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shushubag
06-19-2008, 04:39 AM
OK I finally did my first double-paged splash. I'm happy with the artwork but I'm not happy with the way it came together. That was a bitch. Piecing 4 different pieces together in photoshop.

How do you guys get the image together nicely with a small scanner? Well not small the normal sized 8 x 11 scanner.

Here's the picture. I just want to know how to make the pieces match up nicer.

http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i289/MasterShu77/Pono%20Loa/Pages2and3copy.jpg

Calloway
06-19-2008, 05:26 AM
Make 8 scans. all 4 one way and 4 more upside down. Assemble the good parts.

shushubag
06-19-2008, 06:53 AM
What do you mean upside down? Can you specify please. :)

Calloway
06-19-2008, 10:20 AM
Ok. I recently did a 11 x 14 inch piece.

I scanned doing what you did. I then rotated the page so the art was upside down when scanned. I did two scans like this (maybe a couple extra for safety...I think).

Of course this caused certain areas to be re scanned BUT that's what you want.

Take the upside down scans in photoshop and rotate them right side up. Make a new project with the measure of the page as a whole.

Go to each scan and copy them and paste them one by one. Match up all the line work by zooming in real close to a target area.

Flatten the layers and ta dah! The entire piece.

shushubag
06-19-2008, 07:20 PM
Thanks I'll try that.

Biofungus
06-19-2008, 09:49 PM
I think he's talking about how the scanner tends to change the color on the page a bit. Like when you scan part of it, then shift the paper to scan the bottom half, yet one has more of a yellowish tone in the white areas. Unless your pencils are really dark and can be survive adjusting the levels/curves (to clean up the white areas), multiple scans like Greenie suggested might be the way to do it.

The other option, would be go get good copies made, but reduced to 8x11 paper (remember: color copy, one shade darker makes good pencil copies), then you should be able to scan them and piece them together much easier.

compton
06-20-2008, 09:13 PM
that 4 piece thing is how I do it too but often I'll go through with an eraser at 50% and try to blend some of the edges. then after wards I adjust the contrast and then convert to black and white

Calloway
06-20-2008, 09:29 PM
the 4-8 piece thing , I find, is tons quicker on big pieces.

jakebilbao
06-23-2008, 02:54 AM
oh man, does anyone know how i do it? :)

that is, if the power will hold here. :cry:

jakebilbao
06-23-2008, 04:05 AM
ok, here we go.

this is how i scan a double page spread:


first, we need the double page spread:

http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b42/jakebilbao/IMG_3679.jpg
in this case, this is a spread from a bloodrayne issue i'm doing.


next, we need a scanner:

http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b42/jakebilbao/IMG_3677.jpg
this is my scanner, yup, the cheap one. i still haven't found the big one for sale locally.

an important element when using this scanning method is this:

http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b42/jakebilbao/IMG_3678.jpg
a paper weight. something heavy enough to put some weight on the edges of the scanner but not too heavy to break the scanner glass.



:)

jakebilbao
06-23-2008, 04:10 AM
we first take the first page and place it on the scanner bed like so:

http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b42/jakebilbao/IMG_3681.jpg
http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b42/jakebilbao/IMG_3682.jpg

this is how it should look like:
http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b42/jakebilbao/IMG_3683.jpg
we first scan the top part of the artwork first.

we close the lid:
http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b42/jakebilbao/IMG_3684.jpg

and place the paper weight on the upper left side of the scanner cover.
http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b42/jakebilbao/IMG_3685.jpg


and also apply pressure with your hand on the lower left side of the cover.
http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b42/jakebilbao/IMG_3686.jpg


then press scan in photoshop. do not take your hand off until the section has been scanned.

jakebilbao
06-23-2008, 04:12 AM
for the second section, the middle part of the page, this is how the paper weight must be positioned:
http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b42/jakebilbao/IMG_3687.jpg

same position on the paper weight for the last section of the page.

http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b42/jakebilbao/IMG_3688.jpg

jakebilbao
06-23-2008, 04:19 AM
http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b42/jakebilbao/IMG_3689.jpg

for the second page, it is basically the same process but with a slight variation on the position of the page:


http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b42/jakebilbao/IMG_3690.jpg
http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b42/jakebilbao/IMG_3691.jpg
we first scan the bottom part of the second page first.

same as the first page, this is how the first scan should look like:

http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b42/jakebilbao/IMG_3692.jpg


and paper weight placements should be as follows:
http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b42/jakebilbao/IMG_3693.jpg
http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b42/jakebilbao/IMG_3694.jpg
http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b42/jakebilbao/IMG_3695.jpg




if anyone can teach me how to take snapshots of my screen while doing the layering process in Photoshop, i could tell you guys how i combine all the scans . :)

Calloway
06-23-2008, 07:36 AM
hit screen capture then open a new document in PS and paste.

jakebilbao
06-23-2008, 01:48 PM
thanks eggman! :)

ok, now that you have already scanned all six parts of your two pages:
http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b42/jakebilbao/scanning01.jpg

take the upper most part of your first page and set the canvas size to 17x22.:
http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b42/jakebilbao/scanning02.jpg

oh, set the anchor arrows as seen on the pic above so the first image would be positioned as so:
http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b42/jakebilbao/scanning03.jpg

this step is very important, because this will eliminate the dark laine in your final scanned art:
http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b42/jakebilbao/scanning04.jpg
using the marquee tool, just select the part of the artwork starting about an inch and a half down. doing this will stop you from selecting parts of the paper that are not touching the scanner bed.



copy the selected area then paste it onto the previous window.
http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b42/jakebilbao/scanning05.jpg


knowing about the steps above is a big help in having better scans.

i'll just post the screen shots i got and wait if you guys have any questions.

http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b42/jakebilbao/scanning06.jpg


http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b42/jakebilbao/scanning07.jpg

jakebilbao
06-23-2008, 01:50 PM
http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b42/jakebilbao/scanning09.jpg


http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b42/jakebilbao/scanning10.jpg


http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b42/jakebilbao/scanning11.jpg


http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b42/jakebilbao/scanning12.jpg


http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b42/jakebilbao/scanning13.jpg


http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b42/jakebilbao/scanning14.jpg


http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b42/jakebilbao/scanning15.jpg


http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b42/jakebilbao/scanning16.jpg


http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b42/jakebilbao/scanning17.jpg

Biofungus
06-23-2008, 09:47 PM
Now explain to me how I can do it on mine. My scanner doesn't open at the top, it opens on the side (Like a book) :laugh:

jakebilbao
06-24-2008, 12:49 AM
Now explain to me how I can do it on mine. My scanner doesn't open at the top, it opens on the side (Like a book) :laugh:


:laugh: buy new scanner. :p



just kidding, bio. my girlfriend once scanned my work using one of those, she had to scan it four times. but the selecting and cutting of the parts must be the same as i mentioned above. DO NOT SELECT AND COPY THE PART OF THE SCAN WHERE THE PAPER DOES NOT TOUCH THE SCANNER BED. :)


hope this helps. :)

Biofungus
06-24-2008, 01:48 AM
Oh snap!

:laugh:

Seriously though, the Mustek A3 USB model on Amazon.com for 180. That's mighty tempting...

The problem with my scanner, and don't get me wrong, I love Epson, but it doesn't even scan the entire glass! The instructions actually say to line up the paper with the guide, then slide it out and away from the edge a bit because it won't scan the entire edge. WTF?! Either have the scan wand scan edge to edge, or make the glass smaller (by covering the outer area with plastic), but if I have to scan anything and make sure it's exactly (like comic pages that can't "tilt" any), I have to create my own border, and it's not as easy as it sounds!

jakebilbao
06-24-2008, 02:03 AM
yup, mine doesn't scan the whole glass bed. what i do is, as illustrated above, i position the paper so the edge that won't be scanned is the edge that does not contain any important art.

if you look closely, the edges where the first page meets the second page, the edge is scanned inside the bed. cutting the unwanted portion the scan in PS is easy, than adding parts of your art that didn't come up in the scan. :)

i use the nearest (to me) plastic border of the scanner to line up the edge of the paper. so i wouldn't have to rotate it in photoshop when combining the scans. :)

Magilla1973
06-24-2008, 02:13 PM
Seriously though, the Mustek A3 USB model on Amazon.com for 180. That's mighty tempting...

Is A3 the size to get for eliminating the extra steps on the double splash page ?

Calloway
06-24-2008, 03:39 PM
Yes, because you can scan each sheet (page) by itself. The scanner is 11"x17" the size of a work page for most. Double page is just two of those pages taped together. I wish I could afford an A3 scanner. Save me so much headache.