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Poladium
05-07-2008, 04:15 PM
Greetings!

I believe that this forum has many talented artists and some of them might be able to help me with one anatomy issue--female perineum area.The thing is, that there are no tutorials on how to place this part of the body correctly.
I`m sure there`s a common rule (or style) on how to draw it corretly, based on the bone structure of the pelvis and its muscles and fat tissue.
The attached sample shows this area from different angles plus (upper part of the page) some pelvis models,easy and complicate.
I`d like to ask those who "know how",to show the inner structure of each figure (from 1 to 6).There must be some universal way on how to draw female pelvis and it`s tissues,since those figures were taken from different artists but have many common elements.
Hope to see your ideas and drawings with explanations in this topic.

P.S: Please,avoid making posts like: "Go and watch some porn","Buy one more book of Anatomy", "Study some photos", "Find a girl" and so on. I do know how to construct the body (with almost all muscels on),I`ve studied MANY books of anatomy not to metion the amount of porn I`ve seen. :har:
I need your professional help with examples.


http://img294.imageshack.us/img294/8708/070520082130240041qh8.jpg

Big-B
05-07-2008, 04:35 PM
wow, your looking for a tough answer for this one. And I know you don't want to hear about looking for a girl or getting a book or pictures. But that is how we learn to draw through observation and trial.

I went to figure drawing class and there where men and women posing with the save views as your looking for. The only real difference between a man and a woman in the are is width of the pelvis, and the testies.

Your drawings look ok so far, but seems to be a little too exaggerated and make more attention out of the area then needs to be.

I am going to link some sites to look up and post an example for you. Now some of there are medical sites so you can learn the muscles in the area and anatomy.

http://www.doereport.com/generateex...L=4294967295&A=

http://www.fotosearch.com/LIF137/ga314006/ <---not for kids

http://www.fotosearch.com/LIF137/ga316005/

Picture bikini:
now in the pic it is not overly visible, and in most cases it is not, so when your drawing, please take that into account.
( I know there is a lot of horney and lonely artists out there so whatch what you use as a refrence.)
http://bp1.blogger.com/_zU4vC1J0FP4...oshizawa-29.jpg

http://bp3.blogger.com/_zU4vC1J0FP4...mitokito-25.jpg

hope this helps.

jakebilbao
05-07-2008, 04:39 PM
ehem.....thanks brad...those last two links were very informative. :w00t:

Big-B
05-07-2008, 04:51 PM
lol trying my best without being a perv. It is a sensitive subject and area. So needs to be treated with respect. I think I did a ok job. If not I am sure some girl will slap me or I get banned. lol

Poladium
05-07-2008, 04:56 PM
Big-B - Thank you for the links (even though some of them are not working).The thing is, that I do know the muscles as well as bones in this area.I can even recommend this nice place (http://www.visiblebody.com/) to study anatomy, it is fully interactive, works in 3D from your browser and ..Ok,just check it out.
The question is: what is the artistsic way to show this area, how do artists show this part of the body in one and the same way, how do comic (or anime) artists manage to deal with this complicate part of the body so easily, while drawing from their mind?

jakebilbao
05-07-2008, 04:58 PM
yeah actually you did a terrific job. you do learn a lot from references. :) you could learn a whole lot about the human anatomy from reference pictures of actual humans. videos are also helpful. :) i sometimes catch myself staring at other people as they move, because i want to learn how their movements work and interact with the other parts of their body. :)

carynord
05-07-2008, 05:02 PM
Are you serious?? lol.

khoipham
05-07-2008, 06:06 PM
Are you serious?? lol.

haha. that was my reaction.

Poladium
05-07-2008, 06:13 PM
khoipham and carynord -- no flooding, please. Keep your "lol reaction" inside. Otherwise you look like kids.

Newt
05-07-2008, 06:23 PM
You're sure getting off on the right foot. :slap:

Most illustrators tend to de-emphasize the perineal area, showing a smooth curve from butt to belly, or avoid showing it altogether. I think your drawings are pretty accurate, though you are perhaps curving into the mons pubis a little abruptly.

khoipham
05-07-2008, 06:27 PM
it's a public forum, my man. :)

and the reason for my disbelief is that this thread just seems like a way for you to get artists to draw naughty bits for you. these aren't even your studies. post your own art and have others critique or draw-over those images. this way is just strange.

kdmelrose
05-07-2008, 06:30 PM
This is ... weird. And kind of creepy.

Big-B
05-07-2008, 06:41 PM
you owe my girl a thank you. And every artist draws the area diffrent. no magic skill or wa to draw it.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v307/big_b_utah/sketch10.jpg

Poladium
05-07-2008, 06:41 PM
khoipham - open your eyes wider and you`ll see my studies on the page.
The idea of "naughty bits" is funny, try to search on Playboy.com.I`ve created the topic not for some erotic contest, but to learn the inner structure of this part of the body, with bones and muscles. Big-B `s got my idea right, why can`t you?

Jason Copland
05-07-2008, 06:43 PM
This is ... weird. And kind of creepy.oh, come on, Kevin.... :p

kdmelrose
05-07-2008, 06:46 PM
This should be in the Taint Tips section.

Poladium
05-07-2008, 06:47 PM
My best wishes to your girl from my girl and myself, Big-B.)
It`s nice to see,that some people do understand what this whole conversation is about.
As about "magic skills", I won`t be so sure.There`s at least some common way to construct the basic shape for this area.Give me a few mins to do the sketch for the explanation.

khoipham
05-07-2008, 06:51 PM
khoipham - open your eyes wider and you`ll see my studies on the page.
The idea of "naughty bits" is funny, try to search on Playboy.com.I`ve created the topic not for some erotic contest, but to learn the inner structure of this part of the body, with bones and muscles. Big-B `s got my idea right, what can`t you?

if YOU can't see how some might greet your request with a bit of reservation (and disbelief), then i suppose we'll have to agree to disagree. good luck. :)

edit: i just checked out your other posts, and it appears that you are genuinely trying to learn. so i apologize for making light. but i don't care what you say, taken out of context, asking folks to draw just the cooch is strange.

Jason Copland
05-07-2008, 06:53 PM
This should be in the Taint Tips section.I wanted to give you some rep points for that post but I have to "spread" some around first! :laugh:

Poladium
05-07-2008, 07:29 PM
you owe my girl a thank you. And every artist draws the area diffrent. no magic skill or wa to draw it.

Ok, here`s a quick sketch.As you can see, different artists still have many lines in common. Their vision is based on good knowledge of anatomy, yet they do add something else. They understand the very form of this part of the body and the way it reacts to different body movements.
So I wonder what that form is.

http://img168.imageshack.us/img168/2651/08052008119130042pz7.jpg

Poladium
05-08-2008, 01:55 AM
Any comments, suggestions?

carynord
05-08-2008, 09:23 PM
Dude, you got it. You really, really got it. It's not that difficult and certainly nothing that you have to have a conference about.

In my entire 15 yr career I've only had to draw something like this ...uh, never.

There's about a million websites that can help you with this and they all start with 'xxx'. Pick your favorite word for the area in question and google it, man... then draw to your hearts content.

dano
05-16-2008, 10:52 PM
This thread is AWESOME!
This is ... weird. And kind of creepy.
Creepy in an awesome way?! :laugh: