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JRXTIN
09-25-2016, 05:57 AM
http://orig01.deviantart.net/46cc/f/2016/269/8/1/xtin_reincarrion_cover_by_jrxtin-d96jtdq.jpg

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Here's another try on a comic sequel I've taken a few swings at. The last swing wasn't bad but the readers said my painted pages were not better than my line art. The painted pages take much longer so if they aren't a gain I'll take the extra story please. It had also become clear that the old guru should be the main character, so I'll do a full reboot and it won't take that long to get back to where I was. Well, it wouldn't if I wasn't also doing this side comic for my Patreon people -

http://orig04.deviantart.net/79e8/f/2016/243/3/e/xtin___spider_princess_haki_cover_and_patreon_by_j rxtin-dag0fxq.jpg

I'm currently at five pages on this one but there's a usually a new page every week.

Here is a link to my Patreon - Link (https://www.patreon.com/user?u=512425)

I know everyone is super excited so I've also got a testimonial trailer so you can here other people being excited about XTIN too-



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NUS9POhoHGY

If the video doesn't work here, watch it on YouTube - Link (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NUS9POhoHGY)



But wait, there's more . . .

JRXTIN
09-25-2016, 05:58 AM
XTIN: REINCARRION is the sequel to the completed 230 page graphic novel, XTIN: The Dragon's Dreamworld. XTIN:TDDW is extremely heavy though (of course you know this if you watched the promo video). REINCARRION and Spider Princess Haki will not be this heavy, although later on there may be at least one that is.

Here's a preview -


http://img07.deviantart.net/21ca/i/2016/269/c/c/xtin___the_dragon_s_dreamworld_cover_by_jrxtin-daaagz5.jpg

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JRXTIN
09-25-2016, 05:59 AM
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JRXTIN
09-25-2016, 06:01 AM
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Here's a link XTIN:TDDW on Gumroad (https://gum.co/RasL)

But you can also get it on Patreon (https://www.patreon.com/user?u=512425)

JRXTIN
10-21-2016, 10:59 PM
A few more pages of REINCARRION -

http://orig11.deviantart.net/c339/f/2016/279/6/9/xtin_reincarrion_take_2_pg_4_by_jrxtin-dak2odw.jpg

http://orig13.deviantart.net/37d7/f/2016/285/4/c/xtin_reincarrion_take_2_pg_5_by_jrxtin-daktnqs.jpg

http://orig12.deviantart.net/adc4/f/2016/293/4/b/xtin_reincarrion_take_2_pg_6_by_jrxtin-dalnd3n.jpg

More stuff on Patreon (https://www.patreon.com/user?u=512425)

http://www.topwebcomics.com//images/voteimages/linklogo6.png (http://www.topwebcomics.com/vote/11767)

JRXTIN
11-03-2016, 04:18 AM
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http://www.topwebcomics.com//images/voteimages/linklogo6.png (http://www.topwebcomics.com/vote/11767)

Quick note, XTIN: The Dragon's Dreamworld is no longer available on Gumroad, but can still be acquired through Patreon. (https://www.patreon.com/user?u=512425)

pandayboss
11-13-2016, 12:21 AM
Wowww, amazing!! lot's of movements and actions while no shortage of details. Cool work! :bounce::bounce:

Scribbly
11-17-2016, 12:26 AM
Excellent serious artwork. An a very intricate story. If I were your art agent I would offer this project to some French Publisher, as Dargaud or Glenat.
Sure thing.

JRXTIN
11-18-2016, 02:43 AM
pandayboss - Thanks. It doesn't look like it's going to take though, at least on the internet. I think everyone wants manga instead.

scribbly - Agent? What agent? I'm just another joker.

JRXTIN
01-06-2017, 01:12 PM
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http://orig09.deviantart.net/8602/f/2016/366/c/c/xtin__reincarrion_take_2_pg_11_by_jrxtin-datr280.jpg

I've had to drop my output to a page a month for lack of interest and patrons. Especially patrons, although I've got a few people pulling for me.

BTW I can be hired :p

pandayboss
01-06-2017, 08:59 PM
It's visceral! Amazing work! All the details and movements in each pages are really good. You'll be able to get more work I'm sure. Good luck!

MattTriano
01-08-2017, 01:51 PM
Still no fucking idea what any of it is about but these most recent pages are visually fun, lot of good black and white play. Fine linework, a little overdone in places. Post more!

JRXTIN
01-09-2017, 08:10 PM
I'm working on a paid job ATM, be lucky to get one page a month of XTIN done but maybe this will raise my visibility enough that I can work on XTIN full time later.

JRXTIN
01-31-2017, 10:04 PM
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I'm spending almost all my time on paid work now but I got a couple XTIN pages done this month.

JRXTIN
02-27-2017, 05:48 AM
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Scribbly
03-01-2017, 06:30 AM
I really admire your work. I hope some day you would make a good deal with some important comic's Publisher and get this stuff published and distributed worldwide. :thumbs:

JRXTIN
03-23-2017, 11:19 PM
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Next up is a two page spread, which might go quickly. Then three more to wrap up issue one. I'm considering doing a Kickstarter to fund issue 2, or to bring new readers in. I've been told creators are getting new readers through their Kickstarter campaigns now. I'm going to look into it. I feel like it's a big longshot but, it could work? I'd feel much better if I had thousands of readers, but, I'm up to five Patrons now. That's five more than zero. I've got a little more free time now than before so I'm going to finish this issue as quick as I can and see if anything can be done with Kickstarter. I've got a small freelance job I don't plan on giving up, but it wouldn't take much to get me to where I could spend the rest of the week on XTIN. We'd all rather that happened than not happened, right? Any tips, comments, or suggestions are helpful and appreciated.

About this page - this is the inverse of what I drew, with a few tweaks to make it almost work. On it's own, the other version was better, but it didn't fit with page 16. Hmmm.

Storywise it's meant to be a little mysterious. In the first take on REINCARRION, the guru explains that the dragons manifest the ships. I haven't done that yet in the rewrite. I should know better by now, but I still think it's o.k. to throw out something cool and let it simmer away in the reader's mind for awhile.

If you read the first take on REINCARRION you recognize the silver dragon type (bottom). The other is the first appearance of the green dragon type. Silvers make the Nawa ships, Greens make the Tyrannophainen ships. I put some notes and sketches about the green types on my Patreon, at the $5 donation level, which you can sign up for here - https://www.patreon.com/user?u=512425 Remember, another angel gets its wings everytime a new Patron signs up. Every dog gets an extra year of life too. Spring comes a month earlier and the solar system gains a new planet, so what are you waiting for?


Scribbly - It's distributed worldwide now, what I need is a way to get people to look at it. I've been posting it around but so far it hasn't taken off. I need to try Instagram and Twitter.

JRXTIN
03-25-2017, 12:45 AM
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Who doesn't love a good spaceship explosion? Boom!

JRXTIN
03-25-2017, 05:46 PM
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JRXTIN
03-27-2017, 09:15 PM
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JRXTIN
03-28-2017, 11:37 AM
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JRXTIN
04-02-2017, 12:34 PM
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JRXTIN
04-03-2017, 05:12 PM
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JRXTIN
04-05-2017, 01:20 PM
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Go to XTIN.NET for proper comic navigation.

Patreon - Link (https://www.patreon.com/user?u=512425)

Watch my sweet promotional trailer on YouTube - Link (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NUS9POhoHGY)

Last page for the first issue. The update schedule will go back to a once or twice a month while I figure out what to do with Kickstarter. I've also got to do some minor clean up work on the pages, fixing little errors here and there, and come up with a rear cover image. I'm going to look into POD printing at least a couple books for myself, if not also as a KS award. I also need to consider whether my promo trailer can double as a Kickstarter video. I want to do some 3D for it, but that could turn into weeks of extra work that don't add any value to the Kickstarter.

Bishop
04-05-2017, 02:58 PM
Is the meditating lady supposed to only have four fingers?

JRXTIN
04-08-2017, 02:29 PM
She's supposed to only have three fingers (or two fingers and a thumb) on her left hand. It's a detail I've been forgetting to draw. All of the characters so far should be missing fingers. It's part of a rite-of-passage. If you aren't willing to sacrifice for the tribe, you get kicked out. It's in the first book, which is available on my Patreon. (https://www.patreon.com/xtin) 230 pages of awesome awfulness.

sevans
04-09-2017, 11:31 PM
MY OPINION.....

NO NEED for 3d.
This is a graphic novel, 2d is what you want and expect.
Focus on showing some great and intriguing artwork / panels etc.
Create a suitable atmosphere and go from there.

roboletters
04-10-2017, 08:50 PM
Hey JRXTIN, this comic is mental! Really digging the style and content!
If you are still considering a Kickstarter then this podcast is full of really helpful info about how to do it right http://www.comixlaunch.com/
Also, if you ever find yourself needing a letterer I'd love to be involved in this project! I have a few sample pages online HERE (http://1bdesign.com/comiclettering/TombBustersLetteringTestPages.pdf) and can supply some more samples if you're interested.

JRXTIN
04-14-2017, 10:15 PM
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sevans - Yeah, I'd like to do some 3D but it would take weeks and the trailer I've got should do. Time to get on with it.

roboletters - Thanks for the link, I need to watch all the Kickstarter videos because I know nothing.

I've been doing the lettering. My scripts are super loose, I do the final writing pass on the page.

SimonBullows
04-15-2017, 08:51 AM
I like the art, but for me the story makes zero sense lol, still, good effort!

JRXTIN
04-15-2017, 03:09 PM
Can you follow page 1?

JRXTIN
04-15-2017, 03:14 PM
How about this, can anyone follow page 1?

Scribbly
04-18-2017, 09:57 AM
I like the art, but for me the story makes zero sense lol, still, good effort!
Oh, it does. But you need transmute yourself first in order to get the point.

gizroc2
04-18-2017, 12:49 PM
VERY nice work! I like the graphic quality of the pages: They are rendered beautifully.

gizroc2
04-18-2017, 12:51 PM
Did you draw these digitally? It would certainly lend itself to this style, where it becomes as clean and accurate to work in white as in black!

JRXTIN
04-19-2017, 02:20 AM
gizroc2 - I drew them in GIMP. I've considered going back to traditional art. It's much faster to draw characters but I don't have a speedy trick for handling perspective. Drawing with a vanishing point that is two or three or more feet off the paper doesn't cut it.

JRXTIN
05-03-2017, 08:14 AM
http://orig01.deviantart.net/4302/f/2017/123/6/c/xtin__reincarrion_take_2_issue_2_cover_by_jrxtin-db7yqwe.png

I'll be launching a Kickstarter soon since Patreon has proven unpopular. I've been working on a Kickstarter video and I'm pretty pleased with how it's turning out. I thought it would eat up a lot of time, and it has, but IMO the trailer is doing a better job of capturing the feel of XTIN than the books have. I think it's important to see XTIN move into the film medium, even if it's just a few shots of a corridor in a Kickstarter trailer. It will be a little more than that, but I can create a lot of atmosphere just with sets and music. If I can get REINCARRION funded I may try to do more with video after it is completed. Let's see what's possible.

If there is anything you want as a reward, let me know.

TheRealityComics
05-10-2017, 07:40 PM
The artwork is incredible! And you really get how to layout a page -- and even the captions -- to help take the eye where you want it go. My ONLY suggestion would be that, while your layouts are inCREDibly dynamic, the "camera" angles are very similar from panel to panel. We're pretty much looking forward or from the side. It's a comic, you can move the camera wherever you like. ;]

But really beautiful stuff.

-Keith

JRXTIN
05-12-2017, 12:07 AM
The artwork is incredible! And you really get how to layout a page -- and even the captions -- to help take the eye where you want it go. My ONLY suggestion would be that, while your layouts are inCREDibly dynamic, the "camera" angles are very similar from panel to panel. We're pretty much looking forward or from the side. It's a comic, you can move the camera wherever you like. ;]

But really beautiful stuff.

-Keith

Thanks mate. I've got a book on perspective which disapproves of compositions with odd camera angles. Apparently it's a modern innovation which artists of the distant past would have considered cheap. The author's opinion is that the right way to do it is to keep the viewing angle normal and make the magic happen within the layout of the image. I thought it was silly at the time, but there are lots of good reasons to do it that way. People get lost easy, especially with fantastical works, and I think being mundane with the camera and panelling helps to ground a book which is full of fantastical elements. I don't want this to turn into pop yet, maybe some time in the future. Then things could get more lively.

JRXTIN
05-16-2017, 11:37 PM
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MattTriano
05-18-2017, 08:22 PM
http://orig11.deviantart.net/6212/f/2017/136/6/b/xtin__reincarrion_take_2_issue_2_page_1_by_jrxtin-db9gp5q.jpg

Silver dragons carry warriors on ships. Are the ships on top of the dragons? Where are the dragons on this page?

Ships made from nightmares of past lives...is that nightmarish memories recalled during sleep or nightmares that these people had when they were living past lives? Which past lives or does it not matter?

What are Spasmenos? Are they on this page? How about Tyrannophainen? Sorry if these are obv questions. This page is written concisely so I presume this is a recap of stuff the reader should already know by this point? I say that because it's dense (and a more than a little opaque) if this is new info.

I've commented before on earlier pages, still have the same general crit: I read the captions and dialogue and don't have a clear idea what's going on. Almost Biblical (or otherwise ancient) sensibility -- and that's cool there's nothing wrong with that, Mignola is a scientist when it comes to that voice -- but in these pgs I'm generally confused. It feels like I didn't read the manual before operating a machine I've never seen before. I need a glossary of terms just to read a page. And the meaning of some of it I can't work out at all (eg 'IN ORDER TO ESCAPE SUFFERING, THE BUDDHA CEASED TO EXIST'). That's not Buddhism, no one ceases to exist. What do you mean by that?

Nice drawing, clear and well-staged. Hope you get funding to make the book, be sure to tell us how it goes BTW there may be people here looking to start their own Kickstarters or Patreons who could benefit from your experiences.

Post more!

JRXTIN
05-20-2017, 04:57 PM
Silver dragons carry warriors on ships. Are the ships on top of the dragons?

The ships are dragon lairs. The dragons are inside.



Where are the dragons on this page?

Mina is with the rest of the group. There are no other dragons on this page.


Ships made from nightmares of past lives...is that nightmarish memories recalled during sleep or nightmares that these people had when they were living past lives? Which past lives or does it not matter?

Any nightmare could show up but the exterior of the Nawa ships follow a pattern that suggests their nightmares are mostly about the events of the first book. And/or the silver dragons' nightmares are about that period.



What are Spasmenos? Are they on this page? How about Tyrannophainen?



XTIN really doesn't work as a webcomic. This stuff was in the first issue but months have passed since those pages came out. Anyway, the Tyrannophainen are the bad guys, a Spasmenophant is a Tyrannophainen master of the Body Naguil, which is the system of magic people in this story universe use (covered extensively in the first graphic novel). The Body Naguil gives total control over the human body. Spasmenos is what a Spasmenophant makes out of people. Spasmenophants pull people's tissues apart and use them to make the tentacle monster you've seen (which is an extension of the Spasmenophant's body). The people are still "alive" and conscious, but their cells are distributed through the spasmenos.



Sorry if these are obv questions. This page is written concisely so I presume this is a recap of stuff the reader should already know by this point? I say that because it's dense (and a more than a little opaque) if this is new info.

Webcomics are a lousy way to read comics, or make them.


I've commented before on earlier pages, still have the same general crit: I read the captions and dialogue and don't have a clear idea what's going on. Almost Biblical (or otherwise ancient) sensibility -- and that's cool there's nothing wrong with that, Mignola is a scientist when it comes to that voice -- but in these pgs I'm generally confused. It feels like I didn't read the manual before operating a machine I've never seen before. I need a glossary of terms just to read a page.


The manual is probably the first book - you could get it on my Patreon (https://www.patreon.com/user?u=512425). After that, this is meant for adult readers. You may have to reread previous parts of the story, look stuff up, put two and two together or talk with other people about what it means. I'm influenced by books like Dune, and cryptic music lyrics. For XTIN I think it's good to have things that are mysterious.

And the meaning of some of it I can't work out at all (eg 'IN ORDER TO ESCAPE SUFFERING, THE BUDDHA CEASED TO EXIST'). That's not Buddhism, no one ceases to exist. What do you mean by that?

There are different versions of Buddhism. The XTIN version draws on the Theravedic tradition but within the story some characters believe escaping the cycle of rebirth and suffering means entering a heaven like plane of existance, and others believe it means ceasing to exist.

If I've fundamentally gotten Buddhism wrong after all I've read about it, well, that works too. The character that created the Nawa version of Buddhism had to work out what it had been in the distant past, and wasn't in a sound state of mind when he did it.

JRXTIN
05-28-2017, 05:51 AM
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I tried adding texture to the line art on this one. Do you like it? It blows up the file size which means I've got to compress it more to get under SmackJeeves' file size limit. I tried shading this one but it adds too much to the time. It could be done, but for the time spent there are other things I'd rather have, like the next page sooner. Or more animation. I'm down to touching up shots on the Kickstarter trailer. Just fixing litte things here and there. I've been having problems with swimmies in the shadows. I've been cranking the shadow buffers up to the highest quality settings which runs up the render time. I dunno, I may leave some of them in there. It's not a problem in every shot. Should have this done in a few days. It took more time than I wanted to put into it, but not bad for what it is I think.

MattTriano
05-28-2017, 07:39 PM
Texture in the spot blacks (evident on right side of each pnl) isn't going to be clear to most readers. The ones who see it in this form, because of the repetition, will perhaps think it a mistake or an effect that you've repeated for an unclear purpose. Do you think it works as is? How do you think you would change it to make it work better, if possible?

Your drawing is good. I don't love the current texture, too subtle. One way to move forward: pull back on spot blacks so there's more white on the page -- white you intend to fill up -- with hatching, cross-hatching, grease pencil, spatter, speed lines, fingerprints, drybrush, screentones etc. Use in infinite combinations. Digital equivalents are good and getting better, some scanning may be required. Smaller files, simpler, less work is always the goal.

Use any extra time to play with dialogue, it's the thing I think you need to work on most. Cleaning up what people say so readers aren't getting lost in the new sounds and strange names you're constantly throwing at them. Bryan K Vaughan does a great job of this in SAGA, Neil Gaiman does a great job of this in everything, Alan Moore is a shaman in this regard. Think of how impenetrably dense SANDMAN or WATCHMEN would be without a deft hand introducing radical novelty in a gentle manner. That's your job, I think, in this department.

Can you do me a favor? Could you post a full scene? There are dummies (like me) who might have trouble getting into this content because as I'm seeing it -- two books in and random pages at a time -- the project seems dense and perhaps unwelcoming as a result. Do you have any on-hand examples from this book that really sells the overall idea in a few short pages? Post them.

BTW in a previous post you said you work on gimp but don't love it b/c perspective is hard to do digital (I agree but clip studio has a perspective tool which is dope); said that to say this, most of these pages seem to be set in space or a similar floating void. Can you post pages of your perspectival stuff? I'm sure they're good.

Thanks. Keep going.

JRXTIN
05-30-2017, 11:34 AM
Digital perspective is easy. Traditional perspective is a PITA because the vanishing points are usually feet off the page. Usually at least one anyway. Other than that it's mostly easy. It'd make my head spin if I had to draw a spiral staircase reflected in the water as seen in a mirror, but that doesn't come up every day.

So far it doesn't look like anyone cares for or notices the texture, so I'll drop it.

You can read all of REINCARRION @ xtin.net.

Dialogue hasn't played a big part in this story yet. I've tried writing character driven stories in the past, and that's o.k. too, but this is a big idea story. The characters will talk with each other when the time is right.

MattTriano
05-30-2017, 06:55 PM
Digital perspective is easy. Traditional perspective is a PITA because the vanishing points are usually feet off the page. Usually at least one anyway. Other than that it's mostly easy. It'd make my head spin if I had to draw a spiral staircase reflected in the water as seen in a mirror, but that doesn't come up every day.

So far it doesn't look like anyone cares for or notices the texture, so I'll drop it.

You can read all of REINCARRION @ xtin.net.

Dialogue hasn't played a big part in this story yet. I've tried writing character driven stories in the past, and that's o.k. too, but this is a big idea story. The characters will talk with each other when the time is right.

It seemed to me you were saying the opposite in a prev post.

If your vanishing points are feet off the page for almost any reason, that sounds like a structure issue. I think it's appropriate to re-work your shot in that case to be simpler, clearer; in that regard 1 point perspective is almost always best. John Romita JR is a great wielder of 1 point, John Buscema and Kirby as well.

A 3D modeler like Sketchup or sketchfab.com would also help in that rare spiral staircase reflection moment.

I must tell you the dialogue thing is confusing because A) I didn't say anything about dialogue specifically and B) every page you've posted here has been rich with copy, both speech balloons and captions. If dialogue doesn't play a big part in this story that's gone on for now two volumes, why does it have dialogue at all? Could it be wordless and say the same things? Probably not. Names and places and motives would be lost if you stripped away copy. Are those un-important?

JRXTIN
06-09-2017, 02:19 AM
http://orig14.deviantart.net/e061/f/2017/159/8/5/xtin__reincarrion_take_2_issue_2_page_2_by_jrxtin-dbc1utk.jpg

The Kickstarter video is finally finished. I'm going to look into what else is involved in setting up the Kickstarter and hopefully I'll get it launched soon. This is the first time I've tried Kickstarter so I'm going to pursue a strategy of not asking for much as an initial goal, but having stretch goals available if the interest materializes. The main problems I see are the small size of my existing following, and the rewards structure. I believe the video I've made sells the project well, if you're into the scifi/fantasy/horror genre. As for the reward structure, I'm sure people will want a print book but my goal is to pay for the time to make the rest of REINCARRION. Naturally I'm adverse to offering rewards that eat up all or most or a substantial amount of the funding. What I can do is offer .pdfs of the first GN and the first issue of REINCARRION, and some other related material like the Extinction Level Event comic (a totally different book but it is related). I can also draw people in the comic, put a credit in, that kind of thing. The gist of it is that I'm adverse to creating physical objects until the time to make the rest of the book is paid for. After that it is not such an issue for prints or shirts, but I think the book itself will have to much sex and nudity and gore for a print run. I've read horror stories about printing adult-ish material and I'd rather do digital and put my time into making more XTIN.


MattTriano - I do perspective with the path tool trick all the time.

It's true I could drop down to one point perspective. Even better, I wonder if there's a usb projector out there? Then I could do perspective in GIMP and project it onto the printed page. Something to think about if my pages become valuable.

I've used Blender on overly complicated perspective jobs.

About dialogue you said "Use any extra time to play with dialogue, it's the thing I think you need to work on most."

The first book was mostly villains talking at each other. So far this book has been an action sequence and the guru's inner monologue. It may have some dialogue but it's not going to become a Tarantino movie. Eventually I'll get into it but the story has to want to go there.

MattTriano
06-09-2017, 06:07 PM
http://orig14.deviantart.net/e061/f/2017/159/8/5/xtin__reincarrion_take_2_issue_2_page_2_by_jrxtin-dbc1utk.jpg

I wonder if there's a usb projector out there? Then I could do perspective in GIMP and project it onto the printed page. Something to think about if my pages become valuable.

The first book was mostly villains talking at each other. So far this book has been an action sequence and the guru's inner monologue. It may have some dialogue but it's not going to become a Tarantino movie. Eventually I'll get into it but the story has to want to go there.

I don't know about a usb projector (which would be fun for painters) but you could print penciled or partially-inked pages in blue line and ink traditionally (I color my pages this way using watercolor BTW).

'Mostly villains talking AT each other' sounds hard to read. Is the newest page you've posted from the new book or the first book? Because it's CHOCK FULL of copy -- dialogue in specific -- and it's tough to read, tough to track what people are talking about from page to page.

I mentioned dialogue as an example of copy. Post a scene, I asked. A page like this (above) and a couple more that go together in a row. I asked you to do that so I could get an idea of how you tell a story over pages that are meant to connect, since the pages you post are often single pages that seem from different parts of your story. But you told me that this book doesn't HAVE a lot of copy yet every page you post has copy.

Minus continuity 'I was made to be the least possible dragon that could still be useful' is still a riddle of a sentence. What does it mean?

Sounds like I might have misinterpreted your posts as a request for critique, my apology if that's the case. Are you posting to advertise the books you're doing or to get feedback on the pages?

FYI in pnl 5 of this page you've covered the device your character is holding with his speech balloon, best to move it up into the negative space in rt corner. Cropping hands and objects of attention is always a poor idea.

JRXTIN
06-11-2017, 09:59 AM
Promo video 2 is here - https://youtu.be/ue9szwRxjgE

What do you think? I'd like to make more videos if I can fund the time. This went together quicker than I thought it would. I tried not to spend too much time on it, but it still looks o.k. When scenes are dark and blurry, you can get away with a lot. Character animation can be tough but in the first book most of the characters don't wear much, have masks, are bald, or deformed. I can go far without getting into cloth sim,facial animation, or hair. That stuff gets complicated. So, short films that don't get overly ambitious are doable.

MattTriano
06-11-2017, 05:07 PM
Watched the video as well as the old 1998 render on Youtube, you're a great designer. Inventive shapes. Looks like you know how they work, strong point of view.

I have to tell you: the pull quotes about the book in the video are an odd touch, especially since some of them aren't overly positive; one if not two of the quotes say something like 'I don't get it but the art is pretty' which, I dunno, as writer I wouldn't take that as a compliment. On same subject, you quote a single source twice(!) which has the words 'fan blog' in the title and that looks kinda lame, serves to de-legitimize the product you're trying to sell. Does that make sense?

Oh - how do you pronounce the title? 'EX-TIN' or 'ZY-TIN' or other?

JRXTIN
06-11-2017, 09:32 PM
Not many people have written about XTIN. As far as quotes go, I'm thrilled to have any. I could pull out the parts about the story being confusing, but it seems dishonest.

I think X-T-I-N in my head, just the letters pronounced individually, but I find the way the British guy in the first promo video pronounces it amusing (end of the video) -

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NUS9POhoHGY

It's not a great name but the URL is short.

JRXTIN
06-20-2017, 01:37 AM
http://orig04.deviantart.net/d74f/f/2017/170/b/f/xtin__reincarrion_take_2_issue_2_page_4_by_jrxtin-dbdaqdl.jpg

Also, reworked first promo trailer - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-e8hjoaIKE4

About the page, I'm not sure the guru's logic holds up. He may be stressing out a little.

I've been busy on Patreon (patreon.com/xtin) lately, uploading lots of stuff. There were not many rewards in the past, but that is changing. I've got a large volume of older work to upload and it will take some time to do it. I'm starting to appreciate the strength of Patreon for keeping touch with fans on a more frequent basis, and serving as a catch-all for art that doesn't fit on the comic sites, or isn't finished enough for an art site. I'd like to see more activity over there. I've got several free posts and will be doing more in the future, so why not check it out?

Finally, remember a year ago when I lost my job because a guy I was working with got busted for being a child molestor? The charges were dropped. It appears he was innocent after all. As far as I can tell the whole thing was made up by one of his kid's school teachers wanting to get at him. He still ended up in jail though due to financial problems caused by not being able to work due to being in jail on false child molestation charges. Total injustice for him and his family, and all those around him who lost their jobs, or the owner who had his business nearly ruined. In this case I hope that person can get a return on all the harm that radiated out from their vindictive behavior. They'll probably skate away with no consequences though.

MattTriano
06-21-2017, 02:09 AM
How did you lose YOUR job if a guy you worked with was (now we know falsely) accused of something horrible? Where do you fit in? Sorry you lost your job BTW

JRXTIN
06-21-2017, 03:29 PM
How did you lose YOUR job if a guy you worked with was (now we know falsely) accused of something horrible? Where do you fit in? Sorry you lost your job BTW

He was a carpenter, I was his assistant. When he got canned, the company owner didn't have any other work for me. The company took a big hit when the local media announced the carpenter was a child molester. All the homeowners the company owner had been doing work for freaked out because he'd had this "child molester" in their homes. I was told Lowe's stopped paying him for the work he was doing through them, which was most of his business. My neighbor worked without pay for several months before quitting. I've been hearing about the aftermath through the neighbor, so this is third or fourth hand information, but what I was told is that the evidence against the carpenter was so flimsy that the Judge laughed at it and threw it out it like it was nothing. The carpenter was in jail as an accused child molester for nearly a year on phoney charges it only took a judge a few moments to dismiss. Think about that. Nearly a year of his life stolen by some teacher or social worker who took a disliking to him.

Neil Allen
06-22-2017, 09:04 PM
I took a look at your project and it is very visually stimulating. You're a very inspired artist, and it's easy to see you generally have a big imagination. The concept of this series is interesting, however, I find that the delivery of... well... pretty much everything will make this series near inaccessible for most readers. Even when the imagery is impressive, it can be difficult at times to tell what is happening, and even though the dialogue is cool, it can be hard to puzzle out what it means, or what it means in the context of everything else.

So... more or less, it's really hard to tell what is going on here, especially when you throw in your own names and terms that are really long and difficult to pronounce (and thus they can be hard to remember easily).

Granted, the esoteric element of all of this has its own appeal, but at the end of the day, I think most readers are looking for something a lot less challenging. That doesn't mean they're looking for something stupid, that just means they're looking for something they can understand and relate with on some level.

Also, a word of advise, if you're really serious about this project, and you must be to have done 230 or more pages for it, I recommend getting your own website for it.

All in all, great art, and this is really, really interesting, if near impossible to digest. I guess, I should say a reader probably could digest this if they REALLY, REALLY, REALLY tried, but I think it's asking too much of most readers. I think they may give up and move on.

MattTriano
06-23-2017, 12:12 AM
I took a look at your project and it is very visually stimulating. You're a very inspired artist, and it's easy to see you generally have a big imagination. The concept of this series is interesting, however, I find that the delivery of... well... pretty much everything will make this series near inaccessible for most readers. Even when the imagery is impressive, it can be difficult at times to tell what is happening, and even though the dialogue is cool, it can be hard to puzzle out what it means, or what it means in the context of everything else.

So... more or less, it's really hard to tell what is going on here, especially when you throw in your own names and terms that are really long and difficult to pronounce (and thus they can be hard to remember easily).

Granted, the esoteric element of all of this has its own appeal, but at the end of the day, I think most readers are looking for something a lot less challenging. That doesn't mean they're looking for something stupid, that just means they're looking for something they can understand and relate with on some level.

Also, a word of advise, if you're really serious about this project, and you must be to have done 230 or more pages for it, I recommend getting your own website for it.

All in all, great art, and this is really, really interesting, if near impossible to digest. I guess, I should say a reader probably could digest this if they REALLY, REALLY, REALLY tried, but I think it's asking too much of most readers. I think they may give up and move on.

Yes. All of the above. It's good looking and completely impenetrable work. It asks too much of the reader and gives almost nothing in return. You aren't telling the reader your story, instead you seem content to tell stories for yourself -- and you alone -- which is admirable. I think one has to be protective of art in progress to make the best results. But.

You may want to stop pretending you want a reader to understand these characters and events. Example: the title of the project isn't a name nor a word but letters that you intend a reader to sound out individually. So the title is X-T-I-N with short pauses between each letter? The title lacks meaning, being neither a word nor an acronym.

You've decided 'fuck my reader I don't care if he/she gets it' right from the start, on the cover, with the first info one needs to remember and understand in order to enter the story. Almost all dialogue is seemingly written from this perspective: like it stands for something we can't grasp because not enough info is given to know WHY the guy is saying the thing to the girl with sweat on his brow through gritted teeth. If readers can't figure out WHY a thing is happening because the WHAT is obscure, the prospective reading experience ends there.

If you're unwilling to regard this work as mutable WIP, why post here? This is a critique and job posting forum. People want help, work, both. You seem to want none even though you've gotten a lot of good suggestions, all of which deal with the omnipresent deficit of clarity in the pages you've posted.

Can we start with the newest page you posted? What's happening? The imagery seems scatalogical, each pnl separate and disconnected to the pnls around it. That's a big problem, even mismatched pnls create a juxtapositional continuity, these don't tell me a story I understand even provided the lettering. Help us understand?

Also yeah get a website.

MattTriano
06-23-2017, 12:20 AM
He was a carpenter, I was his assistant. When he got canned, the company owner didn't have any other work for me. The company took a big hit when the local media announced the carpenter was a child molester. All the homeowners the company owner had been doing work for freaked out because he'd had this "child molester" in their homes. I was told Lowe's stopped paying him for the work he was doing through them, which was most of his business. My neighbor worked without pay for several months before quitting. I've been hearing about the aftermath through the neighbor, so this is third or fourth hand information, but what I was told is that the evidence against the carpenter was so flimsy that the Judge laughed at it and threw it out it like it was nothing. The carpenter was in jail as an accused child molester for nearly a year on phoney charges it only took a judge a few moments to dismiss. Think about that. Nearly a year of his life stolen by some teacher or social worker who took a disliking to him.

Madness.

JRXTIN
07-02-2017, 03:37 AM
I took a look at your project and it is very visually stimulating. You're a very inspired artist, and it's easy to see you generally have a big imagination. The concept of this series is interesting, however, I find that the delivery of... well... pretty much everything will make this series near inaccessible for most readers.

That's o.k., it isn't meant to be all ages.


Even when the imagery is impressive, it can be difficult at times to tell what is happening, and even though the dialogue is cool, it can be hard to puzzle out what it means, or what it means in the context of everything else.

Have you read the first book? This isn't episodic. While I've tried to make it accessible to the new reader, it's a serialized story and the stuff that happened in the first book matters.


So... more or less, it's really hard to tell what is going on here, especially when you throw in your own names and terms that are really long and difficult to pronounce (and thus they can be hard to remember easily).

I disagree on that one . Dune wouldn't be better without the Kwisatz Haderach or the Harkonnen, and even kids are able to learn names like "Pachirisu" and "Yajirobi" when they watch Pokemon or Dragonball.


Granted, the esoteric element of all of this has its own appeal, but at the end of the day, I think most readers are looking for something a lot less challenging.

This is true, and I expect XTIN to remain a hard sell in comic form.


Also, a word of advise, if you're really serious about this project, and you must be to have done 230 or more pages for it, I recommend getting your own website for it.

I've had one in the past. I'd rather let someone else fend off the hackers and the spammers.

JRXTIN
07-02-2017, 04:20 AM
Yes. All of the above. It's good looking and completely impenetrable work. It asks too much of the reader and gives almost nothing in return.


I've had enough positive comments about the story from readers who got it and got something out of it.

If XTIN is too hard to be the next big thing, oh well, I'll just have to live with it. While I can appreciate the finer things in life, they aren't must-haves.


The title lacks meaning, being neither a word nor an acronym.


I would have to say this is mistaken.

If you're unwilling to regard this work as mutable WIP, why post here? This is a critique and job posting forum. People want help, work, both. You seem to want none even though you've gotten a lot of good suggestions, all of which deal with the omnipresent deficit of clarity in the pages you've posted.

Let's not get too hung up on the rules, but if that's what it's going to come to, the Writer's Showcase is here. (http://digitalwebbing.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=15)

I haven't posted in the Writer's Showcase.

MattTriano
07-02-2017, 03:41 PM
That's o.k., it isn't meant to be all ages.

Not what he meant but ok. Then it should probably be clear to adults. We are not kids and we're struggling. Take this on its face.

Have you read the first book? This isn't episodic. While I've tried to make it accessible to the new reader, it's a serialized story and the stuff that happened in the first book matters.

You just broke my brain dude. Episodic and serialized are essentially the same. You'll have two books continuing one story when this book is done? That's an episodic narrative. Two episodes. And releasing that big story in more than one part, whether in print or online, makes it a serialized publication.

Of course the first book matters but you shouldn't have to read 200 pages of it to get an idea of what's going on. That means communicating The Five W's (including How if possible).

I disagree on that one . Dune wouldn't be better without the Kwisatz Haderach or the Harkonnen, and even kids are able to learn names like "Pachirisu" and "Yajirobi" when they watch Pokemon or Dragonball.

You're not Herbert and this isn't DUNE, but if that's what you're going for great! People love DUNE because it's immersive, clever and vast. Use those ideas -- not the complex names and places and made-up words -- as your inspiration. Deconstruct it.

This is true, and I expect XTIN to remain a hard sell in comic form

It doesn't HAVE to be.

I've had one in the past. I'd rather let someone else fend off the hackers and the spammers.

Whatever that means. If your comic website was being attacked by waves of hackers and spammers -- which I find hard to believe frankly -- you were doing something wrong with it. I know a lot of folks with websites, even a tumblr works in this regard.

If you want people to read this book and the previous one then put it in front of them.

MattTriano
07-02-2017, 03:51 PM
If XTIN is too hard to be the next big thing, oh well, I'll just have to live with it. While I can appreciate the finer things in life, they aren't must-haves

It's not 'too hard' in the way a math problem -- one that has a solution but is complex -- can be hard. This is confusing.

I don't know if 'finer things' refers to writing a cogent narrative or being able to buy a speed boat in this context but to be sure, write the good book first. Then worry about how rich it's going to make you.

I would have to say this is mistaken.

If YOU know what it means, great. But WE don't. So it seems to be devoid of meaning. The title is comprised of individual letters that make neither a word nor an acronym, correct? And nobody -- I don't care how into the material they are -- is going to want to pronounce EX-TEE-EYE-EN every time they tell someone about their favorite book. You must understand that.

Let's not get too hung up on the rules, but if that's what it's going to come to...I haven't posted in the Writer's Showcase.

Two members give you an honest critique and it makes you want to run from the thread? Don't. Stay. Post more.

You haven't violated any rules and no one is saying you have. Hiding in the Writer's Showcase doesn't change anything (and nobody posts there :))

JRXTIN
07-04-2017, 01:00 AM
https://orig12.deviantart.net/6fee/f/2017/184/8/c/xtin__reincarrion_take_2_issue_2_page_5_by_jrxtin-dbeygw0.jpg

Patreon.com/xtin (www.patreon.com/xtin)

Watch a couple sweet promotional videos on my YouTube channel -

Promo 2 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ue9szwRxjgE)

Promo 1 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-e8hjoaIKE4)

I've been building up the rewards on my Patreon, currently at 51 including the first XTIN graphic novel (230 pages), the first installment of Spider Princess Haki (13 pages), and the related comedic manga Extinction Level Event (thirty pages). I've also begun working on the art book "Parthenogenesis_01" which will collect the pre-XTIN artwork that led up to XTIN, but which is definitely not XTIN.

I experienced some Patreon growth last month, gaining three patrons but possibly losing one. I'm going to push to gain patrons because if I'm only able to draw one page a month REINCARRION may take twenty years to finish. I'm not compromising anything about XTIN so it will just have to update infrequently until there is more support for it.

MattTriano
07-04-2017, 01:20 AM
You like to put dark stuff at the edges of your panels, and since the borders are black it all bleeds together into a kind of vignetted thing -- but I don't think you're doing that on purpose. Are you?

I just realized that XTIN is the sound of the first two syllables of the word 'extinction,' minus the c sound. Is it important to you that readers pronounce each letter? Because that isn't intuitive.

Did you write on Patreon about not compromising the project or did you write that here for us? What do you mean by that?

Neil Allen
07-04-2017, 04:21 AM
That's o.k., it isn't meant to be all ages.

I'm not quite sure what you mean by this, but I'll take it at face value. I believe your comic will be confusing, both visually and in terms of narrative, for all ages. Every time you post a page from this, I'm thinking "what the heck is happening here!?" I can't tell what kind of environment the characters are in (sometimes I think they're floating in space, but I dunno'), I often have no idea what some objects are supposed to be, and I definitely can't piece together an understandable story out of this. I understand there is a guru with a baby, and he's trying to build a better world for the baby by proving a philosophical point. And somehow dragons play into this. Other than that, such as what is happening immediately on page... no real idea.


Have you read the first book? This isn't episodic. While I've tried to make it accessible to the new reader, it's a serialized story and the stuff that happened in the first book matters.

No. I think you're misunderstanding me some. I barely understand ANYTHING that is happening on page. Yes, the visuals are interesting, but this interesting quickly turns to tiring, and this tiring turns to uninteresting when you can't make sense of anything that is happening. It isn't a matter of whether I've read the first book or not. Let me show you something.

Here is a completely random comic page I pulled off the internet, which I have never seen prior to this:

https://babblingsaboutdccomics3.files.wordpress.com/2015/07/sup_287_002.png

Okay, what's happening here is kind of weird when you jump right in the middle of it, but I can tell you what is happening. Superman is fighting some criminals in flame proof suits. He defeats them. The cops come to take the criminals away, and then Superman talks to a dog.

I did not read this story, or the page before this one or the issue before this one, but I can tell you what is happening on this page. With your comic... I really have no idea what's happening. It isn't a matter of reading the previous story. With all due respect, it's a matter of you not being successful at clearly communicating what is happening on page, which is probably the worst thing you can do in a comic. Or if not the worst it is very high up there. It's like bad web design. A website may have a bunch of really flashy and great pictures everywhere, but if the text is hard to read, and it is difficult to understand how to navigate the site, and the pictures are literally covering up key parts of the navigation, the design falls apart.


I disagree on that one . Dune wouldn't be better without the Kwisatz Haderach or the Harkonnen, and even kids are able to learn names like "Pachirisu" and "Yajirobi" when they watch Pokemon or Dragonball.

I see. But mixed in with those names are a lot of names like Diglett, Butterfree, Weedle, Voltorb, Squirtle, Sandshrew, Geodude and so on. These are very easy names to pronounce, identify, and remember. Not every Pokemon is named someone like Yasoreomembo, or some such.

I've had one in the past. I'd rather let someone else fend off the hackers and the spammers.

I have ran sites for years and have not had a problem with hackers to my knowledge (knock on wood). As for spammers, there are things you can do to deal with them. But I won't try to convince you if getting a website is just something you don't want to do.

MattTriano
07-05-2017, 12:11 AM
https://babblingsaboutdccomics3.files.wordpress.com/2015/07/sup_287_002.png

Pencils by Curt Swan
Inks by Bob Oksner

JRXTIN
07-19-2017, 07:24 PM
https://orig01.deviantart.net/f6cb/f/2017/200/c/f/xtin__reincarrion_take_2_issue_2_page_6_by_jrxtin-dbgxjo1.jpg

Patreon (https://www.patreon.com/xtin)

Gumroad (https://www.gumroad.com/jrxtin)

Watch a couple sweet promotional videos on my YouTube channel -
Promo Vid 2 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ue9szwRxjgE)

Promo Vid 1 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-e8hjoaIKE4)

The Gumroad store is reopened (gumroad.com/jrxtin). I've had a couple people sign up for Patreon to get XTIN: The Dragon's Dreamworld, but I can tell it's not a popular option. You get access to far, far more stuff through Patreon, but you have to wait and wait and wait for it, and who wants that? I've been seeing slow but steady growth for the last few months, so I'm guessing there's a few more sales out there. Hopefully enough to cover Gumroad's fee. I've also put the first issue of REINCARRION up, at a higher resolution and with bonus pages from the first attempt at the story; and I've put up the Extinction Level Event one shot. ELE is nothing like XTIN, but it's sort of related. It's a comedic story that takes place within the same universe. I wonder what it would look like if it wasn't a comedy? The poor hero would be even more broken.

Page 6 is one of those pages that just would not go down. Panel 2 took much longer to draw than it should have, and I rewrote this over and over again. A kind of oppositional banter is developing between the guru and Mina. At this point the idea is raw and I don't know how comedic it's going to be, or how to write their comedic style. I don't want to be in a "The Force Awakens" situation where the characters are delivering lines in a comedic style from the present day. That really stuck out in a bad way. Would the comedy of the cultures in XTIN even come across as comedy to us? I'll get a handle on it somehow.

If anyone's interested, here's a book I illustrated earlier in the year - Link (https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/270059342/vampire-journals-asylum)

Except for the covers, which I did not illustrate. Or the colors. It's certainly strange to see my work colored.

JRXTIN
07-19-2017, 07:37 PM
I can't tell what kind of environment the characters are in (sometimes I think they're floating in space, but I dunno'),

Here's the issue 1 cover -

https://pre15.deviantart.net/82e5/th/pre/f/2017/105/8/5/xtin_reincarrion_cover_by_jrxtin-d96jtdq.jpg

And here's a couple pages from issue 1 -

https://orig05.deviantart.net/2190/f/2017/105/d/5/xtin_reincarrion_take_2_pg_1_by_jrxtin-dahhhkz.jpg

https://orig14.deviantart.net/2658/f/2017/106/5/1/xtin__reincarrion_take_2_pg_20_by_jrxtin-db3ia0i.jpg

Surely it's clear that they're in space.

There are things that aren't clear about the page you posted. Where are they in the first two panels? Why are there fists coming out of the flames? Oh, I see, someone is flying around in the flames. Maybe that's Superman. Good thing I already know Superman can fly. I haven't seen him use an attack like that before, but I know his powers well enough to assume it's possible. I'm sure everything would make more sense if I'd read the previous pages.

MattTriano
07-20-2017, 02:38 AM
https://orig05.deviantart.net/2190/f/2017/105/d/5/xtin_reincarrion_take_2_pg_1_by_jrxtin-dahhhkz.jpg

https://orig14.deviantart.net/2658/f/2017/106/5/1/xtin__reincarrion_take_2_pg_20_by_jrxtin-db3ia0i.jpg

Surely it's clear that they're in space.

There are things that aren't clear about the page you posted. Where are they in the first two panels? Why are there fists coming out of the flames? Oh, I see, someone is flying around in the flames. Maybe that's Superman. Good thing I already know Superman can fly. I haven't seen him use an attack like that before, but I know his powers well enough to assume it's possible. I'm sure everything would make more sense if I'd read the previous pages.

It's clear they're in space yeah. Everything floating in space is totally strange and offered without explanation. Your environments are totally fantastic, created from whole cloth, unlike anywhere one can travel on Earth right? Spaceship cathedrals with wings made of bones? Well how the fuck can anyone know what the characters are doing, where they are, how they're interacting with their environment etc if NOBODY ever talks about those things? Why are they in space? What kind of ships are those? What's inside? Do we ever SEE the insides of those ships and stuff? Cathedrals in space might look pretty cool inside, and show the reader what the people inside those ships do and for what reasons they do those things. Your pages are confusing because I don't often know which characters I'm meant to care about, sometimes even panel-to-panel it's tough to track who is who. Problematic. You aren't keen to hear critique either and seem to have no intention of addressing these big issues with an equal and appropriate effort. You seem willing to ignore these problems or perhaps don't see them as problems in that way I do. Which?

To whit: your example about having to know Superman in order to read the old page posted below is thin b/c color tends to keep continuity across panels even if you don't know how or why the guy in red/blue/yellow is able to do what he's doing. You still recognize it's him, color does that job. Your pages are b/w and aren't going to be colored. That means they have to be even CLEARER than comics made for color.

MattTriano
07-20-2017, 05:15 PM
Page 6 is one of those pages that just would not go down. Panel 2 took much longer to draw than it should have, and I rewrote this over and over again. A kind of oppositional banter is developing between the guru and Mina. At this point the idea is raw and I don't know how comedic it's going to be, or how to write their comedic style. I don't want to be in a "The Force Awakens" situation where the characters are delivering lines in a comedic style from the present day. That really stuck out in a bad way. Would the comedy of the cultures in XTIN even come across as comedy to us? I'll get a handle on it somehow.

If anyone's interested, here's a book I illustrated earlier in the year - Link (https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/270059342/vampire-journals-asylum)


The vampire book looks great! Shots, environments, characters. Everything clear, far and away more digestible than XTIN.

Re: Star Wars VII. I think you're referencing the Poe 'who talks first' dialogue and I get what you're trying to avoid: overly contemporary dialogue that doesn't fit the tone of the narrative. But that really only applies to stuff with an established tone. There are six Star Wars movies and nobody talks that way to anyone, so it feels out of place when Poe does it. Feels like Star Wars filmmakers saw Guardians of the Galaxy! Which they did. And works in that story because it's new, they could do whatever they wanted and they decided to keep things colloquial. Helps that the main character is from 80s Earth so we get all his references.

Your comics are also not well established in the reader's mind. We don't know XTIN like Star Wars; therefore your characters CAN feel like contemporary, colloquial people out of the gate. Keep it clear, keep it simple, keep it as visual as possible. Your characters are aliens, they won't have translatable inside jokes or slang that a reader will understand, so discard those hopelessly dense elements. You don't need to overthink it. Communicate what YOU think is funny, tell a funny story where funny things happen (not just relying on dialogue to sell it) and the reader will get onboard despite the alienness of the costumes and environments and situations.

Neil Allen
07-22-2017, 04:53 PM
Here's the issue 1 cover -

https://pre15.deviantart.net/82e5/th/pre/f/2017/105/8/5/xtin_reincarrion_cover_by_jrxtin-d96jtdq.jpg

And here's a couple pages from issue 1 -

https://orig05.deviantart.net/2190/f/2017/105/d/5/xtin_reincarrion_take_2_pg_1_by_jrxtin-dahhhkz.jpg

https://orig14.deviantart.net/2658/f/2017/106/5/1/xtin__reincarrion_take_2_pg_20_by_jrxtin-db3ia0i.jpg

Surely it's clear that they're in space.

There are things that aren't clear about the page you posted. Where are they in the first two panels? Why are there fists coming out of the flames? Oh, I see, someone is flying around in the flames. Maybe that's Superman. Good thing I already know Superman can fly. I haven't seen him use an attack like that before, but I know his powers well enough to assume it's possible. I'm sure everything would make more sense if I'd read the previous pages.

Well ... honestly, no. At least not to me. The cover looks like the characters are in Hell. And with the pages you posted, it looks like it could be space ... or just a starry sky. Perhaps if the comic was colored, it would be easier for me to tell for sure. Not that I'm saying the black and white deal is a problem, but when that is all you have to represent things, I think one should strive all the more to make sure the idea of the image is clear. Or, if need be, make it clear in the text what is happening. It would likely be clear it was space to me if I saw larger heavenly bodies and things like asteroids. I'm not saying you need to or should have those things, I'm just saying if I saw stuff like that I would have a good idea that the characters were in space.

12013
07-22-2017, 11:39 PM
so ive been watching this thread for a while and seeing the back and forth between you and everyone, I figured I add a thought or two.

first off, I can certainly appreciate doing a big project because YOU want to do it. for no other reason that you want to see it brought into creation. I respect that.

I do agree that this is a tough ass read. and it SEEMS that you don't really want to hear it.
I don't know for sure tho, I don't know you and your interests and goals with this. if this IS done for you and you alone, then sure, it can be any way you want it to be.

I personally am working on stuff that is for ME in one respect, in that its what I want to see done. even if no one else does. "I" do. BUT, I also absolutely want to share it with people. to have my work seen and judged for whether its seen as good or not. I am interested in knowing where people rate my work.
does it make sense? is it clear? do people get the point? hell..can they make heads or tails of my story and art at all?
THAT I want to know, regardless of if I'm doing it for my self or not.

but that's me, and MY interests.

as for your work here.. its seems clear to me that you have a vision, and a goal and I love that.

but its a tough ass read, for the reasons many , especially Triano has listed.

some very basic things..like you having SO many, if not al,l of the borders a solid black line. it makes it seem like there is not ANY separation in the panels, and all the images look like they are supposed to be one big weird image and it doesn't make sense.

and it interrupts the flow of the read.

and that's bad. it needs to FLOW easy. and this does not.

I understand that it may be clear as hell to YOU. of course it is. you are the artist. you constructed this. your eye can track this. the casual reader seriously cant.

and that could be costing you...well..readers. and you are doing the patreon thing. you NEED readers.

something as simple as making the panels separate and clear, in my opinion, would help.

but that's just me and what I see based on what I like and would do, as a fellow artist who LOVES sequential storytelling and takes this art form seriously.

simplifying it so everyone else can read it helps you, it doesn't hinder you.

I'm sure there must be a balance where you can keep your artistic vision and still incorporate some of the feedback you are getting.

but in the end.. this is YOUR work. what you want to do with it is no ones business but your own. and I do appreciate your dedication.

ROB

MattTriano
08-16-2017, 06:02 PM
Well said, Rob

Charles
08-19-2017, 09:44 PM
Very imaginative. Visually energetic. Yet, it plays visual havoc with the eyes.

Can you post the pencils of some of these very same pages?

My eyes favor the narrative boxes over the visuals on display, yet all things considered, the art is visually engaging. So, it seems to me that it is the inking that my eyes are taking issue with.

The front cover yields a certain crispness and clarity (for the most part) that the black and white pages can't compete with.

Is it available for purchase in PDF format (if I missed it posted, already)? There's not enough on display here to judge the work as a whole, and individual pages can be misleading.

Scribbly
09-02-2017, 08:59 AM
I like the designs. I love it. I like the imagery as whole. I would like to have a writer as Stan Lee (or in his style) re-writing dialogues on top these images giving them the sense and coherency a good script need on facing the audience.
As it is, this script is very cryptic, meaning only the author knows the meaning of everything or what happens on it, but not the reader who is the ultimate receptor of the work. IMHO.

JRXTIN
09-13-2017, 04:21 AM
https://orig00.deviantart.net/d13d/f/2017/255/8/9/xtin__reincarrion_take_2_issue_2_page_7_by_jrxtin-dbn91n1.jpg

XTIN updates are going to be infrequent and irregular for the near and mid future. I'm currently drawing two other graphic novels, probably have a third one lined up, and I'm occasionally doing work as a background artist. I did the background on a Lady Death cover a couple weeks ago. It's not a real big deal but now I can say I've done a small amount on a book a few people have heard of. As things stand now I've got around a 2 year backlog of work. When I get through it I should be in a much better position to work on XTIN, or another book. I'm going to finish up REINCARRION and Spider Princess Haki at least. I think the webcomic format is not good for me though, since I tend to do stories that don't read well via weekly or monthly updates. I don't know what the answer is there, we'll see how things shake out over the next two years.

I'm going to consider this thread closed. For the time being XTIN will update on SmackJeeves, The Duck, Comic Fury, Deviant Art, and Patreon.


Charles - XTIN is entirely digital, so no pencils. I don't think I've pencilled anything in at least a decade.

You can get the first graphic novel and the first issue of REINCARRION from Gumroad or Patreon -

https://www.patreon.com/xtin

https://gumroad.com/jrxtin

The first graphic novel is much more violent and gory, so don't get it unless you can handle extreme body horror. Not many pages go by without someone being tortured, especially in the beginning. If you don't read the first book though there's little reason to read any other XTIN book.

MattTriano
09-13-2017, 05:09 AM
https://orig00.deviantart.net/d13d/f/2017/255/8/9/xtin__reincarrion_take_2_issue_2_page_7_by_jrxtin-dbn91n1.jpg

Why does the girl with spiky wings and foreground person with third eye look very different btwn pnl 1 and pnl 3?

FYI pnl 2 closeup of dragon-ie monster is hard to distinguish from pnl 1 and 3 -- black borders and black background and odd head crop and not being set up in first pnl hurts clarity

Congrats on other work!

12013
09-13-2017, 06:23 PM
Why does the girl with spiky wings and foreground person with third eye look very different btwn pnl 1 and pnl 3?

FYI pnl 2 closeup of dragon-ie monster is hard to distinguish from pnl 1 and 3 -- black borders and black background and odd head crop and not being set up in first pnl hurts clarity

Congrats on other work!

totally agree with all those points.

especially the BLACK BORDER problem that I mentioned earlier in my other comment some time back. it REALLY hurts the separation of panels and is really confusing.

I still enjoy this project and your passion for it. these issues mentioned just kinda hold it back and its unfortunate.

Neil Allen
09-26-2017, 10:56 AM
XTIN updates are going to be infrequent and irregular for the near and mid future. I'm currently drawing two other graphic novels, probably have a third one lined up, and I'm occasionally doing work as a background artist. I did the background on a Lady Death cover a couple weeks ago. It's not a real big deal but now I can say I've done a small amount on a book a few people have heard of. As things stand now I've got around a 2 year backlog of work. When I get through it I should be in a much better position to work on XTIN, or another book. I'm going to finish up REINCARRION and Spider Princess Haki at least. I think the webcomic format is not good for me though, since I tend to do stories that don't read well via weekly or monthly updates. I don't know what the answer is there, we'll see how things shake out over the next two years.

I've thought about the webcomic topic myself for what I'm doing. My view is that I take the long view. My main goal is completing graphic novels. I do, however, post pages online regularly in webcomic form. I'm not necessarily trying hard to get my work to read well as a webcomic, though. If it does, great, but that's not the ultimate goal. Readers can see the work before it's all collected and printed. This is handy for me because it helps me build up a following as I'm working on the project, and I also get feedback from readers along the way.

If someone brings up something they think could make the work better, and I agree with it, well ...it's REALLY easy to revise things with a webcomic. I don't change the story (at least, I haven't), but I have changed/corrected some aspects of the visuals based on feedback. So, the cool thing about posting pages up on a regularly basis (like with webcomics) is that you can get instant feedback on your work that can help you make your overall product better BEFORE you print it, or whatever you do to collect it. When you post a page online, it isn't set in stone by any means. You can just fix/change something and post it again, no problem. Some readers may see things you don't or have a different perspective that can prove useful. It's also cool to see how fans react to the story as it's unfolding. Like what moments matter the most to them, what characters are catching on, and so on. That can even affect your writing as you go, in a good way (and a bad way, potentially, I suppose).