Heroes

[secret-identity]

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[Biofungus]

I get the impression that when the creators first came up with Sylar, they wanted him to be the existential "big bad". As time went on, I think they toyed with the idea of Sylar working on the side of the good guys. That's why a couple of things don't really "click" continuity wise.

And if that group of bad guys is being gathered by Pa Petrelli, how come Angela didn't see him in her first vision? And is he able to communicate telepathically, or is it Parkman's dad going into his brain and reading his thoughts?

[Eliseu Gouveia]

ZOMFG!

It´s Pedro!!!

[galmando]

Angels and Monsters didn't sit right with me

SPOILER FOR THOSE WHO HAVEN'T SEEN IT

but i just do not think that Hiro would so easily kill Ando like that, if in fact Ando is dead at all. i'm of the belief that there is some sort of plan devised by Hiro and Ando, but honestly i think i'm kidding myself there. it's just totally out of character, regardless of what 'sacrifice' Hiro felt he needed to make. it was just too quick.

as for Linderman, well, least we know why he's showing up. shame because i really liked Lindermans character, his manpulation and ideas are very seductive. shame he's not really there. so i imagine eventually he won't appear. boo!

Pa Patrelli is back, from the moment he was mentioned on series one, i knew they'd bring him in at some point. no-one stays dead if they die off screen!!! haha! but hope they don't play him out to be a complete bastard as the dream suggests, there is no cause that would cause a father to so brutally murder his children, i know in tv/ movie land these things happen but what i liked about Heroes was the humanity around the characters.

These level 5 villains are dropping like flies!!! with the latest just adding fuel to claire's fire which will eventually lead her down the dark side, but they are clearly going to blur the line between hero and villain for some characters and causes.

Sylar's sudden change is far too drastic for me. i appreciate he has hunger which causes him to then kill powered individuals to learn, but he seems to have gotten over it in a jiffy, not even a slight incling to take Stephens power. although i'm not exactly sure when he would have had chance to do this. but it just seems that he's taking to being a good boy quite well when he's been quite the nasty piece of work in the past. least Noah aint forgiving him so easily.

Peter's character suddenly got more interesting, he's really embracing his new ability aint he! it was quite a spooky scene with him and his mother, but again, Sylar just seemed too concerned too quickly for Peter, where has all that come from!! aaghh!

but the whole Hiro, Anda and Adam thing seemed a little like a farce and then of course Hiro killing Ando. i dunno....

[pi0trov]

Agreed about Hiro - I hope it was part of a plan, but I'd be surprised if they could come up with something that quickly, based on Hiro's track record.

My wife was thinking that maybe Hiro believes that Ando's "powers" will activate when he's mortally wounded, as he saw Adam's power manifest. But Hiro's not smart enough to realize that only works for the healers... I hope Ando sticks around, although I still think Future Ando was just Peter or Sylar or somebody else who looked like him.

Glad to see Adam back in action, though.

[Gonzogoose]

Hiro knows he can go back in time and save Ando. It was for show. At least that's what I think.

[galmando]

Hiro knows he can go back in time and save Ando. It was for show. At least that's what I think.

Hiro has catagorically stated that he cannot save people who die, like his father and Charlie the waitress, so i doubt that would be it

beside, going back and saving ando means he doesnt kill him in front of Daphne and the other geezer which means invarioubly that he would never have been accepted by them in the first place and therefore have no reason to go back and save Ando cuz he would never have been killed in the first place cuz Hiro would have gone abck to save him

but then i suppose that kinda paradox takes place in all time travels stories so feck knows!

[Gonzogoose]

Point taken. Maybe he hit him somewhere that won't kill him? I can't imagine Hiro just killing Ando though, regardless of the sacrifice statement. There has to be some angle there.

[galmando]

exactly! otherwise it's just shitty writing, aside from that i doubt Ando will be dead

[Moonrider]

but again, Sylar just seemed too concerned too quickly for Peter, where has all that come from!! aaghh!

Yeah I was like, oh he's faking it. But the scene where he rides the car with HRG and the part where he saved Claire made me think that this guy is going from bad to good real fast as he seemed quite sincere. But his smirk at the end gives me hope that this guy is still evil incarnate. Yeah, I like him more as a baddie than a goodie.

[Marrrrkie]

Hiro has catagorically stated that he cannot save people who die, like his father and Charlie the waitress, so i doubt that would be it

beside, going back and saving ando means he doesnt kill him in front of Daphne and the other geezer which means invarioubly that he would never have been accepted by them in the first place and therefore have no reason to go back and save Ando cuz he would never have been killed in the first place cuz Hiro would have gone abck to save him

but then i suppose that kinda paradox takes place in all time travels stories so feck knows!


Maybe he killed him so he could keep going with the baddies..
Get the info he wants.
And then he goes back and saves Ando.

Or.
Maybe he stopped time..
And since The speedster chick said she doesn't like killing...
Her and him came up with some sort of plan and Ando isn't dead.

I really don't know.
This episode wasn't one of my favorites..
I liked last weeks a lot more. :)

[Biofungus]

1] the writers are purposely trying to blur the line between heroes and villains. Maybe when Ando killed Hiro in the future, it was Ando who was the *good guy*.

2] it's possible Hiro found out what was going to happen, and went back in time and working with Ando, rigged a blood pack (he didn't stick the sword in that deeply).

Sylar is a clever bastard. He's not all "goody two shoes", he's just biding his time (working for the company now, he'll have access to all kinds of new powers he didn't even know about. So if he tows the company line, I'm sure he'll find a way to temporarily (like knock out) Bennet and take a persons powers if he wants it badly enough. Again however, it goes back to the "blurring the lines" theme.

Sylar also seems to have a certain knowledge/affection for Claire (being her Uncle aside, which I'm still doubtful of, although that *could* be a possible motivation). But again, that goes back to towing the company line and blurring the lines.

Admittedly some of the events (taking individually) may raise an eyebrow or two, but if you consider the season as a whole (and the themes the writers/producers are trying to incorporate into it) I think everything is rolling along nicely.

[grendel]

when did hiro gain the ability to transport others by aiming at them? and why could sylar hear the conversation between claire and her father and the worm tunnel guy...didn't he steal super hearing from the woman?

[Biofungus]

Was that woman's power actually super hearing? I thought it was something deeper. (Wasn't it more like an empathic ability, sensing peoples emotions?). I actually thought when Bennett growled "Kill him!" to the guy he was a bit loud (definitely audible from Sylar's vantage point, IMO). Because Bennett was talking about the guy killing Sylar and Sylar seemed clueless, but obviously afterwards knew what was going on, so I assumed he just heard Bennett's growl right before the guy sucked himself into his own vortex (imagine the garbage removal service that guy could have had! He'd have been a hero cleaning up so much waste!)

Btw, I don't think Hiro teleported anybody by aiming at them. He stopped time, ran over to the person, then blinked out as he's wont to do.

[Marrrrkie]

No, it was super-hearing..
Remember after small sounds were really loud to Sylar?

[Eliseu Gouveia]

I am SO mad at Hiro.
Guy put everyone at risk by opening the vault and allowing the formula to be stolen, then indirectly assisted in the theft of part 2.... everything he seems to do this season is screw up, all the while with a giddy "I wanna be a hero!" smile in his face GAH!


Speedster girl is pretty hot, though..... what is it with this show and blondes? I need to start making a list, there´s Claire, Nikki, Nikki 2, Speedster, Claire´s mom, Veronica Mars,.... who am I missing?

How about throwing in a couple redheads to balance the scales, right now it´s only Ma Petrelli and Maya holding Fort Brunette... ^_^

[grendel]

MAYA is the baddest female on the show(though a pointless character)..followed by claire...then veronica mars..
It was superhearing remeber he had to wear those headphones to drown out sounds..and he was walking thorugh the city listening to peter and claire.(from season 1)
The reason I say hiro aiming his teleportation is because e saw future peter do it to parkman when he sent him to africa. If they are going to evolve people abilities just warn us a bit. ( not that it is a big deal, just my inner geek).

[Eliseu Gouveia]

Nah, Veronica Mars is the resident badass, closely followed by Monica.

Too bad she´s M.I.A.

[grendel]

monica...hah no way...veronica mars is overrated...maya is the baddest chick period on that show her body alone is fantastic.

[Eliseu Gouveia]

That we can agree on, she is succulent.

[Moonrider]

Ha, episode 5 finally removed Mohinder's annoying little narrative!

[Biofungus]

Geez, Zeu, get a room... :rolleyes:

Grendel: It's possible that the power Peter was using wasn't Hiro's.

[Biofungus]

Ha, episode 5 finally removed Mohinder's annoying little narrative!
Well at this point, his narrative probably wouldn't be much more than semi-coherent grunts anyway :p

[Eliseu Gouveia]

Not too happy with Brundlefly Mohinder, but I guess it´s a form of character development.

Nathan´s new religious streak is bugging me a bit too.

And yeah, Sylar is changing way too fast for me. I liked him as a baddie, I liked the fact that I got nervous everytime he entered the scenne. I smell of a spikefication (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/BadassDecay?from=Main.Spikeification) in progress.

For a throwaway character, I liked Pedro, hope he comes back from the vortex eventualy.

Things I´m liking:

New speedster girl.
Secret baddies (guy doing the Purple Man number on Claire´s mom was disturbing)
The New Company.

[secret-identity]

And yeah, Sylar is changing way too fast for me. I liked him as a baddie, I liked the fact that I got nervous everytime he entered the scenne.

Good or not. Sylar still scares me a bit. He has the face of a guy that's up to no good. Even when he drives around and talks with HRG, look like any second he's going to kill him.


Secret baddies (guy doing the Purple Man number on Claire´s mom was disturbing)


I sweated and bit my nails with that scene. Crazy ish.

[Biofungus]

spikefication (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/BadassDecay?from=Main.Spikeification)

I just spent *hours* on this site, and barely even scratched the surface...

[Jasen Smith]

So far we seem to be dividing the characters and placing them on good and evil.

So far, we have:

THE VILLAINS
Arthur Petrelli
Maury Parkman
Daphne Millbrook
Benjamin Knox
Adam Monroe
Eric Doyle

THE COMPANY
Angela Petrelli
HRG
Haitian
Sylar (Gabriel Gray)

THE HEROES
Hiro
Ando
Matt Parkman

THE UNDECIDED
Claire Bennet
Nathan Petrelli
Tracey
Peter Petrelli
Mohinder Suresh

THE NOBODIES
Maya
Merideth Gordon

Who am I leaving out?
and yes, this was just for fun, not that its important.

[pi0trov]

Who am I leaving out?
and yes, this was just for fun, not that its important.
Elle. And Claire's mom. And Claude, where ever he is.

Also, Micah, who'd probably consider himself a Hero. And really, I see Nathan as more in the Hero column as well. He's confused, sure, but he's trying to do the right thing.

[galmando]

would Hiro be a hero at this point? he joined with Daphne and Knox so i think he may class as villain at the moment, although i'm sure he thinks he's doing the right thing

the prick

little trailer for ye here

http://www.heroesrevealed.com/

pretty kewl and Peter looks like he's taking Peter Parkers dark side tips - hair in the face!!! grr!!! oh, and plenty o' black.

BLACK LIKE HIS HEART!!!!!!

[Eliseu Gouveia]

I just spent *hours* on this site, and barely even scratched the surface...


LOL
Welcome to TV tropes, the site that should come with a warning:" Guaranteed to steal your time away" :har:

[Jasen Smith]

Seeing Hiro stab Ando means nothing.

Hiro could have frozen time, let Ando in on the stunt, and come back to that time to use a fake sword on Ando.

Ando will prolly just follow them and thus, the hero and sidekick bond is back.

[Buckyrig]

Seeing Hiro stab Ando means nothing.

Hiro could have frozen time, let Ando in on the stunt, and come back to that time to use a fake sword on Ando..

Daphne would have seen.

Although they could say that she did and that what she told Linderman/Maurey was just to keep up appearances.

I don't know. I assume it's not as it looks. Past that, I'm just going to let it play out.

[Eliseu Gouveia]

I don´t think Daphne could see.

Like Hiro´s, her power seems to require concentration.

Unless she activates it, she´s just a normal like you and me, able to be fooled by parlor tricks like anyone else.

[Wayne Drake]

the Cheerleader has a special message for you ;)

http://www.funnyordie.com/videos/df8d1f5b7d

[Eliseu Gouveia]

the Cheerleader has a special message for you ;)

http://www.funnyordie.com/videos/df8d1f5b7d

ZOMFG!

Hayden said the F word.

I feel dirty just from listening it, go to your room, young lady! :har:

[secret-identity]

the Cheerleader has a special message for you ;)

http://www.funnyordie.com/videos/df8d1f5b7d

"I'm Barack Obama, and I approve this message"

[Moonrider]

Not too happy with Brundlefly Mohinder, but I guess it´s a form of character development.


I get the feeling that Mohinder and Maya being developed that way is because the writers just don't know what to do with them. Maya was supposed to be an important cast during the virus arc but now her existence is somewhat purpose-less. The same goes for Mohinder, everything he set out to do besides making the genetic cure has been done by The Company. His condition doesn't really affect the general plot lines, and as Peter saw in the future he won't do much of anything anyway.

[Project: J-ko]

I get the feeling that Mohinder and Maya being developed that way is because the writers just don't know what to do with them. Maya was supposed to be an important cast during the virus arc but now her existence is somewhat purpose-less. The same goes for Mohinder, everything he set out to do besides making the genetic cure has been done by The Company. His condition doesn't really affect the general plot lines, and as Peter saw in the future he won't do much of anything anyway.

The virus arc was also not supposed to be cut short by the writer's strike. I think they're still picking up the pieces from that. Because of that, it feels like Mohinder and Maya are being forced along until they get smoothly rolled back into the big story.

[The Spirit]

I get the feeling that Mohinder and Maya being developed that way is because the writers just don't know what to do with them.
Think a lot of characters tend to do that on Heroes, I won't be surprised if the find a way to bring back Sulu AGAIN! The show suffers alot from not knowing what to do with a lot of characters, The whole Tracy Strauss thing seems like that as well as Nathan's religious experience "I think they want to make a point with that BTW". Hiro's missions always confuse me, he can bend time and space, he can always go back and get the other part of the formula when he knew where it was and hide it and none of this would've ever happened.

[Moonrider]

Don't forget characters like Deveraux and Claude. While Deveraux's power was never explained, his daughter is a totally throwaway character. The Irish girl is never mentioned again nor have Peter ever tried to look for her. 'Claude' never shows up anymore. I guess his fate is a lot better than the vortex guy, though I really wish they'd resolve that dangling plotline soon.

[Eliseu Gouveia]

Heroes could take a lesson or ten from Lost on how to handle a large cast of characters, a lot of the time they feel like they´re just wandering around with no purpose.

[Wayne Drake]

Sylar is my favorite. I like his new power; Boston-accent Cop :har:

[Biofungus]

Heroes could take a lesson or ten from Lost on how to handle a large cast of characters, a lot of the time they feel like they´re just wandering around with no purpose.
Ha!

Oh the irony. Lost can't handle a big cast. They just group a bunch of people together and occasionally single out one or two, while leaving the rest of the cast to just mope about, "surviving"...

[galmando]

i wish i was Lost with Kate.

we'd make babies.

all niiiggght!! :w00t:

[Jasen Smith]

Ha!

Oh the irony. Lost can't handle a big cast. They just group a bunch of people together and occasionally single out one or two, while leaving the rest of the cast to just mope about, "surviving"...

Actually, watch Exodus and Artz sp* will tell you otherwise.
He says they DO stuff too.... :p

[Gonzogoose]

Ok, so Pa Petrelli and his two sons Sylar and Peter all basically have the same powers, just used in different ways. Interesting.

[secret-identity]

With Peter powers now gone, looks like Sylar will finally get the redemption we been discussing by being the lead force of the heroes to take on these villians.

Hiro could have frozen time, let Ando in on the stunt, and come back to that time to use a fake sword on Ando. Ando will prolly just follow them and thus, the hero and sidekick bond is back.

nicely said. ;)

[Buckyrig]

With Peter powers now gone,

Well, explains the scar and permanent death for future Peter.

Nice to know the writing is less sloppy than I thought. :laugh:

[rummblestrips]

ouch!
Who's your Daddy?

[Jasen Smith]

Wow that last episode got me to thinking...

When the show started, Arthur Petrelli "died". Which was a cover up by a "Company" They hid him away so he couldn't be found.

Lindermon and the Petrelli's have a long history together so i'm thinking, how did Petrelli get so sick that he could only communicate telepathically? Did Lindermon stop giving him his healing treatments, thus causing the beginning of the cover up?

I also started thinking, if he wants ultimate power, has a formula that can grow powers, then maybe that's what Nathan's, Nikki, Jessica, and whoever else was apart of the baby testing, was made for. For Arthur Petrelli to grow super powered babies so he can take their powers.

It was cool how Adam died. Without his powers he aged however many years he was alive and turned to ashes.

Something that would be cool is if, Suresh gives Peter his powers back and when Peter comes face to face with his dad, his dad would think Peter was still powerless, but instead takes all his dads powers.
A huge fight against father and son...prolly ending in a huge radioactive explosion.

[Eliseu Gouveia]

Interesting... :)

http://www.etherlair.com/images/net/misterygirl1.jpg

[Biofungus]

Zeu, you're a horndog :p

I think that's Maya, btw.

[Eliseu Gouveia]

Well, she IS the only brunette walking around in the show. :har:

[Biofungus]

Actually neither of the brunettes are doing much walking lately ;)

[Wayne Drake]

one of you guys totally called the fake sword/blood pack thing. :har:

Daphne = total cutie pie

[Eliseu Gouveia]

Actually neither of the brunettes are doing much walking lately ;)


You´re eeevil. :har:


Yeah, forget Claire, Daphne is yummylicious and the one true contender for Veronica Mars´#1 spot.

[Jasen Smith]

Is that a painting of future Claire?

...You could see the fake sword a mile away :p

[galmando]

YAY! Hiro isn't a stone cold killer!!!

that's put my faith right back into the show. this episode was great!

i really hope Pete get's his powers back, maybe he'll be given some synthetic ones, it seems that Arthur is gettin rid of any potential threats, and also building up his power set.

wonder if Pete still retains the Intuitive Aptitude from Sylar? hmmmm

but as it were said, i think he'll get his powers back eventually, after all, future Pete could still time travel and do everything else, but then, the future isn't the same future so feck knows

really enjoyed this one

i just hope that eventually Peter goes a whole series being the baddest mo fo Hero in town without having some reason to not use his powers!!!

woop!

[galmando]

can't tell who all of these guys are

http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m291/galmando/villains.jpg

top left seems like Arthur, bottom left would appear to be Knox. i assume only

bottom right, the flame thrower? or is it Matts Dad?

top right, Sylar? usually looks like that when Time Sale paints him. Could be Nathan with the chiseled jaw?

and i wonder if this is a vision that has already taken place, or if Peter will get his abilities back and go brain surgeon, or does Sylar finally succumb? and just who is that headless fella!?

http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m291/galmando/idiot.jpg

[Moonrider]

can't tell who all of these guys are

http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m291/galmando/villains.jpg

top left seems like Arthur, bottom left would appear to be Knox. i assume only

bottom right, the flame thrower? or is it Matts Dad?

top right, Sylar? usually looks like that when Time Sale paints him. Could be Nathan with the chiseled jaw?

Dunno, but it could be Suresh although the skin color is a bit too bright.

[Biofungus]

I think the headless guy is Arthur Petrelli, or possibly Nathan, with Peter standing over him.

[Moonrider]

Wasn't that the picture that showed Peter almost dissect his brother's head in the future? I think the blood pool is just there for aesthetic reasons. I don't think the body is headless either. It was shown before in that future episode.

[Eliseu Gouveia]

Top Left = Petrelli senior

Top right = unknown baddie we haven´t seen yet

Bottom left = black guy who feeds on fear

bottom right = Parkman´s dad

This was by far the best epi of this season yet, funny, good pace, great character moments (Hiro VS Precog guy had me ROTFLMAO)


Not worried abotu Pete, Daphne is gonna save his butt and then he´ll have to go back to Sylar (i.e. work that brotherly love thang) to get a new power stock.

[Moonrider]

Wouldn't it be cool if Peter open up Sylar's head (or maybe Sylar permits him to cut his top off since he's now immortal) and relearned most of his powers? The hunger he took from Sylar may just be the key for him to survive, since it's more of a passive ability there's a chance Arthur Petrelli didn't take that one power away.

[Marrrrkie]

I think the bottom right looks more like the fire guy than Parkmans dad.

But i can't really tell.

[Biofungus]

I think you guys are forgetting a potentially nasty plot turn:

Arthur is like Sylar, only worse (he doesn't seem to genuinely want to 'control himself', he's way megalomanical and will stop at nothing), but now he has the hunger from Peter...

[Eliseu Gouveia]

since it's more of a passive ability there's a chance Arthur Petrelli didn't take that one power away.


I´m betting on Pete´s own copycat power which is a passive one as well.

[The Dag]

i think peter dad will just give him his powers back if he joins him...

[Biofungus]

Assuming he even has such a power...

[BJCochran]

So wow. I havent been around much (Was pretty sick and couldnt even get out of bed for a while) but I must say the past two episodes have renewed my faith in this series and the bitter taste that is season 2 is out of my mouth.

I think its safe to assume that at the end of this volume all the characters will meet up (In one form or another. Just like the end of season 1 and what the creators were trying to do for the second season). Where does everyone think Suresh (SP...) will fall in? Anyone think he will side with Arthur?

[Gonzogoose]

I think that's pretty much where his future self's guilt comes from is in aligning with Arthur and thus recreating the formula that makes the future what it becomes in that last reality we saw.

[The Spirit]

Hot Blonde Night.

Pretty good I thought, didn't see the end coming with Daphne tho.

[Biofungus]

A couple of "duh" things stood out last night though:

If Elle was causing the electrical problems at the house, who's bright idea was it to take an airplane? I think it's one of those issues where the writers throw out simple and obvious logic just to push a point (and a mild point at that, the interaction between Elle and Claire). And the second was Daphne. I think Arthur wants Matt to know what's going on (via Daphne's mind), because otherwise trying to "secretly plot" against him via Daphne is just plain stooopid!

I'm actually liking Sylar now, especially if it turns out he did purposely "lighten" Peter's fall. I do find it odd that Suresh was easily able to surprise, knock down, and beat him unconscious though (even though he couldn't kill him, but I don't think he knew that).

One thing that bothers me this season is the seemingly little impetus it's taking characters to do total about faces. Suresh was totally selfless, looking to follow his fathers research and help the people with powers as much as he could. Even just injecting himself prior to gaining powers was an about face for him, and since his powers, he's delved even further down that 180 path. Sylar was totally selfish (whether it was because of "the hunger" or not), and all it took for him to about face was Angela telling him she was his mother. I think Angela is one of the more interesting characters in that she probably is a lot worse than anybody really thinks, ie a little less one dimensional than many of the other characters are.

Hiro and Parkman seem a little too idealistic. It seems like a simple plot point in order to make them more vulnerable than they would potentially otherwise be with their given powers.

I still enjoy the show, but I feel it's starting to become convoluted (not uncommon with comic-esque formats, but because it's television, these characters have to be kept in the minds of the viewers. They can't really disappear for half a season then return again as if they just spent the past 6 month in the bathroom).

[Marrrrkie]

Sylar didn't know about Suresh's powers, did he?

It would've been easy for Suresh to surprise him if not.

[galmando]

Sylar didn't know about Suresh's powers, did he?

It would've been easy for Suresh to surprise him if not.

i agree, he would have never expected Suresh to so easily get up and pounce on him like that.

[The Spirit]

If Elle was causing the electrical problems at the house, who's bright idea was it to take an airplane? I think it's one of those issues where the writers throw out simple and obvious logic just to push a point (and a mild point at that, the interaction between Elle and Claire). And the second was Daphne. I think Arthur wants Matt to know what's going on (via Daphne's mind), because otherwise trying to "secretly plot" against him via Daphne is just plain stooopid!They do this on Heroes alot. They throw logic out the window and you have a alot of scenes where a character acts out of character to move the story along. I love having Claire and Elle together though, very easy to watch. They'll probably turn out to be long lost sisters. :laugh:

One thing that bothers me this season is the seemingly little impetus it's taking characters to do total about faces. Suresh was totally selfless, looking to follow his fathers research and help the people with powers as much as he could. Even just injecting himself prior to gaining powers was an about face for him, and since his powers, he's delved even further down that 180 path. Sylar was totally selfish (whether it was because of "the hunger" or not), and all it took for him to about face was Angela telling him she was his mother. I think Angela is one of the more interesting characters in that she probably is a lot worse than anybody really thinks, ie a little less one dimensional than many of the other characters are.I guess the impetus this season is to get the Heroes to be Villians and vice versa so the viewer doesn't know what to expect but Suresh 180 is hard to swallow, he was Very Idealistic before this, it seems they wanted to this old comic book trope "young Scientist tests unknown formula on himself and becomes a Monster" but it doesn't make sense, maybe the formula drove him Mad but there needs to be some indication in his character "maybe it's just the guy who plays Suresh can't act". I don't like Sylar becoming a good guy either his Momma's boy fetish is hard to watch.

Hiro and Parkman seem a little too idealistic. It seems like a simple plot point in order to make them more vulnerable than they would potentially otherwise be with their given powers.Hiro is getting dumber each episode, it drives me crazy, he doesn't deserve his powers.There are so many cases in this show where Hiro could do one maybe 2 time jumps and reset everything. This not wanting to travel to the past crap is stupid. He goes back to put a blood packet on Ando and get a fake sword and Adam was right behind him!?

He could've traveled back 10 minutes at Daphe's house the first time he went there and got the formula from behind the Mona Lisa once he saw where she kept it and ran away. For that matter he can travel back to that moment any time he wants and reset everything.

[secret-identity]

If Elle was causing the electrical problems at the house, who's bright idea was it to take an airplane?

How could she have possibly got thru the metal detectors and high security they have at airports?

[Moonrider]

Well that was a so so episode. They didn't even bothered to explain why Elle's power was acting erratically. Or...maybe that's the point. This 'black sun' African Issaac is refering to probably mean that a new eclipse is coming and that is what makes their powers start to go weird. Well at least now that Old Parkman is dead we know that the villains painting actually refer to Arthur, Mohinder, Knox and the flame dude.

[pi0trov]

Well that was a so so episode. They didn't even bothered to explain why Elle's power was acting erratically. Or...maybe that's the point.
I just figured it was a combination of her freaking out and overloading her powers on Level 5, and her dad getting killed pushing her already fragile psyche over the brink. I'm also assuming that her mental state might somehow influence her power....

[Eliseu Gouveia]

Maybe the Black Sun is coming and superpowers are gonna start acting up for everyone.


I just can´t shake the feeling that something bad´s gonna happen to Veronica Mars, hope they don´t off her, she´s my favorite part of the show.

Well, her and speedy girl.

She, VM and Claire should team up and form a teen superteam, Femforce 3! :har:

[Aidy]

watched Wedensdays episode and fuck me Robert Forrester? YEAH!!!! And he stole Adam's life force and Peter's powers? Bad ass...Peter was getting on my nerves anyway. Gonna get some t-shirts printed saying "Give Sylar a chance!!!"

[galmando]

She, VM and Claire should team up and form a teen superteam, Femforce 3! :har:

i gotta better ideas for them than that... :banana:

oh yeah! :w00t:

[Moonrider]

Maybe the Black Sun is coming and superpowers are gonna start acting up for everyone.


I just can´t shake the feeling that something bad´s gonna happen to Veronica Mars, hope they don´t off her, she´s my favorite part of the show.


She was considered to be offed in the middle of season two, so I've heard somewhere.

[secret-identity]

I just can´t shake the feeling that something bad´s gonna happen to Veronica Mars, hope they don´t off her, she´s my favorite part of the show.
:har:

Knox and Flint(flame guy) are both in the Primatech building. They'd kill Elle first chance they get, her being Bob's daughter. I'm afraid she'll be offed.

[CLU]

A friend of mine summed it up best for me; “Heroes is like WWE, you watch it in spite of yourself”. I use to like the show and hoped it would be character driven and interesting like its contemporaries Lost and BSG but…they’re phoning it in now.

[galmando]

are Sylars eyebrows getting bigger? my GF pointed it out also,

i've yet to post pictures for comparative analysis

hmmmm :huh:

[Biofungus]

Maybe he's like Samson, his powers are tied to his eyebrows. Want to defeat him? You can do so with a beard trimmer :laugh:

[galmando]

maybe so, ye just point it at him like he does his finger, then buzzzz across his brow!!

woosh!!!

i wonder if has anything to do with him getting them done for the part of spock, perhaps they tried to 'draw' them on!! :laugh:

or maybe me an the GF are seeing things!

[Moonrider]

You know when I think about it, the problem with Heroes is that they have too many ridiculously overpowered character. Sylar and Peter is chief among these people, and the rest of the cast are simple cannon fodder for them. Also, everything seem to be arching to the point that there are no ''save the world' theme in the show at all, it's basically just a family feud between The Petrellis which is apparently the most powerful clan in the universe.

[galmando]

a friend and work said to me 'do you think they just got lucky with season 1?'

actually it was Dismas who said this to me at work

but he has a point, i've been trying to think what i liked so much about series 1. and i think i figured it out, without sounding too corny, it was the humanity of the characters.

Nikki was struggling with her powers, her whole story was about keeping ehr family together, with the twist being thatt he whole family was superpowered and that she was the problem in the first place

you had claire actually in school!! being a cheerleader!! with the spooky dad who worked for a company, and even their story was about protecting the family

then you had Peter, i actually liked him more during series 1, he was this completely different guy who was trying to aspire to something greater, he was always giving lil bits of advice and generelly seemed like a complete optimist. i liked him getting used to his powers. he seems like a completely different character now.

generally the whole mood was different, everyone was getting used to their powers but very few of them have actually gotten past that point and embraced them. now it feels like a full on sci-fi show with lil drama as opposed to a drama with a lil sci-fi.

it was good that they have introduced a threat for when people reveal their powers, usually resulting in being shot or locked up, but out of that i would have liked to have seen more fear in the characters. see how they go about their daily lives fully aware of their abilities but unable to expose themselves completely, whilst trying to save the world

and dammit when is someone gonna get on that job?! hopefully they'll make a series that has nothing to do with the future visions

there's no mystery this time, or at least non that i care about, but others might so that may be an unfair comment, but when Sylar was intorduced it was brilliant, a shadowy killer offing special people. we eventually found out who he was when we were really wanting to. pa petrelli pulling the strings wasn't much of a shocker, i don't mean i predicted it but it just seems a bit meh.

i dunno, i think they've just gone a lil bit off the track with the show. i'm not saying i hate it i just think it could be so much better.

[MechaShiva]

If you have season 2 on dvd you'll see that the reason they got off track was because of the strike. The vile with the virus in it was supposed to hit the floor all along but if season 2 was going to be the end of the series they wanted to end it on a good note. That's how everything changed. I'm justifying them taking the characters way off track but that's the reason why the whole series pulled a 180.

[Knuckles]

Peter without his powers sucks.

[Moonrider]

Peter without his powers sucks.

His dad sucks for real.

[Wayne Drake]

Hmm, so this week was like a catch-up/tying loose ends episode...also the ending? OH SH!TS

[galmando]

i really enjoyed the last episode, probably because it was set for the most part during the events of season 1!! haha!!

is it me or is this show better when the characters don't actually use their powers?! i just like knowing they are there and they use them practically.

i had a feeling the train meredith was on would be the one claire walked through.

i thought when that guy started shooting things with his fingers that his power would be the one sylar uses to cut heads open with, that would have been cool - he pointed his finger and everything!

and Noah is a SOB man! i wonder why Sylar doesn't recognise Elle though? are we to assume the Haitian took his memory, he has been in contact with him in the past. or maybe he just hasn't had a chance to 'catch up' properly yet! ha!!

if they can keep the show going like this with the characters more human, then it should be awesome!!! i'm really looking forward to the episodes entitled 'the eclipse', i imagine they'll be some interesting reveals there!

[Biofungus]

I did find last nights episode more enjoyable than most of the rest of the season (and I have been enjoying it so far). I practically slapped myself in the forehead that I never thought "siblings" with Flint and Meredith (I did mention in an earlier post a possible connection though, but the specifics never occurred to me). So what exactly IS Mr. Petrelli's power? Is it the ability to absorb others powers? Meaning he probably got his 'insert thought' power from somebody else. Anybody else catch the reference to Claude? So it really wasn't long after he left the company that he trained Peter. OR... was he still working for the company when he trained Peter? Hmmm...

I don't think necessarily that Sylar didn't recognize Elle. His only "modern day" interaction with her seemed indifferent at best. I mean, he did seem mad at her, but he was pretty pissed at everybody at the time.

This episode was probably better because it involved what most people have been complaining the series was missing: character development (even if it was more about how the characters got where they are, rather than where they're going).

I find something else a little interesting: The aborigine got his head removed. We only see Arthur there. Does that mean that Arthur is the person Angela saw in her vision, beheading Claire? Or did Arthur take that power from the person who did it?

theory:
I think in the season finale, Sylar will turn on Arthur and kill him, thus re-establishing his bad assery. It's also almost a given that he kills Flint, or that Arthur takes Flint's powers and Sylar gains them when he kills Arthur

[galmando]

i think it's to be assumed that Knox was in the desert also

[secret-identity]

I dont know. The African (i call him, in relation to the Haitian) head wasn't just cut off like how Angela saw Knox do to Claire in her vision. And it looked like Arthur was pulling Hiro's head off at the end like he just pulled the African's head off. I'm probably wrong, but Hiro was screaming pretty loud.

And the African had all those clever funny paintings in the previous episode to capture Hiro, and also painted all of Parkman's journey in his spirit walk, but nothing on Arthur (and whoever else is with him, if any) coming to Africa and beheading him.

Cool episode though. And what did I miss to establish that Sylar will gain the blue flame-throwing powers?

[Biofungus]

When they panned out at the end, there was a rather large painting on the rock of Arthur with Hiro just like the actors were depicting. Everybody screamed when Arthur was stealing their powers, but you could be right about Arthur yanking heads off, which means Ando will have to interfere :)

[Moonrider]

Can't wait for Ando to learn the hadouken fireball technique :)

[Baron Spider]

i remember in a past episode of a painting of a bloody beheaded corpse.
i think it was when Hiro first showed up in Africa. or maybe it was Parkman

[Biofungus]

Can't wait for Ando to learn the hadouken fireball technique :)
Sylar had that same red energy power in the season one finale, so if Ando gets it, he might not be around that much longer afterwards...

[Moonrider]

Perhaps it's Sylar who give it to him?

[Jasen Smith]

So who thinks Suresh's powers are still "The Fly"
I think he is more of a spider, or just a straight out mutant with abilities.

I think Ando will get his powers from the formula, that formula comes from when Arthur takes Ando back to Primatech and uses him as a test subject.

With these powers Ando is sent out as a villian and Hiro must stop him without his powers...ultimatly he fails.

[Biofungus]

Suresh is still "the Fly".

Theoretically it's still possible that Hiro can activate his powers before Arthur absorbs them all (I think they'd kind of have to stop Arthur from absorbing Hiro's powers, because with them, the series is basically over. Arthur is unstoppable at that point).

[Buckyrig]

Arthur is unstoppable at that point).

He could still be stopped by his love for his sons and...oh geez! I jinxed it! They're actually gonna do that now!

No No No No!!!

:eek: :yuk: :eek:

[Biofungus]

Um, he tried to have his own son, Nathan, killed, and seemed to have no qualms about de-powering Peter.

Like I said, if anything they'll have Sylar kill him, but with Hiro's powers...

[Buckyrig]

You underestimate how hackneyed television can be. :laugh:

[Jasen Smith]

Arthur will be stopped by a human...HRG can take down anyone....ANYONE

[Biofungus]

You underestimate how hackneyed television can be. :laugh:
Underestimate? No, I'm just hoping they don't go that route :)

[Eliseu Gouveia]

Goodie two-shoes Sylar is annoying, I miss serial killer Sylar...

[Biofungus]

Relax, relax. They're building him up all this way for the purpose of re-badassing him at the end of the season.

[Moonrider]

Relax, relax. They're building him up all this way for the purpose of re-badassing him at the end of the season.

How do you know that? Although...I actually don't mind him drop the serial killer act, I think he was fast becoming a one dimensional character whose sole purpose is to ax people on the show.

[Biofungus]

I kind of like him as he is now, too. It just seems though, that they have to "return to the status quo" and some of the writing isn't all that complicated, so the Ocham's Razor theory states that Sylar will kill Arthur Petrelli.

[galmando]

apparently the eclipse affects their powers and/or gives it to them, so maybe with the coming eclipse Peter and co will regain some sort of ability, or maybe it'll screw with those who still have them?

[Biofungus]

The thing is, from my understanding, there was supposed to be more importance placed on the eclipse throughout the series, but since the pilot episode, it's been essentially dropped.

It's been used twice, but at no time to actually GIVE anybody powers, but rather it seemed to happen when a character realized/discovered his/her powers (Peter in season 1, Adam in season 2).

It *could* signify a new character, but it went from Peter (who is important, but now powerless), to Adam (who basically became fodder), so take it's significance with a grain of salt...

Also, for the record, I think the eclipse may have more to do with timing. In this case, Arthur's timing for his plans (since he's gaining some new powers, and potentially Hiro's power, which well, you know what I said about those before). Also, another thought occurred to me: Arthur might realize that Hiro doesn't have the power to actually see the future once he absorbs Hiro's powers, and thus doesn't kill him. However, by beheading the African, it suggests that Arthur (at the very least suspects/worries about) people regaining their powers...

[Jasen Smith]

Arthur is just an ultra powerful baddie and it can go several ways.

1) People get there powers back and have an all out throw down with the baddies.

2) A human like HRG kills Arthur and the rest of the villians bow down.

3) Peter takes his dads powers and tricks him into getting the life sucked out of him.

4) Sylar kills Arthur and himself at the same time to totally redeem himself.

[Biofungus]

What really lurks beneath The Haitian's cool exterior on Heroes? Jimmy Jean-Louis tells TVGuide.com that more details will emerge about the mysterious man who manipulates memories.

"We will get to know him in Haiti, get to know his brother, get to know him," Jean-Louis promised during a launch party for Gears of War 2. But he also lamented how little we still actually know about the Haitian as a person. "Does he have a girl? Does he have a few girls? Kids?" Jean-Louis asked.

"Down the line, it would be nice to have a storyline that makes him a little bit more human. Because he's very intriguing, but we don't know what he's up to when he's finished erasing people's minds. It's like, where does he go? Does he go to a club? Does he party all night long?" the actor chuckled. "It would be nice to answer all those questions."

Yet, Jean-Louis knows that finding answers for his alter-ego will have its challenges, particularly after the recent firing of two series producers. "It will take, obviously, excellent writers to write the storylines in such a way that it's not boring. Because the character is so well written so far that it's going to take genius to keep writing The Haitian in a very good way."

Jean-Louis has a few suggestions for the "genius" who may step in, and they echo what many of you are saying. "I'd definitely say, less action, and let's concentrate more on the characters," he said. "In the first season, we had a lot of storylines. And then, from time to time you had an action, and that's what got people hooked. But now it seems to be a little too much action, like you expect it. Every minute, there's some hero exercising his power. We have to reduce that a little bit, so when it comes, it surprises people."

I totally agree with his assessment of where the series "went" and what it needs to go back to (it's largely in line with what many people have been saying), but I disagree about how to handle his character. I think NOT knowing what the Haitian does in private makes the character a lot more interesting.

[The Spirit]

I think I know how Peter can get his power back. HRG told Elle a few episodes ago that Sylar could transfer power from one source to another, I think he'll turn on Arthur and Transfer all of Peters power back to him. Then he and Peter can be BFFs.

[Wayne Drake]

Sylar & Elle romance? HMMMMMMmm

[Moonrider]

Rumors have flown around that Sylar's kid in the future is his and Elle's. Hmm...don't know what to make of that.

[omega sentry]

Wait something doesnt meake sense here.... Adam is part of the villan gallary in one of the eps forshowing the future. Which would mean that papa petrelli never got out of that coma on that future.

So some one else was calling the shots in that future... however the future is now different. Adam is dead and papa is calling the shots. But their still going in the same dirrection with the whole formula scenerio.

Which only can lead to the fact that there is a key player that will come to play at some point. Which more than likely be the one to off papa petrelli and take control.

time travel complicates things way to much... :sure:

also on a side note, It's logical to assume that there is more than one person with the same power. cause there is always a seer, then there is the two fire siblins, clair and adam and the fact that sylar and peter had the same powers when they where fighting on a past EP that was yet another future forshadowing episode that never came to be. Isnt it logical that there will be an evil hiro type character....hhhmmm I would not mind seeing a dark evil hiro though.... :w00t:

[Buckyrig]

Why did Arthur take Hiro's memory, but not his powers? :huh:

[Justice41]

Is this show still on the air? Why?

[Buckyrig]

Is this show still on the air? Why?

To annoy you.

[Justice41]

To annoy you.
So it's still on? What a waste of good air time and money when they could put on another game show. Hell, where is Gordon Ramsey and his filthy restaurants?

[Lovecraft13]

Which only can lead to the fact that there is a key player that will come to play at some point. Which more than likely be the one to off papa petrelli and take control.

The series isn't as clever as it wants to be. Write off the paradox as sloppy writing.

[secret-identity]

Isnt it logical that there will be an evil hiro type character....hhhmmm I would not mind seeing a dark evil hiro though.... :w00t:

Let's not forget about the future where Ando kills Hiro. Maybe Ando was the good guy then.
& Arthur did say something like "sent you to do one little job" to Hiro when he was erasing his memory.

Hell, where is Gordon Ramsey and his filthy restaurants?

Kitchen Nightmares. :laugh: :laugh:

[Justice41]

Kitchen Nightmares. :laugh: :laugh:
Love that show. Completely put me off eating at Restaurants for awhile. :laugh:

[galmando]

Why did Arthur take Hiro's memory, but not his powers? :huh:

i think he was going to but got distracted by

A. Ando

B. The painting of the Eclipse

at which point Arthur was going back to Hiro but then Hiro vanished outta there.

i beleive in the original timeline Sylar may have gathered the Villains together, at least in Angellas dream it were, then Peter screwed with time and instead Sylar had become the good guy we all saw in Matts vision and when Peter was taken to the future.

i think the Ando killing Hiro scene was put in there as a plot device to build the anomosity between the 2 of them. not sure about that though

heck, i aint sure about any of this its just a thought! heh!

[omega sentry]

why does ando have to kill hiro??? all we saw was him knock him out...at which point every one dies...cause the world explodes

[The Dag]

Why did Arthur take Hiro's memory, but not his powers? :huh:


he already has hiro's powers... so why take something you dont need.

[omega sentry]

The series isn't as clever as it wants to be. Write off the paradox as sloppy writing.

:cry: then why is it that we can come up with all this nice lil plot twist and clever endings by our selfs and that hand full of hasbins get payed for a sloppy job????

I mean how many people write that show? you would think some one would spot the mistakes, or do they do it to annoy justice41 too... :blink:

[Buckyrig]

i think he was going to but got distracted by

It only took a second with Peter. I dunno...I know what you're saying is probably the show's reasoning, but still...meh.

he already has hiro's powers... so why take something you dont need.

So that Hiro can't use it anymore.

[Wayne Drake]

maybe he took Hiro's adult memories so with his child-like brain he wouldn't know how to work his powers, but he forgot Ando is there to re-teach him.

lovvvved when they popped into a comic store, I was like "COMICS! YAY!"

[Jasen Smith]

Did anyone notice the name of the comic shop?
Sam's Comics.
You think Jeph Loeb put that in there as a homage to his son who passed away?

I think the episodes that weren't touched by Loeb will get better, even if as a executive producer, I bet he still has his hands in everything.
(Sorry Jeph but you killed Supergirl for me and I will never forgive you for that)

Ok, so now the plot in heroes.

Arthur wants to take over the world and it's up to our heroes to stop him and his minions.

Company versus company.

Looks like it's going to be a war where heroes versus villains on the day of the eclipse.
On that day, is it the day where Claire will finally find her true calling?
Suresh will be able to use her as the catalyst and harness the mutation of super powers. Once he does, Arthur will start mass producing these mutants so he can harvest super powers.

Also, once Suresh figures out the formula, he can use it on Peter, Gabriel, and Nathan. Nathan has two powers now, flight and healing.

This episodes wasn't overall great but the fact that are FINALLY coming together is awesome.

[Biofungus]

Why did Arthur take Hiro's memory, but not his powers? :huh:
Arthur was still able to teleport. I'm thinking he took those powers from someone else already (agreeing with Omega's theory of more than one person with the same/similar powers). Maybe he didn't realize Hiro could manipulate time too (otherwise I'm sure he'd have already done it). There's also the possibility that he felt Hiro could still be useful in some capacity...

Now, what's with the Seer still "guiding" Parkman? Hmm...

[Biofungus]

It only took a second with Peter. I dunno...I know what you're saying is probably the show's reasoning, but still...meh.



So that Hiro can't use it anymore.
If you assume each power is like a puzzle piece, then identical powers have identical "pieces" and only fit a certain way. Reasonably, you can argue he can't absorb a power he already possesses because there's no "slot" to fill...

[Buckyrig]

Arthur was still able to teleport. I'm thinking he took those powers from someone else already (agreeing with Omega's theory of more than one person with the same/similar powers).

Yeah, from Peter. Who got them from Hiro.

There's also the possibility that he felt Hiro could still be useful in some capacity...

Maybe.

[Newt]

Mike225 told me to tell you guys that Heroes is for dweebs. Real men watch Naruto!

[Baron Spider]

Hiro was acting child like?
he seems as retarded as usual

[Buckyrig]

Mike225 told me to tell you guys that Heroes is for dweebs. Real men watch Naruto!

Nice try. But Mike is a huge Heroes fan.

In fact, he keeps sending me photos of himself dressed as Claire. :yuk:

[secret-identity]

Kitchen Nightmares
Love that show. Completely put me off eating at Restaurants for awhile. :laugh:

It should have it's own thread. hehe :har:

[Biofungus]

Nice try. But Mike is a huge Heroes fan.

In fact, he keeps sending me photos of himself dressed as Claire. :yuk:
Um... I hate to break it to you but... he's not cosplaying... :confused:

[galmando]

y'know i think i figured out a little why i'm not enjoying this series as much as series 1

this may sound weird, but series 1 felt like these characters existed in the real world with the rest of the world going around them, now it feels like the main cast is the population of the world and no-one else exists, the stories are centred soley around their powers and this little villain hero fight but it doesn't feel at all a threat to the rest of the world as it doesn't feel like they're in it, if that makes sense

man, i can't explain what i mean i don't think, the cast just feels smaller and not involved with the world

[MechaShiva]

y'know i think i figured out a little why i'm not enjoying this series as much as series 1

this may sound weird, but series 1 felt like these characters existed in the real world with the rest of the world going around them, now it feels like the main cast is the population of the world and no-one else exists, the stories are centred soley around their powers and this little villain hero fight but it doesn't feel at all a threat to the rest of the world as it doesn't feel like they're in it, if that makes sense

man, i can't explain what i mean i don't think, the cast just feels smaller and not involved with the world

I feel the same way. There was a good balance of human and super human. It seemed like there weren't that many super powered humans before and now it seems like they have been around all along causing trouble. I liked it better when the heroes themselves were still coping with having powers with Bennett and the rest of the company keeping things in check. I understand the series has to grow but I think they've gone way off base since season one.

[Mike225]

Nice try. But Mike is a huge Heroes fan.

In fact, he keeps sending me photos of himself dressed as Claire. :yuk:That was Trey.

[Moonrider]

I feel the same way. There was a good balance of human and super human. It seemed like there weren't that many super powered humans before and now it seems like they have been around all along causing trouble. I liked it better when the heroes themselves were still coping with having powers with Bennett and the rest of the company keeping things in check. I understand the series has to grow but I think they've gone way off base since season one.

Well, I'm enjoying the latest episode. Bu I agree there should be more non-powered character in the cast, Bennet doesn't had a big role lately and Ando is stuck babysitting our world's greatest hiro.

[HeagSta]

Here's what I'm not sure about. It seems as if Peter's powers have been taken away, but are they really? Why wouldn't pop Patrelli have taken his wife's ability to see into the future and then wipe her memory to remember she even had them in the first place. Why when Sylar opened up Claire's head and took her ability, did she still have it afterwards? And yeah, I know the "you're special" part. Furthermore, there's no reason why pop Patrelli would leave Hiro with his ability and make him think he's 10 years old. I almost think that he cannot take abilites, maybe only make people think that he has done so, some mental thing. To go even further, the only reason no one has the abilities of Sylar is because he killed them all. How did Elle keep her powers when Sylar "took" hers. Seems like powers cannot be taken permantly. Any takers??

[Moonrider]

Sylar doesn't 'take' abilities, he empathizes with them just like Peter. Soon as he knows how they work he can copy the ability to his own. Powers in Heroes are all related to emotions, therefore Sylar can understand Elle's powers after he understands how she feels. The reason he killed people is because he didn't know better and too blinded by rage to care about anyone. I think Peter didn't need to kill because he is more attuned to other people's feelings than Sylar.

As for Papa Petrelli, my guess is his main power is another form of empathy but it works only one way. Maybe it works by taking someone's memories and all the knowledge they posessed including how to use their powers, but he can choose which memories to wipe which explains why Peter still remember everything but the use of his powers. The reason why Pa Petrelli didn't just take his wife's abilities I think is because he tampered with her mind from afar, you need to be in close contact to wipe someone's memories. And, he still loves her to some degree.

That's my guesses.

[Biofungus]

Sylar explained to Peter in the future that his power was based on "understanding" (to which Arthur further defined it to empathy). It's not a matter of physically taking the power. It's just that Claire was the only one who survived the "process" that Sylar used to use to "understand" powers.

[HeagSta]

Good points in there. Either way, Sylar has different way of taking it. If seems like if he does the can opener on them, he can see exactly how to use their power, see how they work, and if he uses the empathy, like with Elle, he gets the power but doesn't know how to fully use it. Peter doesn't even need to know how they feel, if he is around anyone with a power, he absorbs it. Just like when he flew for the first time, he never knew Nathan could do that, and I'm not sure Pa Patrelli knows he can either. Moving on to the memory wiping of Angela, when her memories were being erased, Pa Patrelli was living with her, he was close. Agreed, he still likes her though. Either way, Peter better get his shit back in the next episode or I'm gonna get pissed. I'm still not sure why Pa Petrelli wants to be able to make new "heroes", he is the most powerful right now, wonder why he would try to make more competition.

[Biofungus]

I don't think he wants to make more to gain new powers, but I think it's more of a Magneto factor. Eliminate the normal folks, then the remainder with the powers will thank him for giving them their powers (or helping them 'see the light'). Remember, his goal (even though he and his methods are twisted) is to save humanity (you know, in that cliche, 'from itself' kinda way).

[Biofungus]

If Bennett pulls the trigger and suddenly everybody gets their powers back at that moment, I'm gonna be PISSED!

I think I'm also going to need a lot of convincing if he doesn't pull the trigger at all...

[secret-identity]

Nah, he'll fire and I think Elle is going to take the shot. Remember there's another drawing of Arthur's where Elle is down and Sylar is kissing her.

[Wayne Drake]

"I HATE Heroes"

AWESOME!!!

[Buckyrig]

Seth Green has plenty of Red Hulks. :laugh:

[Eliseu Gouveia]

What's up with peter´s mouth?

[Biofungus]

Yeah, it was the "Heroes" and "Robot Chicken" crossover (I'm pretty certain that other fella in the store is the guy who co-created RC with Green, Matthew Sein-something).

[pi0trov]

Yeah, it was the "Heroes" and "Robot Chicken" crossover (I'm pretty certain that other fella in the store is the guy who co-created RC with Green, Matthew Sein-something).
Nah, it was Breckin Meyer (star of such cinematic masterpieces as Road Trip). Though he's also done a lot of work on Robot Chicken as well.

[Wayne Drake]

HAHA. There's a Sam's Comics in Kansas. maybe it's like a chain of comic stores across the world of Heroes? :har:

[Moonrider]

Alright, how come nobody's asking just who exactly drew that newest 9th Wonders comic book? Isaac's been dead for one and a half season already.

[galmando]

i was wondering that for a while but just assumed it's the pages thahe gave that dude toward the end of season 1, he gave the guy some pages, plus the last issue he wanted publishing.

but it wasn't clearly stated either way, so i doubt they had this intention in mind but i think if they were going to explain it then that's the way they would go with it. he'd have had to have cranked out quite a few pages though!

honestly i can't see them explaining it though.

i'm guessing folk will get their abilities back, not sure about those who have already had them removed though. obviously anything relating to the dna of those with abilities is subdued (i.e Nathans synthetic ability and Mohinder), but i'm wondering if Gabriel will choose to have his ability removed, he's obviously happier without it, maybe he'll give in to that eventually?

and just how many places exactly is the totality of this eclipse taking place? everywhere is plunged into darkness and the sun is completely blotted out in various places across the globe, and it should only last 7 anda half minutes! must be one frickin special eclipse!

it's hard to tell if they are suggesting that the sun controls the abilities, kina like ol' Supes. no idea

[Biofungus]

Nah, it was Breckin Meyer (star of such cinematic masterpieces as Road Trip). Though he's also done a lot of work on Robot Chicken as well.
Was that Breckin? I was looking at the TV over my shoulder, I couldn't tell. Yes, he's done work in pretty much every episode of RC. I'm surprised he's not listed as a producer or something at this point...

[pi0trov]

Was that Breckin? I was looking at the TV over my shoulder, I couldn't tell. Yes, he's done work in pretty much every episode of RC. I'm surprised he's not listed as a producer or something at this point...Yeah. I noticed his name in the credits at the start (I think he was right after Seth), so I was just waiting for him to show up the rest of the show. I am kinda amused they got a couple of semi-fanboys to be the guys running the comic shop.

[Baron Spider]

i think PA Petrelli or maybe the Aborigine drew the comic. they have the same style

[Wayne Drake]

in Heroes everyone draws like Tim Sale :har:

maybe when the moon and sun cross paths it messes with their dna....nah, that's dumb :har:

[Buckyrig]

maybe when the moon and sun cross paths it messes with their dna....nah, that's dumb :har:

I think it's just another element they aped from Rising Stars. :laugh:

[Biofungus]

i think PA Petrelli or maybe the Aborigine drew the comic. they have the same style
I think the "style" is more a result of the power than the person.

Arthur was paralyzed until recently, then he pretty much took up megalomania as soon as he took Adam's powers. He had no time/way to draw the comic (besides, didn't he get that power from Peter, who got it from Isaac originally? So he didn't even *have* that power until like, a few days ago (in TV time)).

As for the African, he lives in the middle of nowhere. I kind of doubt he's drawing comics and then somehow getting them to an American publisher with any kind of decent schedule.

[galmando]

I kind of doubt he's drawing comics and then somehow getting them to an American publisher with any kind of decent schedule.

i have a hard enough time hitting deadlines now and i'm in on the web fer cryin out loud!

[Biofungus]

So Noah's a perv, because he obviously let Elle and Sylar go pretty far despite having them in his sites. I do find it stupid (ugh, the writing!) that he didn't just snipe them. And honestly, I think there was MORE than enough time for Sylar to ex-sanguinate before the eclipse was over...

Isaac must have been pretty prolific, because they were still publishing issues what, about a year after his death?

[Mike225]

Isaac must have been pretty prolific, because they were still publishing issues what, about a year after his death?Tupac wrote, like, two songs a day and I think they're still releasing stuff he put out.

I'm afraid this episode was a wash for me. The cable kept cutting in and out so I didn't see a whole lot of it.

[Wayne Drake]

man it rocked tonight! Sylar's gotta be the big bad again!!

[Moonrider]

Isaac must have been pretty prolific, because they were still publishing issues what, about a year after his death?

The weird thing is, the issue that tells the story of Hiro's first teleport to New York City in the cover is the very same issue that tells them to look for Matt Parkman just before the eclipse. Talk about condensed storytelling!

[omega sentry]

arent most comics condenced...compared to a show or movie?? maybe be it had extra pages being issue #1 and all lol...

But wow for guys that frequent a comic forum alot you forget that sometimes there are pages done way before any thought of publishing is involved...not to menssion delays in publishing and such....oh and getting a publisher is another issue.

so by the time all that happened, he more than likely had enough time to pump up a few comics before his death.... they could have been published by monthly....


syler being bad again, uhg way to soon for that if you ask me...

[Moonrider]

The problem is, the comic seem to have a very non-linear storyline and often used for deus ex machina. It's like the same comic can tell hundreds of story in a standard book format and always different everytime you read it.

[Buckyrig]

The problem is, the comic seem to have a very non-linear storyline and often used for deus ex machina. It's like the same comic can tell hundreds of story in a standard book format and always different everytime you read it.

Well, all the precog drawings and paintings could be seen as dei ex machinis. So, it's probably more a matter of taking that element out of the damn formula already. They killed another precog, so maybe they're done with that for now.

Maybe. :sure:

Sylar going bad again is at least another indicator that the future as so far revealed is less and less the one the show is headed towards.

Zeu's gonna be in shortly to express his displeasure with the death of Elle though. :laugh:

[Moonrider]

Forget Zeu, I'm pissed off as well! I mean...Sylar doesn't even have any more reason to kill her. He got her powers already, it's like he killed her just to make a point. AAAARRGGHHHH!!!!! No Elle...epic fail... :cry:

[Biofungus]

The weird thing is, the issue that tells the story of Hiro's first teleport to New York City in the cover is the very same issue that tells them to look for Matt Parkman just before the eclipse. Talk about condensed storytelling!
I don't think it was the same issue. They were scanning through ALL of the back issues. I think Breckin's character even mentions the number of the issue (since it's apparently not the most recent issue that he discovers that little easter egg in).

[Biofungus]

Elle's not dead. Sylar only sliced a little before he stopped and put his hand to his own head (as if he got a sudden pain or something). Then the scene panned away and we're left to wonder if he continued, or whatnot. Don't forget, Elle has her powers too, and it's been shown hers can be decently effective against Sylar (at least to the point of pushing him away), so I doubt she'd simply lay by and let him cut her noggin open.

[Moonrider]

I don't think it was the same issue. They were scanning through ALL of the back issues. I think Breckin's character even mentions the number of the issue (since it's apparently not the most recent issue that he discovers that little easter egg in).

Hmm...after I refer to the 'back issues' of Heroes season one, I guess it's not the same issue after all. The issue in Season 1 had Hiro in front of Times Square (isn't it? Never been to NYC). The recent one only have a yellow background. I think it was based on the 'Yatta!' scene Hiro did at the bowling alley.

So that means the comic book plot device will still be used time and time again until the series is cancelled, huh? :sure:

Elle's not dead. Sylar only sliced a little before he stopped and put his hand to his own head (as if he got a sudden pain or something). Then the scene panned away and we're left to wonder if he continued, or whatnot.

You're in denial. There's no scene where he put his hand to his own head. He just stop after it's all over and look up to the sky with a wild look in his eyes. Elle didn't scream a lot, that's all. She's still dead, or at least half her skull is wide open.

[Great Scott]

There is no death until we see an undeniably dead body...and even then the odds are only 50/50...have you never read a comic?

Hell, even Bucky finally came back.

[Moonrider]

Well, I certainly hope Elle isn't dead but Sylar's track record so far hasn't been favorable for the victims. Bennet and Claire did come back from real death, but I can't see Sylar using his own blood to bring Elle back to life. Though I really hope he'd do that next week.

[Eliseu Gouveia]

Zeu's gonna be in shortly to express his displeasure with the death of Elle though. :laugh:

FAAAK! ME! :yuk: :man: :mad:
I lost all will to live.

I´m barely surviving on a diet of Claire and Daphne suplements right now.

Anyway...
So, Isaak wrote a comic about the future, then Peter came back at the beginning on the season and changed said future and the comic still holds?

Hello?

[Moonrider]

Ha! The next season's slogan is already been named. "Find the messenger, save the world". :D

[Lovecraft13]

The comic book plot device was neat in the beginning. Using it now as forward action is just sloppy writing. And the quest begins to find the mythical last issue of 9th Wonders? Who's writing this junk? Why don't they just include the staff writers into the cast as oracles.

[JimiChanga]

I really want to like this show, I honestly do, but Heroes seems to be going out of its way to piss me off this season. The worst part of the last few episodes was Hiro thinking he was twelve years old again. It's like, great, take a character that was already mad annoying and make him more annoying by having him act like a little kid. Christ.

Also annoying: Sylar's nonsensical reversion to evil Sylar. That made absolutely no sense. He's been evolving as a character all season, to the point where the bastard is actually interesting again, and then he just decides to cut Elle's head to get a power he already has. Weak.

And finally, the whole eclipse thing. They better have a good Goddamn explanation for how this affects everyone's powers.

[Buckyrig]

And finally, the whole eclipse thing. They better have a good Goddamn explanation for how this affects everyone's powers.

You mean something like medichlorians? :whistlin:

Careful what you wish for. :laugh:

[magiktori]

I just wanted to say as a person with cerabl palsy the writers have no idea how it works. dapine should not be able to walk without the crutches unless she has a mild healing factor we dont know about. C.P affects the brain not the limbs, This has been bugging me for three days. :yuk:

[galmando]

don't the abilities stem from the brain?

it's hard to try and break down these subjects and put them into a realistic context when you're dealing with a show like this though, after all, it is science fantasy.

i see what you mean though

[Buckyrig]

I think Mohinder said something about the abilities being in the adrenal glands or something. But really, everything is controlled by the brain.

[galmando]

I think Mohinder said something about the abilities being in the adrenal glands or something. But really, everything is controlled by the brain.

true

mohinders such an ass

[Jasen Smith]

The thing with Issac making those comics is that it IS possible.
He could do an entire page, writing, inking, drawing, coloring it in just a few minutes.

So if he can make 1 page every 30 minutes and worked 8 hours a day, he could have 16 pages done per day. Since he is an artist I figure he would want to finish the job and complete the last few pages and cover in one day.

So 1 comic per day would equal out to about 90 or so days. There was like 90 issues right?

I hate Sylar more now than ever, I used to like his character even when everyone was hating him...now his character is crap.

I like the idea of the episode. The formula was there it just didn't deliver it very well.

The theme is, without powers who are they?
Claire finally learned what it was like to be normal and realized her faults.
Peter proved he can be a hero without being a god, he has a good soul.
Nathan going evil...I don't get it.
HRG realized he needs to put work on the side and take care of his family instead of seeking revenge.

[Moonrider]

Nathan's not going 'evil', he's disillusioned by what he now think is 'good'.
But honestly Pa Petrelli's plan makes little sense to me. More so is the fact that the 'heroes' think giving everybody powers would trigger the end of the world. Not World War Three kind of apocalypse, but the planet splitting in half kind of apocalypse. That I don't get. How? Why?

[Biofungus]

How did you come up with Issac doing an entire page in just a few minutes?

[Jasen Smith]

Because he made a series of paintings in a few minutes by dragging a brush across it...Peter did the same thing...they dont actually paint it it just materlizes.

[Mike225]

Because he made a series of paintings in a few minutes by dragging a brush across it...Peter did the same thing...they dont actually paint it it just materlizes.Heh.

[Biofungus]

It's TV. It was never a "few minutes", they just didn't show him painting the entire thing :laugh:

[Moonrider]

Probably because they didn't want to pay more for Tim Sale to hand model the painting scenes :D

[JimiChanga]

But honestly Pa Petrelli's plan makes little sense to me. More so is the fact that the 'heroes' think giving everybody powers would trigger the end of the world. Not World War Three kind of apocalypse, but the planet splitting in half kind of apocalypse. That I don't get. How? Why?

Wait, Pa Petrelli has a plan? Could have fooled me...

The whole "giving everybody powers = doomsday" thing actually makes sense to me. Look at the wide range of abilities that have already manifested. Some are relatively innocuous, like flight, while others could pose a clear and present danger to entire communities if not the world itself (Nuclear Ted from Season 1, Black Hole Guy from this season). If you gave 6 billion people superpowers, what are the chances one would be a steroided-up version of NT or BHG? Or someone who could trigger massive earthquakes? Or even worse, someone who has the power to make this season's storyline make sense?

[Moonrider]

Or even worse, someone who has the power to make this season's storyline make sense?

Well that would mean the end of the world for sure. :laugh:
But really, isn't it the same with or without the formula? The African Isaac's painting seem to imply that if the superpowered people in the world become too many, the earth would just crack open like a pistaschio. :blink:

[Buckyrig]

If you gave 6 billion people superpowers, what are the chances one would be a steroided-up version of NT or BHG? Or someone who could trigger massive earthquakes? Or even worse, someone who has the power to make this season's storyline make sense?

If you gave 6 billion monkeys brains, they could destroy the world. ;)

They're not explaining much of anything on the show. It could be that Arthur sees the imbalance of powers as being a problem. The powered people could essentially make themselves an aristocracy, placing the rest of humanity beneath its heels. The more dispersed the power is, the less likely that can happen.

Not exactly a new concept, just the application that's out of the ordinary.

Again, or course the show hasn't really spelled out much in the way of Arthur's motives.

[Jasen Smith]

If I had telekinetic powers, I would be a villain, and hold the world for ransom.

[galmando]

i'm assuming the world cracking open could be the result of someone's power going kablamo, maybe someone who is just too powerful.

if you watch season 1, Nathan says something during his election speech about his Dad always making the hard choices for what he felt was the greater good and that we all have that responisbilty, because of that i kinda accept his character making his recent decision - even though i think it's the wrong one, and i do think he came to his decision al ittle quickly, but then with the confines of a 40 minute show i suppose i gotta let it go a lil' bit.

Peter is so different this series, i know you could argue it's all character development, but he seems much less loving. i understand he is heroic and did very good deeds last episode, but the way his face is always straight with no expression, he just doesn't look at all like the pete from season 1. it could be the hair but the guys starting to stiffen up like Neo fer crykes sake.

i couldn't give a shit about Tracey Strauss, she hasn't even done what she said she'd do for Arthur, Nathan made his decision without her. ugh!

once the Fugitives story kicks in i hope we see these characters lying low and trying to live ordinary lives again, with no Future stories!!! gawd!

mohinders an ass

[galmando]

intervies is a little old but there's some interesting stuff about Fugitives that he spills on

Oh Greg, you silly billy... (http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/tv/a133704/greg-grunberg-spills-on-heroes-fugitives.html)

[Biofungus]

i'm assuming the world cracking open could be the result of someone's power going kablamo, maybe someone who is just too powerful.

if you watch season 1, Nathan says something during his election speech about his Dad always making the hard choices for what he felt was the greater good and that we all have that responisbilty, because of that i kinda accept his character making his recent decision - even though i think it's the wrong one, and i do think he came to his decision al ittle quickly, but then with the confines of a 40 minute show i suppose i gotta let it go a lil' bit.

I want to say it's worse, when you consider an eclipse generally takes a couple of hours, but the total blocking out of the sun (which is what was continually shown) only lasts a few minutes.

This makes me wonder one point: both eclipses were solar eclipses. What would a lunar eclipse do?


Peter is so different this series, i know you could argue it's all character development, but he seems much less loving. i understand he is heroic and did very good deeds last episode, but the way his face is always straight with no expression, he just doesn't look at all like the pete from season 1.

I think they're just trying to make him harder edged. He did go through some nasty sh*t (from the events of season 2 where he actually was briefly a bad guy, to the future stuff and seeing Claire, whom he really cares about, go all badass and kill his future self, then getting Sylar's power and even going as far as to snap Sylar's neck).


it could be the hair but the guys starting to stiffen up like Neo fer crykes sake. Well, there was a reason he played Sly Stallone's son in Rocky Balboa :p


i couldn't give a shit about Tracey Strauss, she hasn't even done what she said she'd do for Arthur, Nathan made his decision without her. ugh! Almost from the beginning, the writers seemed to want Ali Larter on the show for nothing other than eye candy. Even as Nicki/Jessica, her character never really helped progress the storyline (her 'husband', who was a significantly less important/focal character, did more for the story progression than any of her characters ever did.


mohinders an ass

I think when the status quo returns and people realize it was all for nothing, this is what this season of Heroes will be remembered for :laugh:

[secret-identity]

they are all from Krypton!
When the sun was blocked, the solar energy was blocked and that's why no one's powers worked. simple.

[Jasen Smith]

Maybe its actually one guy's powers.

The Guy
Powers: To give everyone abilities.
Weakness: Powered by the sun.

Or it's Galactus coming to eat earth.

[galmando]

I want to say it's worse, when you consider an eclipse generally takes a couple of hours, but the total blocking out of the sun (which is what was continually shown) only lasts a few minutes.

This makes me wonder one point: both eclipses were solar eclipses. What would a lunar eclipse do?


i also thought it were strange that the totality of the eclipse seemed to take place at multiple locations at the same time, something that is impossible for numerous reasons, but it is, i guess, only a plot device ;)

this 'The Hunter' could be interesting, seems like a replacement for the Sylar threat, as he doesn't seem as much as a threat to the heroes now. i guess it's because all of the mystery is gone and they don't want to get rid of him. problem is they're trying too many things with him to the point that they've taken away the bare essence of his character.

he really only had one real purpose, the unkown boogey man. i actually prefer to see his early journey into Sylar

[Moonrider]

From that Greg Grunberg interview,
It's weird - I can read minds, so I should be able to pick up on the fact that she's working for the bad guys, but I don't!

Heh. Just what I was thinking.

[Jasen Smith]

So is he admitting the show has plot holes.

I went on the Heroes forum and read that..

Q: Why did Arthur make Hiro think like a kid?

A: Arthur used the powers of the Haitian to take away his memory.

Then another question popped up.

Q: If Arthur has the power of the Haitian, where did he get them from? Because the Haitian still has his powers.

A: ....?

[The Dag]

So is he admitting the show has plot holes.

I went on the Heroes forum and read that..

Q: Why did Arthur make Hiro think like a kid?

A: Arthur used the powers of the Haitian to take away his memory.

Then another question popped up.

Q: If Arthur has the power of the Haitian, where did he get them from? Because the Haitian still has his powers.

A: ....?


maybe peter had the power..

[Eliseu Gouveia]

I think it´s cool that someone on that show has (sorta) a "superhero codename" but does the haitian even has an actual name?

[Lovecraft13]

I'd like to know what heroics the heroes did this season? They really don't do anything, do they?

[Biofungus]

Matt is the only person who really did anything (with his powers). Peter can be considered heroic for risking his life sans powers to help Nathan and the Haitian get away.

[Buckyrig]

I think it´s cool that someone on that show has (sorta) a "superhero codename" but does the haitian even has an actual name?

I thought they mentioned his name in the ep. Either way, I think it's hilarious that Peter referred to him as "the Haitian" while he was standing right there! :laugh:

Isn't that about the time to either learn his name or use it if you know it? :blink:

[Biofungus]

From the Heroes Wiki:

"While the Haitian's name is still unknown, seven different times his father Guillame addresses him as "Boy". (It Takes a Village Parts 1, 2, 3, 4), and (The Crossroads)"

I guess calling him "The Haitian" is a bit less offensive ;)

[The Dag]

i call him bald black guy #1.

[Jasen Smith]

maybe peter had the power..

How could he take them from Peter?

If the Haitian is around...Peter wouldn't have his powers...so couldn't take them from the Haitian.

[secret-identity]

How can the Hatian actually have his powers taken away. That's impossible, I mean from Arthur.
I think there is a loop hole, because remember in the flashback episode("Villians") Arthur only had the power of mind control, but somehow he recieved the power to take others powers in his coma by the time he came in contact with Adam.

[Jasen Smith]

Maybe his power was to take powers and he took Angela's mind control powers.
Then Linderman healed her and she had her powers back.
I think Linderman was always the good guy, if you read the comics, he is the one who wants to heal the world and Dallas "Arthur" wants ultimate power.

[Baron Spider]

are the Haitians powers mental?
i mean, does he consciously take powers away or do they go away when people are close to him?

[Jasen Smith]

I thought he had it on auto de-power.

[Jasen Smith]

I wish the season would get back on track. I wish they never revealed the ending to the first season...so we are all still wondering how the world ends and that it's still a threat.

After the first season ended it seemed to kinda be over.

[The Dag]

I thought he had it on auto de-power.

no he turns his powers on and off.

[Jasen Smith]

I found this on the wiki which may explain the writing.

However, Bryan Fuller, who was involved with the first season and wrote two episodes, will return to the series starting with the twentieth episode of the third season, since his series Pushing Daisies had been cancelled.[31] It has been theorized that Fuller was the one who made Heroes a success in its first season to begin with, his departure made it go downhill, and his return might put it back on track

[Jasen Smith]

no he turns his powers on and off.

Do we know this for sure?

[Biofungus]

I thought he had it on auto de-power.
Considering how the Haitian has more than one power, if the power null was automatic, shouldn't it negate his other power? (the memory removal power)

[Jasen Smith]

Hmmm good point.

Unless he has a third power to deflect power negation.

[Lovecraft13]

Bringing Bryan Fuller back to Heroes makes sense. Pushing Daisies is a great show. Why not cancel it, and bring him back to a crap show to dress up a turd in a tuxedo? After all, creativity shouldn't be rewarded, it should be punished.

[grendel]

nathan also flew with the hatian close to him in the last episode...suggesting he(the haitian) can focus the null powers.

[Scott James]

Isn't anybody sick of this show by now?

They have botched so many good ideas it is hard to see how they are going to pull it out of their arses when Fugitives starts next year.

I've washed my hands of this foulness.

[Biofungus]

If they didn't give Sylar those funny one liners ("Cake!") he'd be unbearable now. I blame Chris (The Spirit), as the writers obviously read his posts and decided to make Sylar un-redeemable :whistlin:

And the Peter/Arthur thing. Ugh. BACK OF THE HEAD you MORON! :mad:

[secret-identity]

If Claire can come back from the dead (due to her healing power) wouldn't Arthur be back seeing as Peter and Adam both had that same ability?

[Biofungus]

That's why Angela said "back of the head" ;)

Btw, I'm pretty sure that 'glow' that came out of Arthur will probably entail Peter getting his abilities back.

[Wayne Drake]

GO SYLAR!!!

Aw, man. wth? They're gonna build super soldiers. I bet the Heroes will league up and fight em an shit, nah...too comic booky?

Finally, that old bastard got his due.

[Moonrider]

Hiro suck! This season turned out to be dumber than the last!

[secret-identity]

That's why Angela said "back of the head" ;)

oh, right. of course.
must've had the TV on another channel when she said it. :laugh:

[The Spirit]

If they didn't give Sylar those funny one liners ("Cake!") he'd be unbearable now. I blame Chris (The Spirit), as the writers obviously read his posts and decided to make Sylar un-redeemable :whistlin:


Well, after Sylar had empathy for Elle and took her powers and cried I started feeling sympathetic for him, then 2 episodes later he was a villian again and Elle egged it on.
Sylar was pretty frikkin evil this episode.

[Lovecraft13]

Isn't anybody sick of this show by now?

I thought this show was silly since the middle of season one. And, um, Arthur going back in time to steal Hiro's... time travel abilities? That makes sense. Just like Mr. Fireball's remarkable recovery from the ICU from what seems like just a few days past serious blunt force trauma to the head.

[secret-identity]

I thought this show was silly since the middle of season one. And, um, Arthur going back in time to steal Hiro's... time travel abilities? That makes sense. Just like Mr. Fireball's remarkable recovery from the ICU from what seems like just a few days past serious blunt force trauma to the head.

Both are questions that raised in my mind immediately!
and how did Arthur know excatly when and where Hiro and Claire would be, and at the exact time Parkman, Daphne, and Ando reads the comic, at the exact time Hiro tells Claire he recieved the Catalyst?
:thumbsdown:

[Eliseu Gouveia]

"- Cake." :)

[The Spirit]

Both are questions that raised in my mind immediately!
and how did Arthur know excatly when and where Hiro and Claire would be, and at the exact time Parkman, Daphne, and Ando reads the comic, at the exact time Hiro tells Claire he recieved the Catalyst?
:thumbsdown:
Yeah that whole part was lame. I did like the moments with Claire and her Mom and Hiro and his Mom.
but i liked steel magnolias too

[galmando]

i don't like the way it feels to be heading

i know that's said a lot, but this whole possible super soldier thing, it just doesnt fell like Heroes, there doesn't seem to be any risk, or at least no feeling of one

this show was better when it was real people in the real world with extraordinary ablities, it was never sensational, the action was practical to the story and not just 'for the sake of it'

this doesn't feel like it's set in this wolrd, maybe they can turn it around, i don't know

it also feels like they don't know what to do with their characters anymore, originally i heard they were going to do seperate stories each season which focused on new characters, but everyone really liked the original cast

but look at it, you got Ali Larter who is back as a totally pointless character so far, replacing a character who just got interesting, she is essentially there because she's recognisable

Peter Petrelli, here's a character they don't know how to handle, season 1, gets powers doesnt know how to use them, fair enough. season 2, loses memory, can't fully use all powers, learnign how to use them, Season 3, loses powers, can't use them at all. they created a God and thought shit, technically he'd wipe the floor with all of them, lets keep taking his powers away somehow.

Sylar, this guy hasn't been interesting since series 1 IMO, he was okay as the guy who lost his powers in series 2 trying to get them back, but essentially, his purpose is over. he was the mystery element, the 'boogeyman'. he brought the suspense and had a great back story. now, he's pointless, but he's there because people like the character. i do too, but mainly when they show flash backs of how he came to be.

aww, i want it to be awesome again, that's all!!! :cry:

[The Spirit]

Peter Petrelli, here's a character they don't know how to handle, season 1, gets powers doesnt know how to use them, fair enough. season 2, loses memory, can't fully use all powers, learnign how to use them, Season 3, loses powers, can't use them at all. they created a God and thought shit, technically he'd wipe the floor with all of them, lets keep taking his powers away somehow.

Sylar, this guy hasn't been interesting since series 1 IMO, he was okay as the guy who lost his powers in series 2 trying to get them back, but essentially, his purpose is over. he was the mystery element, the 'boogeyman'. he brought the suspense and had a great back story. now, he's pointless, but he's there because people like the character. i do too, but mainly when they show flash backs of how he came to be.

aww, i want it to be awesome again, that's all!!! :cry:
Peter, Hiro, and Sylar are characters who suffer from Superman syndrome. You take a character who is a fan favorite, and then make them so powerful because they are "kewl" and take away all the interesting things about them. Superman, Wolverine, Magneto and then you have to depower them to give them some real challenges and try to make them interesting again.

Let's face it if Hiro sat down and thought about it for 30 minutes he could do 3 or 4 time jumps and change everything bad that's happened... But the show would be null and void.

[galmando]

Let's face it if Hiro sat down and thought about it for 30 minutes he could do 3 or 4 time jumps and change everything bad that's happened... But the show would be null and void.

yer, but at least with him the character made somewhat justifiable reasons about what he is willing to do when he time travels, its a way of handling it it think

[The Spirit]

yer, but at least with him the character made somewhat justifiable reasons about what he is willing to do when he time travels, its a way of handling it it think
It has to be. No one wants to watch a show where the Time traveler goes back and fixes everything unless it's a show only about the Time Traveler. Heroes does have some possibilities that other shows don't though. If they ever go way too far in the following seasons they can pull a "Dallas" and have Hiro go back and change the past so entire seasons never happened and it could actually work.

[Biofungus]

It has to be. No one wants to watch a show where the Time traveler goes back and fixes everything unless it's a show only about the Time Traveler. Heroes does have some possibilities that other shows don't though. If they ever go way too far in the following seasons they can pull a "Dallas" and have Hiro go back and change the past so entire seasons never happened and it could actually work.
...and he'll keep hoping that next time will be the leap home.


:p

[Scott James]

Season One was perfect. The Second Season slump was almost inevitable yet it still had its moments.

But Season Three has been so chatoic, confused and badly plotted that it makes Lost seem downright linear.

The saving grace has been Sylar - his transformation from villain to anti-hero and back again has clearly been well-thought out if a little heavy-handed in its execution.

But what has be done with Hiro and Peter has been down right criminal. The writers are the real Villains. But since both characters are seemingly incorruptible, they were both going to suffer because this season was meant to be about exploring the dark side.

Robbing Peter of his powers was a great idea but it was done with Sylar in Season Two and was not executed any better then.

There is still time for the show to be saved - Lost itself is an example of how a show can Jump The Shark and then jump back over it again - but it is hard to see how the show can pick itself up and put itself back together.

[Buckyrig]

Personally, I don't think the show's quality has fluctuated nearly as much as most others do. I like the show, but I was never gaga over it, even in the first season.

It feels as if they planned the first season out because they knew they had to pitch it...and since then they just keep writing and then figuring out what to do as they go along. A lot of the "planned" things just don't seem planned. I know the strike messed up the second into third season plans, but still...

I get the feeling they couldn't have told you that the show is where it is now if you asked them where the show would be by Christmas before the season started. (That sentence is horrible. Sorry.)