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DannoE
06-01-2006, 01:30 PM
I don't know how many of you will remember this or will have read enough to where this will make any sense at all, but here is the start to Issue 3 of Green Mountain Gunslinger.

This week, I've worked on this a bunch, trying to figure out how to set the stage quickly without having it seem like it's going quickly. C&C is welcome, encouraged, and definitely needed. I struggle with setting in my prose. I'd like to see if you think that's an issue here.

Thanks.

PROSE INTRO – PAGE 1

“How’s your friend?”

I looked over to see Captain Taylor Montgomery standing there looking as collected and as dapper as ever. We’d been his “guests” for more than two weeks at that point, so you’d think I’d have gotten used to it, but I hadn’t. Possessed of an easy self-assurance that I might have found attractive under other circumstances, after two days of close quarters on an old-time steam train, Montgomery seemed the like the most arrogant prick on face of the Earth.

“He’s hurting, and your medic won’t release any more pain meds,” I said, “but it looks like he’ll live. Next time, tell your trigger-happy side-kick to fire longer bursts if you’d rather not deal with prisoners.”

“You’re not--”

“Save it,” I said, not wanting to be corrected again by my erstwhile “host.” “If I’m not a prisoner, then why am I still in handcuffs?” I held up the cuffs to emphasize my point. I could see immediately that I’d finally gotten a rise out of him.

“You shot my XO!” he bellowed. “Then you tried to kill me! And now you won’t answer any of my questions or tell me anything about yourself… What do you want from me?

“Honestly Ms. Blackstone,” he said, falling back into his professional voice, “You’re lucky I didn’t have you gagged and shackled. Or maybe that’s what you’d prefer?”

“Hmph,” I said, “I think it’s what you’d prefer. But I’m not here to indulge your sick fantasies, no matter what you may think.” With that, I spun around, flipping my hair so that it slapped the good captain square in the face. I was glad he couldn’t see me smile as I walked away.

[The image here is of Carrie walking away from Taylor. She’s got a sly smile on her face. He’s standing in dumb shock, trying to figure out whether he loves her or wants to kill her.]



PAGES 2-3 – X PANELS
Note: I haven't planned the page-break here yet.

LTC Flaherty is standing at an easy position of parade rest. He’s in General Norton’s office back in Nashville. Norton is seated behind his desk. He’s reading a file. If we can see it, Taylor’s picture is paper clipped to the outside of the file.

GN: Montgomery’s record is impressive. Silver Star at the Battle of Dothan, Purple Heart in the Florida Campaign… Hell, he was even in the Long March. He must’a been what? Twelve years old back then?

LTC F: He was fifteen, sir. His father was stationed in Taipei with the Foreign Service when the 18th Airborne Corps landed. Taylor enlisted in 2015 when President Moorehouse started accepting local recruits.

GN: Oh yeah… I remember that. What a cluster! Still, it was probably the only good way we had to get the ex-pats home.

GN looks up.

GN: So tell me… When do you think Taylor lost his objectivity?
LTC F: Sir?

GN taps the report.

GN: He’s gone native, colonel. His reports start out cautious, but as he’s gotten close to the Green Mountain people, he’s quit seeing them as a threat. He makes that pretty clear in his report.

LTC F: I don’t think that’s fair, sir. Captain Montgomery is—

GN: I’m not criticizing him, Hal. He’s done his duty. He scouted the area, and he got his prisoners back to Nashville, safe and sound. What more can you ask from a cavalryman?
(link)
GN: If anything, his personal relationships are an asset here.

LTC F: I’m afraid I don’t understand, sir.


GN stands and gestures with one hand.

GN: Look… if these people really were after nuclear technology, then we can be damn sure that they aren’t going to tell us about it, at least not voluntarily. But I’d rather not torture them if we don’t have to. So all I’m sayin’ is, let’s let nature take its course.
(link)
GN: Keep Taylor with these people. Give him a few days leave and tell him to show these fine folk around our fair city. God knows he’s earned some time off. It should be fun.
(link)
GN: We’ll let him earn their trust and then see what he learns.



PAGES 4-5 AND MAYBE 6 – X PANELS
This is a new scene, tentatively planned for 3 pages. I HAVE planned the page breaks. Using the above format is my signal to myself that this is where the scene-change occurs. That tells me that I need to actually think through the page-breaks and transitions here when I do the layouts.

This next scene takes place on the train coming back into Nashville. I want to make the point that Nashville still LOOKS like America. It is therefore a site that Eric hasn’t seen in two decades and that Jack and Carrie have effectively NEVER seen.

Taylor: Welcome to Nashville, the new capital of the Republic!

Eric (small): Wow. I don’t believe it.

Carrie: It’s so…

Jack: Yeah.

E: It actually looks like America.

Eric gets a little misty and choked up.

E: I’m sorry Captain, it’s just… I never thought I’d see this again in my lifetime.

Eric is now openly crying. Taylor puts his hand on Eric’s shoulder.

E: We thought this was gone.

T: It’s okay, Eric. Happens to everyone who’s old enough to remember the way things were.

J: Captain, can you… tell us what happened? I mean, I think it’s clear now that you’re the enemy here. You gotta understand, we had no idea this was even—

This next line is gonna make Carrie frown.

T: It’s okay, Jack. You’re not the first long lost civilians I’ve ever rescued.


PAGE 5 – SPLASH PAGE
Same scene, here's the page break. And again, here is a spot where I was tempted to transition back to prose (so far I've had one of these per issue, at this point by design). So I've tentatively planned this speech for its own page with the idea that we'll use a collage of images to embellish a story that I am essentially "telling" here rather than "showing." To "show" this part would add A LOT of sequential pages that aren't in the budget here.

Long story by Taylor. We may have to break this out a little differently, or possibly give it a splash page montage with the events of the war surrounding his talking head.

T: There was a war with China. I won’t bore you with the details, but the long and the short of it is that Taiwan declared independence, and we backed their claim. The PRC launched nukes when one of our carrier groups breached their territorial waters. It started as a small, tactical strike but escalated and… well, I imagine you know the rest as well as I do.

T: General Moorehouse – now President Moorehouse - was in command of our forces over there. It took him three years to negotiate a ceasefire after the fighting stopped, and then it took another two years for us to get home. Meanwhile things back here were falling apart.

T: We’re only now just starting to get it back together again. We’d have come for you sooner, but honestly, we didn’t know that anyone in New England survived.


PAGE 6 – X PANELS
Same scene. Here's the page break. Here we transition back to normal sequential storytelling. Also, there is a page-turner from Page 5 to 6. That's by design.

Two-shot of Taylor and Carrie. Carrie is still frowning. Of the group, she’s the only one not immediately in love with the idea of America.

T: Putting this country back together hasn’t been as easy as we might have hoped it would be.

C: Maybe that’s because you shoot first and ask question later.

Eric is disappointed. Taylor is actually hurt and really starting to lose his patience.

E: Carrie…

T: Gimma a ****ing break! You were surrounded by RADCANs!

Now we can see that Taylor’s feelings were hurt.

T: Between the RADCANs and the cultists and the gang bangers and all the rest, we’ve had to learn to be careful. Is that really so hard to understand?

And here's the new pin-up:

http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b209/DannoE/Pinup3.jpg

I hope the EDITS help.

Lewis
06-04-2006, 07:49 PM
Your dialogue flows smoothly and naturally. However, I was confused with your page breakdown as it seems you have two page fives and two page sixes.

I'm not familiar with the story but I liked what I read. Could you explain how Page 1 is to be broken down a litlle more. Is it a Splash Page kind of thing or multiple panels or does it not have any artwork? Sorry if I'm just too dumb to get it. . . :huh:

Again, loved the dialogue. Made the characters seem real.

DannoE
06-04-2006, 08:56 PM
Your dialogue flows smoothly and naturally. However, I was confused with your page breakdown as it seems you have two page fives and two page sixes.

I'm not familiar with the story but I liked what I read. Could you explain how Page 1 is to be broken down a litlle more. Is it a Splash Page kind of thing or multiple panels or does it not have any artwork? Sorry if I'm just too dumb to get it. . . :huh:

Again, loved the dialogue. Made the characters seem real.
Thanks Lewis. This is a rough. I usually write the story first, based largely around the dialogue, and then I go back through and do panel/page breakdowns. I do the same thing when I write prose, but it's different process to get to what we might think of as the final prose breakdowns.

Anyway, at this point I haven't even attempted to do the real layouts yet, beyond making some notes to myself about where the page breaks should tentatively go. So far, that has confused everyone, and bottom line, I shouldn't have posted this in this format. Does that make any sense? There is only one Page 5 and one Page 6, but I didn't decide where to do the page breaks until I had already started doing it. I'll edit it now. Maybe that will help.

The overall concept here is a prose/comics mix. In the first two issues, I spent a page or two establishing the setting in prose since this was easier and more efficient than trying to do the same thing with sequential art. Overall, I saved at least an entire issue that way, and that's important in the small press. I "told" that part rather than "showing" it. By Issue 3, I felt like the overarching setting was established, so I don't know that I actually needed the prose intro, but I was worried about my page count. I originally planned to do that first scene as sequential art, but in panels it was at least two pages and probably three. Here it runs about a half page with a nice pin-up. That made more sense to me because it's a dialogue driven scene anyway. Since it's about what you "hear," it works more effectively in prose IMO. Had it been about what you saw, I'd have done it in panels.

EDITS are in RED.

Scribe
06-04-2006, 10:53 PM
I think using prose instead of panels can be a good thing but I think you're under using it a little bit. There's enough space on a comic page to tell a decent length short story and I think you could move even more exposition to short story and save on panel space.

I think if your space conscious Page Five could really go. I don't think it adds anything to the story and with these post-apocalyptic stories I don't think the how or why matters so much as that it did. I think it would work better for you to keep your readers in the dark as to what happened because you can kick your story going faster and add a level of mystery

Admittedly I don't know your plan but I don't see why pages four, five and possibly six couldn't open the book. It’s a good opening, it’s visual and establishes a lot without saying too much.

DannoE
06-05-2006, 07:58 AM
I think using prose instead of panels can be a good thing but I think you're under using it a little bit. There's enough space on a comic page to tell a decent length short story and I think you could move even more exposition to short story and save on panel space.

I think if your space conscious Page Five could really go. I don't think it adds anything to the story and with these post-apocalyptic stories I don't think the how or why matters so much as that it did. I think it would work better for you to keep your readers in the dark as to what happened because you can kick your story going faster and add a level of mystery.
You might be right. I wanted to set something up for later in the issue with these first two scenes while telling a little backstory (this is Issue 3, so by now, the backstory is a long time coming). But you might be right. As I was working on this, I thought it seemed in character to have Jack ask this question now, with the idea that his asking signals that they've started to trust Taylor. That trust is important (obviously).

That said, this may not be the final execution of the idea. I played with exactly what you suggested but ultimately went with what I have because I wanted to end the prose on the flirtation.

Admittedly I don't know your plan but I don't see why pages four, five and possibly six couldn't open the book. It’s a good opening, it’s visual and establishes a lot without saying too much.
Let's come back to that. My first thought was to open on Page 4 as a splash of Nashville still looking like a modern city. That still might happen. Again, I want to see how my page-count and pacing look when I finish the rough draft. But my thinking right now is that this first scene is good to set the stage for the issue's conflict.

Thanks.

Selko
06-09-2006, 12:45 PM
Dan you got links to the first two episodes? I have missed a few things Heh.

DannoE
06-09-2006, 12:54 PM
Hey Selko! How's life?

Let me apologize in advance for how much reading this is. But... You asked for it:

One Page Pitch (http://www.uggabugga.net/forum/showthread.php?t=800)

Issue 1 (http://www.proletariatcomics.com/working/GMG/Green%20Mountain%20Gunslinger%20-%20Script.htm) is 28 pages.

Issue 2 (http://www.proletariatcomics.com/working/GMG/Green%20Mountain%20Gunslinger%20-%20Issue%202%20Script.htm) is 23.

The Princess and the Trader (http://www.proletariatcomics.com/working/GMG/Green%20Mountain%20Gunslinger%20-%20Princess%20and%20Trader.htm) is a 6-page short story intro I was working on when the artist and I started talking about changing it up. Ultimately, we decided to stay with what we had, but I might have used this as Issue 1 if this were an unlimited series.

Enjoy!

Selko
06-09-2006, 01:23 PM
No worries, I was lost when I went through part three. Just wanted to catch the whole story.

Life is pretty good, had some adventures here out in town. Got extended here for another year so all the prep I did to go home was for naught. I have been working on too many stories to keep up so I just kinda put it all down for a while and decided to get out and about.

Back to writing now, SO... on tap I got

The Living Coffee Beans (IE Barblesnarfians)
Zed the Intergalactic Pygmy Raptor and Jim (My personal favorite)
The Fire Maiden (fantasy story, and working title)
Crusader's Tale (another fantasy piece about a dying mans hallucinations on a parched battlefield)

Enough bout me back to your story then.

Selko
06-10-2006, 09:28 AM
Dan, this is good. I especially liked the intro into part one, its more than enough to grab the readers attention. Overall very well done your writing gets better with each piece I read.

I would have to give some thought to critting this about the only part I thought didn't fit was the scene with King John. Not sure why I will think on it and tell you when I figure it out.

DannoE
06-12-2006, 09:18 AM
Dan, this is good. I especially liked the intro into part one, its more than enough to grab the readers attention. Overall very well done your writing gets better with each piece I read.

I would have to give some thought to critting this about the only part I thought didn't fit was the scene with King John. Not sure why I will think on it and tell you when I figure it out.
Thanks Selko. Lots of folks have had a little issue there. I tried to get to it a bit in Issue 2, but I can understand that it's hard to get your mind around. On the other hand, it's also central to the story, so hopefully it'll make more sense as we go along.

And on another note, I think I'm gonna have to make this 5 issues because I'm just not where I need to be right now in mid-issue 3. There's too much going on, and I don't want to end at break-neck speed.

kamikaze
06-12-2006, 11:31 PM
hey Dannoe, I did enjoy the read (had to take my time and read it) but it had a good flow to it. I'd have to agree with the majority on the pages and such. Besides that, I feel it works. Keep it up

DannoE
06-13-2006, 11:19 AM
Thanks! What do you mean about the pages? You had trouble following the page breaks and layouts?

kamikaze
06-13-2006, 04:15 PM
it was the type where I had to read it again to make sure I had it right

Selko
06-14-2006, 11:01 AM
Dan it's not the issue with a king in America, I read the Ugga Bugga board. I think that it would be quite likely a feudal system would rise in the aftermath of such a cataclysm. Even here in our so democratic society. To be honest a good leader is hard to come by and people in a small group like that would recognize and follow.

I still can't put my finger on what bugs me about that scene. Maybe introduce him in a a setting distinctly unkingly. Perhaps a building project, I see the well digging scene from "Kingdom of Heaven."

Who know's, but I certainly think you should keep the king in there.

DannoE
06-16-2006, 09:24 AM
Dan it's not the issue with a king in America, I read the Ugga Bugga board. I think that it would be quite likely a feudal system would rise in the aftermath of such a cataclysm. Even here in our so democratic society. To be honest a good leader is hard to come by and people in a small group like that would recognize and follow.

I still can't put my finger on what bugs me about that scene. Maybe introduce him in a a setting distinctly unkingly. Perhaps a building project, I see the well digging scene from "Kingdom of Heaven."

Who know's, but I certainly think you should keep the king in there.
That's an interesting point. With the intro, I was trying to set up the discussion that John has with his daughter, and ironically that devolved into a mess of dialogue crammed into one page. All of that dialogue is important, but I could just as easily set the whole thing outside an electrical transmission substation and have it work out. Gonna have to think about that.

I finished drafting Issue 3 this morning, but I haven't done the layouts. Still, I ended up being able to bring it in with exactly 22 pages, so I'm psyched about that. I thought I was gonna need at least 24.

Anyway, it's not my plan to post any more of this script, but if you want to read it I'll email it. Just PM me and let me know.

Selko
06-17-2006, 08:44 AM
Hehe you know everytime you mention something it gives me ideas and I don't wanna be some asshole idea mentioner guy of doom that criticizes everything. I will PM you my email (unless you still have it) cause heck yeah I wanna read it.

DannoE
06-17-2006, 01:16 PM
Hehe you know everytime you mention something it gives me ideas and I don't wanna be some asshole idea mentioner guy of doom that criticizes everything. I will PM you my email (unless you still have it) cause heck yeah I wanna read it.
Okay, cool. I finished the rough draft of Issue 3 yesterday afternoon and then read it out loud to my wife last night. She ripped it a new ass, which is good because at least now I know where it isn't working. Issue 3 is a sort of a romance, and she had some decided ideas about where my romantic failings are - both as a writer and a husband. LOL.