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Robert_S
01-31-2015, 04:42 PM
Is this a common image done by new illustrators? Obviously, males are the biggest consumers of comics, but it also seems this imagery is off putting to female readers.

I just looked at another new guy's initial showings and there it was again: big breasted women with erect nipples poking through their tops.

Is this something comic creators/scripters should push to improve sales?

I originally wrote my story as a screenplay, but I was afraid it would be rejected for not having enough explosions in it. Now I'm getting self-conscious that my story won't have enough mammary showing.

Eliseu Gouveia
01-31-2015, 05:43 PM
Sex doesn't sell.

Even when Deodato was drawing Wonder Woman in a g-string, sales didn't skyrocket.

Male comic readers are too affraid to be judged by a puritan society to risk buying a book with a sexy girl on the cover and female comic readers frown at such depictions.
Parents follow suit when looking for gateway titles for their kids.

QAN
01-31-2015, 05:54 PM
Is this something comic creators/scripters should push to improve sales?

Now I'm getting self-conscious that my story won't have enough mammary showing.

It's very easy to let the noise of routine and popularity get to you. It isn't new and it's not going anywhere. If you have something different and interesting that goes against the norm, it may be just what the audience of today may go for in droves.

When it comes to money-whoring, companies do whatever they can get away with to keep the 'lights' on.

Sex doesn't sell.

Even when Deodato was drawing Wonder Woman in a g-string, sales didn't skyrocket.



My experience has been different. WW is not a very good example, too. As much as Warner/DC play her up like she's on the stage of priorities among the likes of superbats, they are lying. It shows in their comics, media, and decision-making. Fans tend to go with what they like and what they are largely told to like.

Justice41
01-31-2015, 06:46 PM
Sarcasm completely passed you by Qan. No one is told what to buy they are given choices and choose. Guys like drawing tits. big deal if guys could draw toe they would too.

johnjohn
01-31-2015, 07:54 PM
The only reason I clicked on this thread was the title.
I'll admit it.

ferah11
01-31-2015, 08:38 PM
Where? Oh a imageless tread...

Robert_S
01-31-2015, 09:13 PM
Where? Oh a imageless tread...

Yeah, sorry friend. I'm a scripter, not a penciler, but I could recommend some erotic literature for you.

Scribbly
02-01-2015, 12:13 AM
Is this a common image done by new illustrators? Obviously, males are the biggest consumers of comics, but it also seems this imagery is off putting to female readers.

I just looked at another new guy's initial showings and there it was again: big breasted women with erect nipples poking through their tops.

Is this something comic creators/scripters should push to improve sales?

I originally wrote my story as a screenplay, but I was afraid it would be rejected for not having enough explosions in it. Now I'm getting self-conscious that my story won't have enough mammary showing.

Where are you reading these comics? At Hooters?

Rob Norton
02-01-2015, 12:26 AM
yeah...when all is said and done...the title was enough to make we want to see the thread. so...in a way...yeah..sex DOES sell....

but for me...the art has to be really good for me to want to buy anything like that. like..REALLY good. and most over the top erotica crap has really bad art in MY opinion.

and I like drawing sexy chicks too...im that guy..

rob

johnjohn
02-01-2015, 12:41 AM
I am only speaking for myself here:

When I was a kid the barely dressed women in Savage Sword of Conan, or the huge naked boobs in Heavy Metal were like finding a treasure of gold.
Now, with the ease of finding nudity and sexuality it's what you think you see rather than what you see which is more enticing.

Does that mean whenever I see a naked pic of an attractive woman I think 'Meh, wonder what I'm going to make for dinner tonight?'
Nope, I look and enjoy.
However it's not as appealing as an image where I think I see something.

When I see a picture and wonder if I see something, I find that draws my attention more than actually seeing something.

Stewart Vernon
02-01-2015, 03:49 AM
If you want one-shot short-term success, then yes... sex sells!

If you want sustained, long-term success... then you need substance.

I speak here as a fan. I have a lot of favorite artists whose books were not well-written (whether it be the artist/writer at fault or another writer who wasn't the artist) and I stopped buying the book pretty quickly.

I still loved the art, but after a few issues I had all I needed. Without solid storytelling, I didn't need to see the "boobs" from another angle... I had them already.

Robert_S
02-01-2015, 04:04 AM
Where are you reading these comics? At Hooters?

I don't want to risk shaming anyone, but it's pretty common if you look. Even if the woman isn't cold, she usually has big breasts.

DaveyDouble
02-01-2015, 04:35 AM
If you're drawing adult or hentai work, exposed breasts, large breasts and erect nipples, among other things, are totally appropriate.

If however, you're drawing a female superhero, and you've draw her in a skintight suit that, unless coloured, may as well not exist, and you're drawing large, unrealistic breasts with erect nipples, my personal advice would be too find out what women and boobs actually look like, and then bash one out and get over it.

ferah11
02-03-2015, 08:41 AM
If you're drawing adult or hentai work, exposed breasts, large breasts and erect nipples, among other things, are totally appropriate.

If however, you're drawing a female superhero, and you've draw her in a skintight suit that, unless coloured, may as well not exist, and you're drawing large, unrealistic breasts with erect nipples, my personal advice would be too find out what women and boobs actually look like, and then bash one out and get over it.

Do you know anything? You can't get over sex by getting laid once nor a 100 times. If you want to know what a nipple feels like, touch your earlobes, Ok stop it now or you gonna make baby jesus cry.

DaveyDouble
02-03-2015, 10:06 AM
Nipples do not feel like your earlobe.

Your earlobe feels like an earlobe, and a nipple feels like a nipple.

Buckyrig
02-03-2015, 12:01 PM
There's never been any hard data supporting the notion that sex sells. It's a "common sense" assumption.

But then again, so was the notion that the sun orbits the earth.

Some artists just like drawing that way. Any other reason given is a rationalization.

Stewart Vernon
02-03-2015, 04:46 PM
Nipples do not feel like your earlobe.

Your earlobe feels like an earlobe, and a nipple feels like a nipple.

And more to the point... if someone wants to know what a nipple feels like... feel your own nipple! It isn't rocket science... it's nipple science!

DaveyDouble
02-03-2015, 07:06 PM
Slow down guys. Nipple science is not a toy.

Eliseu Gouveia
02-03-2015, 08:03 PM
Bro, do you even nipple?

Schuyler
02-03-2015, 08:20 PM
Is this a common image done by new illustrators? Obviously, males are the biggest consumers of comics, but it also seems this imagery is off putting to female readers.

I just looked at another new guy's initial showings and there it was again: big breasted women with erect nipples poking through their tops.

Is this something comic creators/scripters should push to improve sales?

I originally wrote my story as a screenplay, but I was afraid it would be rejected for not having enough explosions in it. Now I'm getting self-conscious that my story won't have enough mammary showing.

I am also annoyed by the depiction of women in comic books. I saw this post and didn't even comment, because I have already been on this soapbox in other threads.

The thread has continued, and it has degraded. So, I brought it up to my wife.

She said that big breasted women, with erect nipples are not going to turn her away from a comic. If said, BBWWEN were also badass. That's the ticket. She also loves Wonder Woman. Not reading the comic mind you, but the icon.

Men are also depicted in unrealistic ways. Those same books that have the BBWWEN, have men with completely unrealistic muscles. It is the nature of comics, I think. What do we find attractive about men? Now, if we are Wanda Sykes, we might be wondering what The Hulk has in his purple shorts. But, I think most women do not think like that. They do, however, find muscly men fascinating.

What do men want to see? As Louis CK says, it is evolutionary that we find the mammary glans attractive. The bigger they are the more milk they will potentially store for our babies.

Just a thought,

-Sky

Schuyler
02-03-2015, 09:50 PM
Now I'm getting self-conscious that my story won't have enough mammary showing.

I actually know you well enough to know that this is a wisecrack. You know that mammary and explosions do not make a story. I also know that you really want to sell your story. I would say that you should include this kind of thing, only if you are including its opposite.

I do not remember you describing your character as overly muscled. Why then would you include large sexual appeal for your female character? I think she is a hologram, so it it wouldn't make sense anyway.

I want to know what brought this on, Robert? I'm not saying that you have to show us the art in question, but why are you mad? Are you trying to choose an artist? Are you mad about some books that you bought? Sometimes books make me mad. Tell us what the inciting incident was.

DJ Keawekane
02-03-2015, 11:41 PM
Oh sorry I was scouring this thread looking for big breasts and erect nipples.

Anyways...

Here's my 2 cents about people that get mad at the way women are depicted in comics. It's all subject to the artists interpretation of whatever it is they're drawing. Does it view the way they see women? Maybe? But don't forget it's a portrayal of something.

You know we can take this argument or debate or whatever you wanna call it the other way too you know?

You ever see how some women artists portray men? Note: some women not all- they look very feminine. I can say this because my sister is a good artist and she draws very feminine looking guys. NOT ONE GUY takes offence to that. If you do you're probably the same guy taking offense at the way women are portrayed- and by portrayed I mean- visually as a drawing- nothing having to do with character and story.

Either way, the artist rendition is subject to the limitations of that artist. Nothing more.

Alyssa
02-04-2015, 12:08 AM
Oh sorry I was scouring this thread looking for big breasts and erect nipples.

Here you go!
(http://tinyurl.com/nokcsml)
Oh, I know, it's not fair to cheat you out of the real deal.

Here you go. (http://www.mindandmuscle.net/articles/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/Secondary-20110416153021031-20110416153104343.jpg)

mfcisme
02-04-2015, 01:08 AM
Here you go!
(http://tinyurl.com/nokcsml)
Oh, I know, it's not fair to cheat you out of the real deal.

Here you go. (http://www.mindandmuscle.net/articles/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/Secondary-20110416153021031-20110416153104343.jpg)

NSFW that shit.

Also
God damn it! Why do you have links to those?

ponyrl
02-04-2015, 01:46 AM
NEVER...click on a link from Alyssa.

Danger Will Robinson, DANGER! :D

Alyssa
02-04-2015, 01:58 AM
NEVER...click on a link from Alyssa.

Danger Will Robinson, DANGER! :D


Ponyrl, I feel like we have a deep understanding of one another.

:har::har:

Bishop
02-04-2015, 08:43 AM
NEVER...click on a link from Alyssa.

Danger Will Robinson, DANGER! :D

Excellent advice. I made that mistake once. Once.

johnjohn
02-04-2015, 02:13 PM
Here you go!
(http://tinyurl.com/nokcsml)
Oh, I know, it's not fair to cheat you out of the real deal.

Here you go. (http://www.mindandmuscle.net/articles/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/Secondary-20110416153021031-20110416153104343.jpg)

.........god I wish my brain had a 'Delete History' option.

Scribbly
02-04-2015, 04:51 PM
.........god I wish my brain had a 'Delete History' option.

Alyssa and her "selfies". :(

Robert_S
02-04-2015, 05:49 PM
I do not remember you describing your character as overly muscled. Why then would you include large sexual appeal for your female character? I think she is a hologram, so it it wouldn't make sense anyway.


He is not steroidal, but more like beach muscle. She is intended to be in good physical shape and good looking, but not anything like a augmented stripper. She plucked the ideal image from his mind and he's not wanting the stripper with augmentation surgery.



I want to know what brought this on, Robert? I'm not saying that you have to show us the art in question, but why are you mad? Are you trying to choose an artist? Are you mad about some books that you bought? Sometimes books make me mad. Tell us what the inciting incident was.

No, it's just that I looked at another writer/artist's render for his book and it has another woman with big breasts with erect nipples and I'm wondering how much I may need to rely on that to help push the book. I'm afraid of rejection for superficial reasons.

Stories are awesome, but a story that doesn't sell isn't going to make up for the production cost. If nothing else, the story needs to break even, else it's a money sink. I don't want it to be a sink and in fact, I would like it to be profitable so I can roll it over for the production cost of the next issue. I don't want to have to keep going back to kickstarter. I don't feel it's the purpose of KS to keep funding each issue. It's supposed to help get the ball rolling.

Robert_S
02-04-2015, 06:01 PM
NSFW that shit.

Also
God damn it! Why do you have links to those?

Because people like you make such a fuss. Where's the fun in NOT nearly getting you busted for looking at porn at work?

Schuyler
02-04-2015, 07:11 PM
He is not steroidal, but more like beach muscle. She is intended to be in good physical shape and good looking, but not anything like a augmented stripper. She plucked the ideal image from his mind and he's not wanting the stripper with augmentation surgery.




No, it's just that I looked at another writer/artist's render for his book and it has another woman with big breasts with erect nipples and I'm wondering how much I may need to rely on that to help push the book. I'm afraid of rejection for superficial reasons.

Stories are awesome, but a story that doesn't sell isn't going to make up for the production cost. If nothing else, the story needs to break even, else it's a money sink. I don't want it to be a sink and in fact, I would like it to be profitable so I can roll it over for the production cost of the next issue. I don't want to have to keep going back to kickstarter. I don't feel it's the purpose of KS to keep funding each issue. It's supposed to help get the ball rolling.

Think about a story that you love. It also made a lot of money. It has to be a comic or a movie because it has to paired with images.

Is there an excessive amount of explosions or mammary? Or, any at all?

Don't waste your time worrying about that. That's the best advice I can offer you. If you see a good spot to show some mammary or blow something up. Then you should do it. No questions asked.

Why? It is simple. Both those things are awesome.

Stewart Vernon
02-04-2015, 11:33 PM
I would say tell, and show, the story you want to tell. If you "sex it up" and people aren't interested in your story, then sexing it up will not help it in the long run. It might even detract from people who like the story who see the "sex" for what it is, an attempt to boost sales artificially.

I'm not saying people can't "sell out" to be a success or pay the bills either... but call it what it is. If you want to pander to what you think the masses want, you can do that too... but I wouldn't combine pandering with telling a quality story.

I say it's an either or... A. Tell the best story you can and market it on that and hope you find the right audience. OR B. Pander to the lowest denominator and "go for the green" if you think that will sell more.

Put another way... nobody looks for Shakespeare in their porn or Porn in their Shakespeare... some people like both... but usually not at the same time!

mfcisme
02-05-2015, 12:21 AM
Because people like you make such a fuss. Where's the fun in NOT nearly getting you busted for looking at porn at work?

It was a joke. I think anyone who actually clicked the links got it.

ponyrl
02-05-2015, 01:44 AM
Ponyrl, I feel like we have a deep understanding of one another.

:har::har:
But of course. :D

TeleKill
02-05-2015, 04:55 AM
It seems almost like a hold over from the 90s to me. Lots of artist out there who began reading comics with Bill Tucci, Deodato, Steve Hughes, etc. And it's in their blood. My first comic experiences were reading EC reprints or Mike Ploog comics from the 70s that had a bit of a retro look and feel to it. To this day, people refer to my art as being 'retro' even when Im not going for that particular look.

Not that women weren't drawn this way before the 90s, but that's when it really exploded.

Scribbly
02-05-2015, 06:48 AM
It seems almost like a hold over from the 90s to me. Lots of artist out there who began reading comics with Bill Tucci, Deodato, Steve Hughes, etc. And it's in their blood. My first comic experiences were reading EC reprints or Mike Ploog comics from the 70s that had a bit of a retro look and feel to it. To this day, people refer to my art as being 'retro' even when Im not going for that particular look.

Not that women weren't drawn this way before the 90s, but that's when it really exploded.

And why this happen? Is this because only jerks did start buying comics since?

DaveyDouble
02-05-2015, 09:38 AM
...excessive amount of explosions...

Whoa whoa whoa.
I didn't read any further than this.

What the fuck is wrong with any amount of explosions?

QAN
02-05-2015, 09:45 AM
I didn't read any further than this.

Maybe you should. It was covered in that short post.

Schuyler
02-05-2015, 09:47 AM
Whoa whoa whoa.
I didn't read any further than this.

What the fuck is wrong with any amount of explosions?

The same thing that's wrong with mammary. Absolutely nothing.

Morganza
02-05-2015, 10:04 AM
All this titty talk has got me anxious.

Schuyler
02-05-2015, 10:06 AM
No, it's just that I looked at another writer/artist's render for his book and it has another woman with big breasts with erect nipples and I'm wondering how much I may need to rely on that to help push the book. I'm afraid of rejection for superficial reasons.

Was the book in question good? Did the two sell a ton of books?

I have never heard the kind of critique that you are talking about.

"If only his book had more boobs, I would have picked it up."

I may be very sheltered, though.

-Sky

Newt
02-05-2015, 11:01 AM
There's never been any hard data supporting the notion that sex sells. It's a "common sense" assumption.

But then again, so was the notion that the sun orbits the earth.

Some artists just like drawing that way. Any other reason given is a rationalization.

This reminded me of a prominent local ad campaign:
http://clarksvillenow.com/wp-content/blogs.dir/43/files/2015/01/Photo-2-the-bus.jpg

I don't know if the owner made a calculation that jailbirds would remember her mighty chest and call her to spring them, or if she just likes to see herself in costumes on billboards and buses.

Anyways...Robert, no doubt there are people who will flip through a book, say, "Not enough titties" and put it down. There are also people who will flip through a book, say, "Gross adolescent fantasy" and put it down. And a, probably much larger, third group of people who are not very concerned one way or the other. Which group of people is your story most likely to appeal to?

Schuyler
02-05-2015, 11:30 AM
Put another way... nobody looks for Shakespeare in their porn or Porn in their Shakespeare... some people like both... but usually not at the same time!

My wife wants to know when the Shakespeare porn is going to be released. She really did ask that. Hehe...

Pornography- Something that produces sexual thought, and has no artistic merit.

If we add a compelling story to a porn, does it cease to be porn? Where do we draw the line, and who is drawing it? These are questions that can only be answered internally. They have to do with your artistic ethics. Yes, I can judge you on your ethics, but that does not make me correct.

I have a story about a Samurai. At one point he ends up in Sukhothai (ancient Thailand). I did some research and discovered that the women did not wear tops. I'm not going to lie, I was excited. Not just by the images in my head, but by the images that were potentially going to be drawn.

Later, I realized that a scene with a bunch of half naked women was going to reduce my audience. I was not thinking that people don't want to see that. I was thinking that my book would become age specific. It would not be sold to minors.

I decided not to put the half naked women in. I was selling out, because I wanted to boost sales by not including something that would be authentic to the culture.

I broke my own artistic ethic for the sake of potential sales. Those are decisions that we must make.

-Sky

Scribbly
02-05-2015, 03:17 PM
Thing is, comics is a media, regardless its content.
We can do and read comics of any content; Educational, social, entertainment, drama, humor , futuristic, sci-fi, cartoons, epic, adventure, erotic and even porn comics.
What we read is telling what kind of people we are by our preferences.

ponyrl
02-05-2015, 03:51 PM
All this titty talk has got me anxious.

Bwhahahahahahahah :laugh:

paul brian deberry
02-05-2015, 07:18 PM
this thread fails. for lack of big breast and erect nipples. closing.