The Matrix

[Mwynn]

Revisiting that old thread that is no longer in the archive.

The Matrix is a solid stand alone film. When the credits roll there is a feeling of completion and hope. Things are not the same as they were when the movie started. That is a good thing right? Not in Hollywood, you see things that are good or make money need to be milked. The Matrix cow is filled with milk, even if it is old and stale and smells bad.

The Matrix Reloaded picks up were the Matrix left off, yet we seem to be missing someone. Yep popular movie makes people want more cash, so axe one actor.
Problems start off early with this movie.

1. They could not come up with a villian, so they recycle one from the previous movie. To make him more dangerous he is now uber and can duplicate himself.

2. New characters are thrown into the mix, without any explanation. Merovigian is one.

3. Vampires and Werewolves?? What movie is this again.

4. Horrible Cgi, or am I playing a video game.

5. The story of the movie is connected by fight scenes.

6. Fishburne should have stopped on the fatty foods or got into the gym.

7. That speech given by the Architect was over the top and not needed

The Matrix Reloaded does not work, because it plays like there were to many hands in the pot. Way to many ideas were being presented. To make it worse the movie ends on a cliffhanger.

The Matrix Revolutions gets the brunt of the grief, because it follows a bad movie and does not clean up the mess. It does not answer any questions and posses more to the viewer. Instead of giving depth to characters introduced in the previous movie, more are introduced. The movie then leads into territory we have been to, with a fight we have already seen. This movie also ends on a cliffhanger.

Yet it does not end there. The only way to truly understand these movies, is to read up on every reference they use. You then have to watch another DVD (Animatrix) and play a game (Enter the Matrix) to get the full story. Yet it does not end there the story continues in comics, novels and the Matrix online game.

All this from something that should have had one movie and been done with it.

Also someone should have told Fishburne he was a fat slob.

[Jasen Smith]

Did you play the games?
Did you read the comics?
Did you watch the Animatrix?

Its marketing and yes it sucks...BUT if you bought into it and were not entertained then it doesnt matter to Hollywood...they got paid.

The same can be said about Star Wars and Star Trek. The only difference is the Matrix died early.

I hated the 3rd movie and the 2nd one was bad but I can still watch it.

After the first one it seemed to looses the techno philosphy the first one had.

If it did have the philosophy in them then we'd probally be saying they were repeated the same movie again.

It seems hard to make a good trilogy because by the 3rd you have already made a good movie, told the story of the characters, and had great action.

[Moonrider]

I don't think they lose the 'techno philosophy' as you call it in the sequels, instead we were given too much of it. They expand the original premise and tried to turn it into a more metaphysical theological whatever-ism concept and the result is not only mind-boggling but almost impossible to grasp.
The first one is based on a simple question about reality, the second and third question the very concept of Godhood which I felt is quite a stretch for an anime-wannabe flick.

[Nitecrawlah2]

I will never forgive the second part for its ending. Two and three could have been one great movie, instead of two chopped up adequate sequels.

[Buckyrig]

The first movie told geeks that they were secretly the coolest people on Earth. The second movie told them that they were really just another level of dupes and as big - if not bigger - bunch of saps as everyone else.

I think viewers were offended that the movies climbed off their jock and slapped them in the face with a rubber chicken.

[spider]

Originally Posted by Mwynn

Revisiting that old thread that is no longer in the archive.

The Matrix is a solid stand alone film. When the credits roll there is a feeling of completion and hope. Things are not the same as they were when the movie started. That is a good thing right? Not in Hollywood, you see things that are good or make money need to be milked. The Matrix cow is filled with milk, even if it is old and stale and smells bad.

Well first off, I enjoyed the original.

The Matrix Reloaded picks up were the Matrix left off, yet we seem to be missing someone. Yep popular movie makes people want more cash, so axe one actor.
Problems start off early with this movie.

Who did they axe? I don't remember.

1. They could not come up with a villian, so they recycle one from the previous movie. To make him more dangerous he is now uber and can duplicate himself.

Yeah I too thought that was lame and the villian could have been played by someone else quite easily.

2. New characters are thrown into the mix, without any explanation. Merovigian is one.

It's cross media, you need to watch the extra's, buy the soda, use the condoms etc to understand it. I know, lame.

3. Vampires and Werewolves?? What movie is this again.

I must've missed this, or don't remember.

4. Horrible Cgi, or am I playing a video game.

Yeah the CGI has been parodied several times if thats any indication of how bad it is.

5. The story of the movie is connected by fight scenes.

It would work too if the storyline wasn't so involved.

6. Fishburne should have stopped on the fatty foods or got into the gym.

Well if you say so, I don't remember that either.

7. That speech given by the Architect was over the top and not needed

Is that the guy in the white suit surrounded by TVs?
Cause that was unintentionally hilarious.

The Matrix Reloaded does not work, because it plays like there were to many hands in the pot. Way to many ideas were being presented. To make it worse the movie ends on a cliffhanger.

Again with the cross media, did you use the toothbrush and eat the crappy candy?

The Matrix Revolutions gets the brunt of the grief, because it follows a bad movie and does not clean up the mess. It does not answer any questions and posses more to the viewer. Instead of giving depth to characters introduced in the previous movie, more are introduced. The movie then leads into territory we have been to, with a fight we have already seen. This movie also ends on a cliffhanger.

I think the ending was left open to interpretation.

Yet it does not end there. The only way to truly understand these movies, is to read up on every reference they use. You then have to watch another DVD (Animatrix) and play a game (Enter the Matrix) to get the full story. Yet it does not end there the story continues in comics, novels and the Matrix online game.

The Animatrix was good though, if the Matrix was just the original movie and this it would've worked okay.

I'm getting deja vu, didn't I quote everything you said before?

[midknight]

Fishburne looked like he ate the Matrix

[Mwynn]

Quoting Spider.

Between the Matrix movies Fishburne made Biker boys, he is wearing a girdle in that movie. His gut gets bigger with each movie. They cut Tank. He had an off screen death, because he asked for more money.

The Merovigians programs were Werewolves and Vampires. The one that Persphone shot had fangs. You get to fight them in Enter The Matrix, you have to use a stake.

Originally Posted by misteraxis

The same can be said about Star Wars and Star Trek. The only difference is the Matrix died early.

Star Wars and Star Trek are still self contained universes. To the point where the novels, games, and comics are not canon to the movies and tv shows. Yet when it does happen as with the Clone Wars, you do not have to watch it to get the movies. With the Matrix the movies do not contain the entire story. It maybe cross promotion, yet I have never seen it done to this level. The Matrix is not dead the Matrix online is still active.

[bassturd]

Originally Posted by spider

Who did they axe? I don't remember.


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humm only person I remeber not being in the movie again was the old lady that lets kids play with spoons. But she wasn't axed....she died so they had to replace her.

[Mike225]

Originally Posted by bassturd

humm only person I remeber not being in the movie again was the old lady that lets kids play with spoons. But she wasn't axed....she died so they had to replace her.

It was Tank!

[bassturd]

Originally Posted by Mike225

It was Tank!

hummm I thought he died. Or was he just wounded bad.

But regardless, they replaced him with a better actor IMO if so. That guy from Lost. I don't watch Lost but I luved him in 28 Weeks Later as the helicopter pilot.

[Nitecrawlah2]

Originally Posted by bassturd

hummm I thought he died. Or was he just wounded bad.

But regardless, they replaced him with a better actor IMO if so. That guy from Lost. I don't watch Lost but I luved him in 28 Weeks Later as the helicopter pilot.

I thought he played Link?

[Moonrider]

Originally Posted by spider

I think the ending was left open to interpretation.

What else is there to interpret? Neo made a pact with the machines to defeat Agent Smith and in return the war stop.

[Mike225]

I think the question was, "How long would the pact last?" The answer to that question is, "Until the humans asked for their babies back."

[Mwynn]

Originally Posted by Moonrider

What else is there to interpret? Neo made a pact with the machines to defeat Agent Smith and in return the war stop.

The Matrix Online continues the story.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Matrix_Online

The Race For The One

The first major event to occur in The Matrix Online was a "race" between the three organizations to gather Neo's RSI fragments. The organization that collected the most in a week received a defense bonus. Different organizations won on different servers.

Shapers were found that could manipulate the RSI fragments into the shape of Neo's mental projection. Unfortunately some shapers were captured by a fourth party (believed to be the General). Those shapers were forced to create super-Agents which the organizations worked together to defeat. Morpheus has also complained that the physical remains of Neo were never returned to Zion from the Machine City (Zero One), yet cryptically, the Machines have said that they did not recycle Neo's remains either.

Red-eyed Agents

The second major event a week later was the appearance of Agents with glowing red eyes. These Agents appeared mysteriously and began attacking all humans, including those allied with the Machines. None of the three factions claimed to be controlling the red eyed Agents, and some believe they serve a new fourth organization. They attacked anyone with an RSI code fragment ("contraband fragments") or anyone attempting to defend them.

Later, a message from the Oracle indicated that "intruders" angered by the Truce are behind this, and that somehow Neo split himself up into fragments within the Matrix knowing that it was needed for the future. However, the only way to put Neo's code back together is with the help of programs known as Shapers. Fighting then broke out between the factions for control of Shapers, leading to the Red Eyed Agents capturing a Shaper in the confusion, which allowed them to create a new breed of red eyed agents: "N30 Ag3nts". Soon Niobe sent a message to players to fight the menace along with a new wave of agents which bore a strong resemblance to Neo.

Nightfall

The third major event, Nightfall, began with the kidnapping of two important leaders from vampire-like and werewolf-like Exiles gangs (the Blood-drinkers and the Lupines, respectively). It was soon revealed that Malphas and his Lupine counterpart Ookami had not been kidnapped at all, but were hiding from the Merovingian. Upon returning, they led a revolt of both gangs against the Merovingian's domination of all Exiles, attempting to rally many humans to their cause. However, while Malphas was absent his subordinate, Invalesco, attempted an underhanded power grab against him, promising to turn humans that joined him into immortal 'vampires' with his source code. He was unsuccessful: upon Malphas's return, Invalesco was hunted down and killed. Amidst this infighting, the Merovingian was able to defeat the uprising and capture Malphas and Ookami. Subjected to torture in the Frenchman's Chateau, they were (for now at least) bent back to his service out of fear, and the attacks ended.