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Old 03-31-2013, 10:12 PM   #49
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Originally Posted by Screwtape Jenkins View Post
To be clear, Renae, and no offense intended, but I'm not talking about well-established professionals like you and the people you mentioned. I'm talking about downright FAMOUS comics creators. People who write two or three DC, Marvel, or Image titles a month. There's only 20-25 of those people on the planet. One such name was mentioned in this thread, and the thought of a name that big on kickstarter makes me upset.

And whatever trials or hardships a truly famous comic book creator might have getting a creator-owned book made, you can multiply that for the unknown creator by a thousand. The type of people I'm talking about can pick up a phone and any editor in the business will give their pitch serious consideration. Whereas a guy like me has to hope an editor doesn't immediately throw my submission in the trash.

Even if a full-time comic writer (and this point is specific to writers) isn't rich with money they're rich with time, contacts, networks, and access. Even if you write 3 comics a month, that doesn't come close to the time commitment of most normal full-time jobs. And such a person would know tons of working professionals and their name is enough to entice very talented people to be willing to collaborate with them. If schlubs like me can find talented people willing to work for back-end pay, why can't one of the most famous comic book creators in the world do the same?

I'll trade places with any of those guys any day. I'll take their contacts and their networks and their access and the power of their name, and in exchange they can hoard all the kickstarter dollars they can muster without those things. And we'll see who gets a project done first.

At at the end of the day, the kind of people I'm talking about ought to be, if not rich, then more than capable of financing production costs on a comic book. Much more capable than most unknown people. If you've been in the business for 20 years and have been working for the big boys the whole time on books that sell and you can't even cover production costs on a creator-owned comic, then something's very wrong.

Don't worry, you're not offending me! I like you, and I appreciate the discussion!

Maybe we just disagree, and that's okay. I feel that if a creator of ANY status has a legitimate need for Kickstarter (which in my mind would be a funding need, or creative freedom and control away from the publisher), then it's okay to use it. Creative Freedom was a HUGE aspect for me with Peter Pan. There was no other option to get the book made the way I meant it to be unless I did a Kickstarter. I feel if a guy has been working 20 years at a comic publisher, and has no means to get his book made (despite having connections and being considered), he should not be looked down upon for using KS just because he has contacts (which as a side note, he probably earned from years of work in the industry).

If there comes a day when only big names are getting funded, and the little guys are not, then I'd be right with you championing to that the big guys make room for those who need it most. But right now 1 in 2 KS comics get funded, and that includes MANY people who are newcomers.

And it leads me to ask you out of genuine curiosity, what is it that holds you personally back from going to Kickstarter NOW with your project? I know you said that you could do it yourself over time, but I personally feel for you, KS would make it so much better for you especially in the way that you would depend FAR less on a Publishers whim and if they want your book or not.
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