and should be treated as if they don't exist. There are multiple lesbian dc characters but lesbians don't count as gay in news coverage or public relations unless it's Wonderwoman and Artemis as lovers. Sadly that would be an A-lister and her supporting cast in a plausible situation given their background in new and old continuity so that absolutely would never happen.

2) it was only done after total universe relaunch that already flipped a middle finger in the faces of decades worth of readers by undoing the continuity of every beloved character under their label.

3) DC never did these risks with characters people were emotionally invested and it is for shock value. During infinite crisis and amazons attack they could have had Wondergirl have a lesbian fling while Cassie was mourning Conner. There could have even been a love triangle where Kara mistakes Cassie's grief for love and Cassie feels guilt not just for the Tim Drake relationship but for using Kara. Emotionally relevant to readers and socially relevant. Which means it never happened. No one with a Kryptonian shield or amazonian bracelets can be gay unless they are non powered supporting characters. Even in the 80s up until the reboot they could have said Hal Jordan, Black Canary, and Green Arrow experimented with the swinger lifestyle during their crime fighting road trip days. Again never happened. Instead they introduce a new Wildstorm reject green lantern knock off actual marketed as a reboot and make him gay.

4) Wildstorm and Malibu comics were bad 90s comic labels printing knock offs of marvel and dc characters juiced up and dumbed down. Marvel bought Malibu and wisely closed it down when it got too unoriginal and mindless. DC bought Wildstorm and merged it with their mainstream continuity.

5) DCs new 52 is heroes reborn version 2 done by editors and marketing advisers who think 90s retro sells rather than accept that they are just cramming the worst parts of the decade into every book they publish and worst of all they aren't going to end it anytime soon or even discussing bringing back the beloved icons of multiple generations.

6) If the other Alan Scott and his DC universe was printed as an alternative for readers this story wouldn't have been a headline in some papers of made any evening news shows.

2. Again with Continuity stuff. There is no such thing as continuity in DC comics.

4. No 100% of the time. Wildstorm had many great books. The Authority, Wildcats, Backlash, Team 7, Gen-13, and many more.

5. Why would they the sales were down when they were doing icon characters. The sales are now up. Stop living in the world of nostalgia. Dc is a business, they need to make money. Not put out books that don't sale to cater to people who cannot accept change.

[Paul Sanderson]

Sales are pretty much where they were before, by and large. Sales are not up across the board. The 'New 52' has been a monumental failure!