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Mark Bertolini
04-16-2010, 11:21 AM
http://www.bleedingcool.com/2010/04/16/steve-rogers-super-soldier-by-ed-brubaker-and-dale-eaglesham/


My first thought was: Why is Dale Eaglesham off of Fantastic Four?

But I kinda like this idea. I dig the costume, and the idea that Rogers will take on a James Bond/Nick Fury type of role. With Brubaker writing, I have full confidence in how this will work.

ronin7
04-16-2010, 12:50 PM
Brubaker can is almost flawless plot-wise. So, I hope this gets collected because I want to read it. And with Dale Eaglesham on art makes it all the more enticing. Though, I wonder who will be on art for Fantastic Four?

Moonrider
04-16-2010, 01:20 PM
I dig the costume. But the Pacheco cover looks a bit... odd.



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Hoooo wait... He's using a gun??? :blink:

JamieRoberts
04-18-2010, 08:10 AM
Initial thoughts:

Too many new Avengers-related books. Overkill.

Costume is Fighting American. Take that, Liefeld!

Shame Eaglesham is off FF.

Only a mini? I bet Steve Rogers is going to star in a series of minis, then. Volumes, maybe.

Love Pacheco.

Biofungus
04-18-2010, 06:16 PM
So basically, they're keeping Bucky as Cap and making Steve Rogers into the new Winter Soldier?

Moonrider
04-18-2010, 10:21 PM
Only a mini? I bet Steve Rogers is going to star in a series of minis, then. Volumes, maybe.

Love Pacheco.

He's gonna be in Secret Avengers along with Beast, Moon Knight, Nova, War Machine, Ant-Man and Valkyrie.

Paul Sanderson
04-19-2010, 03:00 AM
He's gonna be in Secret Avengers along with Beast, Moon Knight, Nova, War Machine, Ant-Man and Valkyrie.

Looks as lame as the last time Steve Rogers pretended to be someone other than Captain America. A big *yawn* from me :rolleyes:

Moonrider
04-19-2010, 05:49 AM
To each his own. Personally I'm interested.

zcotty
04-28-2010, 06:35 PM
I like the uniform and I trust Brubaker to deliver. Can't wait for this to come out.

SIN 78
05-19-2010, 06:36 PM
Anyone else think that Steve needs a mask or some type of headgear? Maybe I'm just weird, but I think he looks naked geared up without a mask. And no shield??? Anyway, kinda sounds like it's going to be a dark book and they certainly have a cast that looks like there will be friction with each other.

Jason Powell
05-19-2010, 07:43 PM
Don't worry guys, he will be Captian America again before the new movie comes out.

-Jason Powell

HaphazardJoy
05-19-2010, 08:00 PM
Don't worry guys, he will be Captian America again before the new movie comes out.

-Jason Powell

No duh, but better thought: will this be something like the movie costume?

Jason Powell
05-21-2010, 03:54 PM
No duh, but better thought: will this be something like the movie costume?

Doubt it because only comic fans will even know this is him. Kids who do not read comics (you know like 99% of them) and their parents only know the Captian America in the cartoons and toys so they will not accept it.

This is just a marketing ploy to get more money (like when Rogers was supposedly dead for good). Also, the new Caps costum sucks ass compared so Marvel would have to be fools to not go back.

-Jason

Troy Wall
05-21-2010, 05:56 PM
I'm sure the book will be good 'cause Bru is writing it. But yeah, he has to be Cap again in time for the movie.

They coulda just made it a 12 issue maxi-series instead of pretending it's an ongoing.

Hey, you know what's odd? DC let Dick become Batman shortly after Dark Knight killed at the box office. And the ultra confusing, continuity laden RIP story was running while it was in theaters. Guess they weren't worried about hooking new readers that saw the movie. Could Marvel make a similar move with Cap?

Jason Powell
05-21-2010, 06:11 PM
I'm sure the book will be good 'cause Bru is writing it. But yeah, he has to be Cap again in time for the movie.

They coulda just made it a 12 issue maxi-series instead of pretending it's an ongoing.

Hey, you know what's odd? DC let Dick become Batman shortly after Dark Knight killed at the box office. And the ultra confusing, continuity laden RIP story was running while it was in theaters. Guess they weren't worried about hooking new readers that saw the movie. Could Marvel make a similar move with Cap?

I don't think so cause they would be crazy not to capatilize on his Image. See Batman, no matter who was under the mask, looked like Batman. The new Cap doesn't look like Cap so it will not have the same affect.

-Jason

Paul Sanderson
05-21-2010, 06:42 PM
I'm sure the book will be good 'cause Bru is writing it. But yeah, he has to be Cap again in time for the movie.

They coulda just made it a 12 issue maxi-series instead of pretending it's an ongoing.

Hey, you know what's odd? DC let Dick become Batman shortly after Dark Knight killed at the box office. And the ultra confusing, continuity laden RIP story was running while it was in theaters. Guess they weren't worried about hooking new readers that saw the movie. Could Marvel make a similar move with Cap?

True, but they're still going back to Bruce as Batman in the end. The same will happen with Steve as Cap, though whether it's before the movie comes out or after, I don't know. Most people in the biz knows that the movies don't add any extra readers to the comics, so it won't really matter either way.

Troy Wall
05-21-2010, 07:44 PM
Oh, I know Steve will be Cap again eventually, so don't get me wrong.

Jason: I don't think there's any mistaking James Barnes Cap for anyone except Captain America. The differences are very, very subtle. And the newcomer wouldn't even look twice at the fact that he carries a pistol.

ronin7
05-22-2010, 05:35 AM
Kids don't read comics because they are not marketed to kids anymore. That is the only reason.

Jason Powell
05-22-2010, 10:31 AM
Kids don't read comics because they are not marketed to kids anymore. That is the only reason.

Are you kidding me, if monkeys would buy comics they would make comics for them. Kids today just are uniterested in comics when they video games, computers, and tv to take up their time. Comics are made for and older audience now-a-days because that is who mainly buys them and even that is weak.

-JASON

ronin7
05-22-2010, 04:09 PM
Are you kidding me, if monkeys would buy comics they would make comics for them. Kids today just are uniterested in comics when they video games, computers, and tv to take up their time. Comics are made for and older audience now-a-days because that is who mainly buys them and even that is weak.

-JASON

That's the kind of thinking that enforces the idea. I've spoken to kids, and they ask me why comics aren't marketed to them? They see comics just like any other form of entertainment. Mindless enjoyment, and that is all comics are. They are not supposed to be heavily sophisticated. Nor would I call comics sophisticated anyways. Instead of being ashamed of what we produce, we should be proud of what we produce.

Unfortunately, it seems so many people see comics as slumming until something better comes along.

-Mick

Jason Powell
05-22-2010, 05:34 PM
That's the kind of thinking that enforces the idea. I've spoken to kids, and they ask me why comics aren't marketed to them? They see comics just like any other form of entertainment. Mindless enjoyment, and that is all comics are. They are not supposed to be heavily sophisticated. Nor would I call comics sophisticated anyways. Instead of being ashamed of what we produce, we should be proud of what we produce.

Unfortunately, it seems so many people see comics as slumming until something better comes along.

-Mick

How many kids? 1, 2, 5??? Kids think comics are cool, true enough, but it takes too long to produce them and kids attention spans are very short. Do you really think they are going to wait a month or two for the next 22 page comic, when they can get a 30 min tv show every week, or can buy a game which takes three or four months (or longer) to finish, or download music, games, porn, ect... all the time on the internet? Of course not! Comics are targeted towards adults because adults (in most cases) have a little patiance.

-Jason

ronin7
05-22-2010, 06:36 PM
How many kids? 1, 2, 5??? Kids think comics are cool, true enough, but it takes too long to produce them and kids attention spans are very short. Do you really think they are going to wait a month or two for the next 22 page comic, when they can get a 30 min tv show every week, or can buy a game which takes three or four months (or longer) to finish, or download music, games, porn, ect... all the time on the internet? Of course not! Comics are targeted towards adults because adults (in most cases) have a little patiance.

-Jason


Who says it has to be an either, or situation? I watch DVD's, listen to music, and read comics. I have done so since I was six years old, and never been an avid reader of them. I'm 29 and half now, and read almost everything by Byrne, Bendis, and Miller, and many others. Kids are finky, but so what. So are we. We bitch about content in comics, but we buy the content. The whole problem is no one wants to sell comics to kids because they think that outside of their nerd fraternity, they will look unhip. It's the whole clique mentality. Exclusion for the sake of exclusion. Kids will buy comics because they are seeking all means of entertainment. Will they come back for more? That's up to the content and the capability of the writer and art team. It may take time, but whose to say they won't become more avid readers in their teenage, or adult years? That's how Stan and Jack and company did it.

Everyone buys too much into Alan Moore's disdain for heroes and cynicism of society and morality.

Paul Sanderson
05-23-2010, 09:35 AM
I've worked in libraries for nearly 20 years. The graphic novel section in the Junior and Young Adult fiction areas are the most read sections by kids in our library, and that's echoed in other libraries as well (I used to work for a book supply company that supplies libraries with books and other material. I know what the demand is for such material). Trust me, kids are just as interested in comics today as they always were. Comics are just hard to find for many kids, who then look elsewhere for their entertainment (or get their comics at their local public library). But, as ronin says, kids can (and do) like a multitude of things - comics, video games, cartoons etc. etc. It's not a case of one or the other. Never has been.

Moonrider
05-23-2010, 01:54 PM
This explains why manga/anime is so popular these days because many of them are targeted for kids. Dumb toy commercial animes like Beyblade and Pokemon target them well, even Naruto with its pre-teen/teen audiences.
It will probably harder to keep characters such as Captain America interesting in the future, I'd say.

Jason Powell
05-23-2010, 04:34 PM
Manga are usually sold as graphic novels (it takes longer to read them) and come out a lot quicker (because in a lot of cases it is just a matter of translating issues from other countries).

Paul, kids are drawn to the comic section in Libraries because their choices are limited. Most kids would choose SPIDER-MAN over SHAKESPEARE any day. They do not have games, toys, tv, and internet in most cases to occupy themselves with. I am sorry, it is an either/or situation and comics just can't compete. That is why comics do so poorly now-a-days.

Like I said, if kids bought comics, comics would be targeted moreso towards them. It is all about money, nothing else. Don't fool yourself into believing otherwise.

-Jason Powell

ronin7
05-23-2010, 05:12 PM
Manga are usually sold as graphic novels (it takes longer to read them) and come out a lot quicker (because in a lot of cases it is just a matter of translating issues from other countries).

Paul, kids are drawn to the comic section in Libraries because their choices are limited. Most kids would choose SPIDER-MAN over SHAKESPEARE any day. They do not have games, toys, tv, and internet in most cases to occupy themselves with. I am sorry, it is an either/or situation and comics just can't compete. That is why comics do so poorly now-a-days.

Like I said, if kids bought comics, comics would be targeted moreso towards them. It is all about money, nothing else. Don't fool yourself into believing otherwise.

-Jason Powell


If that was the case, Jason, the library I visit wouldn't be constantly expanding its graphic novel collection. I have only suggested a few books here and there, but to my own astonishment tons of books are showing up in the library's online catalog. There's a demand there that comic shop owners and comic publishers are not seeing. They are too busy looking at the short-term gain. They could make just as much if not twice as much money by making comics available to kids.

There are a lot more smart kids who know the difference between right and wrong than kids who are trouble makers. We shouldn't be afraid of censorship groups by making comics available to kids again.

-Mick

Jason Powell
05-24-2010, 12:35 PM
If that was the case, Jason, the library I visit wouldn't be constantly expanding its graphic novel collection. I have only suggested a few books here and there, but to my own astonishment tons of books are showing up in the library's online catalog. There's a demand there that comic shop owners and comic publishers are not seeing. They are too busy looking at the short-term gain. They could make just as much if not twice as much money by making comics available to kids.

There are a lot more smart kids who know the difference between right and wrong than kids who are trouble makers. We shouldn't be afraid of censorship groups by making comics available to kids again.

-Mick

Are they expanding due to demand by kids or demand by adults? Think about that one. I do not doubt that Graphic Novels are the future of comics but will we ever compete with tv, video games, or the internet again. Doubtful... But that is beyond the point I was making. Go to any convention or ask any comic book store and I bet you will find their customers are 3 times as many adults as kids. Not that there is not a market for kids, obviously there is (DC has a whole kids line) but it is limited. Money talks guys. It is that simple. Comics make the most money from adults, that is why they target them. Like I said, if kids bought more comics than adults, then they would cater to them.

-Jason

Moonrider
05-24-2010, 02:18 PM
We're missing a point here. Kids don't buy comics, their parents do. Parents will only buy what they think is safe for their children, but not necessarily books that their kids would like. The fact is, kids will read anything with lots of colourful pictures in it. That's how I was when I was their age. But kids have no income, therefore I can imagine why they would rather read comics at the library (or wherever available) than asking their parents to buy comics for them. If comic books want to be read by more kids, then the industry should start catering their products to the parents.

ronin7
05-24-2010, 05:19 PM
Are they expanding due to demand by kids or demand by adults? Think about that one. I do not doubt that Graphic Novels are the future of comics but will we ever compete with tv, video games, or the internet again. Doubtful... But that is beyond the point I was making. Go to any convention or ask any comic book store and I bet you will find their customers are 3 times as many adults as kids. Not that there is not a market for kids, obviously there is (DC has a whole kids line) but it is limited. Money talks guys. It is that simple. Comics make the most money from adults, that is why they target them. Like I said, if kids bought more comics than adults, then they would cater to them.

-Jason

Kids from what I have ascertained, but I'm not a 100% certain. I do know that kids will read comics, that the only thing standing in their way is the publishers being gun shy, and parents being cautious about what their kids read. But, there's material in our industry that kids would enjoy and I think parents wouldn't throw much of a fuss about. Look at Invincible for example which has a cartoony art style that disarms the violence contained within it. Not only that, but not all parents are witch hunting, raving lunatics.

I don't believe in this Alan Moore stark cynicism. If you want to be cynical, and depressing why bother making comics, Jason? From the sounds of it, you don't think comics will last so you are obviously wasting your time.

-Mick