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Mark Bertolini
04-28-2008, 10:57 PM
I personally hated the following:

Cromium covers. Charging an additional 2 bucks to get the shiny crap on the cover doesn't do it for me.

The Bad Girl craze of the late 90s: hey, who needs plot and story?

Those dudes who thought it was a good idea to shoot a bullet through their comics. How does that make it better?

j giar
04-29-2008, 12:20 AM
Gimmicky covers period....I once worked on a book for a new company. They did the first book as a lenticular cover. I penciled the second entire issue..only to have the backers see the sales figures for the lenticular covered rags and pull out...shutting everything down.... :man: I hate gimmicky covers.

Biofungus
04-29-2008, 12:47 AM
Gimmicky covers, I agree.

And zombies. I mean, as a story component, sure. But it got to a point where everybody had to have some kind of zombie story, no matter how badly shoehorned it was into whatever comic's continuity.

MARS
04-29-2008, 02:34 AM
I'm not a fan of these "re-cap" books really or whatver BIG event is going down.Yknow what i'm sayin'? The ones that have MU secret file stuff and "commentary recap" on what was already told? and tacked on- This happened in 1964 stuff.

To me- it takes the fun out of "comic collecting". Seeking out that issue. If the story works then i don't need to know what happened when Miracle man meet the FF the very first time. If i'm really into the character and into comics- i'll look into it on my own.

With trades out on the shelves at every book store- it allows people like me (who lose track) to skim and "catch up".

Who buys these things?

Total gimmick.

M.

Mr.Musgrave
04-29-2008, 02:38 AM
Uh...new readers?

MARS
04-29-2008, 02:40 AM
And zombies. I mean, as a story component, sure. But it got to a point where everybody had to have some kind of zombie story, no matter how badly shoehorned it was into whatever comic's continuity.

I AGREE.

I am SO sick of zombies.

I don't get it. What's the appeal of this? Why?

The Marvel zombies thing BAFFLES me.It's like spanish fly for nerds.

M.

MARS
04-29-2008, 02:45 AM
Uh...new readers?

uh...You think?

Wouldn't you (if you were in marketing at MArvel) put these books out for free? I don't see them on the racks at the newstand at say Borders or Virgin. That's the mecha of new readership right there.

I see trades and the Essential Collections that get bought up like hot cakes and i think those are solid ideas on marketing.

If it was so important to uphold the old classics for the "new readers" why create the Ultimate line?

Wasn't that suppose to directly marketed towards new readership?

M.

Mr.Musgrave
04-29-2008, 08:42 AM
uh...You think?

Wouldn't you (if you were in marketing at MArvel) put these books out for free? I don't see them on the racks at the newstand at say Borders or Virgin. That's the mecha of new readership right there.

I see trades and the Essential Collections that get bought up like hot cakes and i think those are solid ideas on marketing.

If it was so important to uphold the old classics for the "new readers" why create the Ultimate line?

Wasn't that suppose to directly marketed towards new readership?

M.


And all of that is why you're obviously not in marketing. :rolleyes:

Raven
04-29-2008, 08:47 AM
Uh...new readers?

Like this one?

I heard he was making his way into town for Free Comic Book Day. Boy is he going to be mad when he sees all the ads in those things.

http://z.about.com/d/paranormal/1/0/s/A/patterson_bigfoot_lg.jpg

Tom Noir
04-29-2008, 08:49 AM
And all of that is why you're obviously not in marketing. :rolleyes:



Man, why do you have to be such a dick all the time? Just because you put a smily face there doenst mean your points not getting across. So not everyone knows as much as you about everything why don't you just relax? We'e all here to have fun and good discussion and you always try to ruin that.
It's like my mom used to say: if you dont have naything good to say, don't say anything at all.

Aidy
04-29-2008, 08:53 AM
i think you'll find Thumper's mum said that...stop taking all the credit for the good work of Rabbits!

Mr.Musgrave
04-29-2008, 09:02 AM
Man, why do you have to be such a dick all the time? Just because you put a smily face there doenst mean your points not getting across. So not everyone knows as much as you about everything why don't you just relax? We'e all here to have fun and good discussion and you always try to ruin that.
It's like my mom used to say: if you dont have naything good to say, don't say anything at all.


And as I've said: If people don't know what they're talking about, they should keep their mouths shut.

And I'm perfectly relaxed, thanks. Tell your Mom I said hi.

Raven
04-29-2008, 09:50 AM
It's like my mom used to say: if you dont have naything good to say, don't say anything at all.

Without complaining and porn, there would be no reason for the existence of the internet. By taking away peoples right to complain online, you threaten the very fabric of the internet, message board complaining is the nerve system of the entire internet community.

Aidy
04-29-2008, 10:00 AM
look if there isnt a hot looking 90's style bad girl with a big jacket in it and a bagged crome gatefold cover with a trade card...i aint buying.

Mark Bertolini
04-29-2008, 11:27 AM
i think you'll find Thumper's mum said that...stop taking all the credit for the good work of Rabbits!




:laugh:

Paul Sanderson
04-29-2008, 08:32 PM
My latest bug bear is the constant publishing of event storylines every year that constantly run into one another, effectively giving us a storyline that rages for years on end, always promising that 'things will never be the same again' and proving to be worse than a daytime soap. Neverending! Yuck! :yuk:

MARS
04-30-2008, 12:44 AM
And all of that is why you're obviously not in marketing. :rolleyes:

Uh...Actually before comics came along i a nice career in marketing at a lil' itsy bitsy company called L'Oreal.And was a marketing rep up and down the east coast for body,skin care,and hair products of one of their sub companies. I actually remember sending Ed Bloodranye specs from their fax machine in Philly.

Our focal point was on sun protection products.I could tell you about UVA and UVB damage all day.


So---um.

yeah the name of the song you just heard was :"Ch-Ch-Check yourself before you wreck yourself "because i have worked pretty much every job known to man from assembling coffee vending machines for Amsterdam to shampooing hair.

;)

M.


M.

Mr.Musgrave
04-30-2008, 12:50 AM
You could tell me about UVA and UVB damage all day...but those aren't comics, are they?

MARS
04-30-2008, 01:02 AM
On another note-

I want to apologize to everyone for this...But i do want to say this publicly and i'll roll out.

Someone help me figure out why the moderators and whoever the powers that be allow the constant baggering that goes on by Musgrave.

It's ridculaz and i want to know how this dude can send me a threatening PM message and not get shit for it?

Seriously?

now i've gotten Pms from other board members telling me to leave it or ignore him because he's got "personal problems" and he lives at home still whatever...

But what's up with that...where can i make a Mr. Musgrave complaint about that?

And what's in the mindset of me (and others) just ignoring it because Musgrave "means no harm" and his negative shit is "good for the threads nonsense?

Someone please tell me exactly "what" does he contribute again to these threads other being a whiney b-otch and name calling? Don't get me wrong i think it's everybodies right to complain and bitch and moan on the internet but if this dude is PM'in me isn't that harassment?

what's up with that?

Moderators check me mail if you want to see. Or i can post it here for everyone to see it.

You picked the wrong dude to pull that shit with.

Moderators what's the deal with that?

M.

MARS
04-30-2008, 01:03 AM
You could tell me about UVA and UVB damage all day...but those aren't comics, are they?

Dude. Seriously get out of your mom's basement and get laid.

M.

Mr.Musgrave
04-30-2008, 01:06 AM
Ahaha! Threatening PM. Grow up, junior. I told you ONCE that you don't know a fucking thing about art. That's hardly threatening. And it was the truth. And now I'm telling you that you don't know a fucking thing about comics.

Why?

Because you've demonstrated a severe lack of intelligence. You don't want to be treated like a moron? Don't fucking act like one.

Of course, you fail to mention the PM you sent back and how you attempted to "call me out" with that Silver Surfer pic on the Art Board. What's the deal with that?

Moron.

Mr.Musgrave
04-30-2008, 01:08 AM
Dude. Seriously get out of your mom's basement and get laid.

M.


Ah! A "your mom" joke. Damn, you are a sharp wit. Obviously I was wrong in my initial reaction to your severe mental retardation.

That's sarcasm, by the way. I know you have trouble keeping up.

MARS
04-30-2008, 01:14 AM
Lame.

M.

Mr.Musgrave
04-30-2008, 01:18 AM
DAMN! Another stinging attack! I am so taken aback, I may actually slip into a coma.

Here we go again. I typed it extra slow just for you: You don't want to be treated like a moron? Don't fucking act like one.

Time for bed, waste of space. It's been a while since I've had to put one of you drooling chimps on ignore. Do try not to infect the board with too much of that "know it all about nothing" attitude of yours. But, if we need any sunscreen or the coffee maker breaks we'll know things will be okay. The comics, on the other hand, seem to be up shit creek.

Calloway
04-30-2008, 01:48 AM
I did like hologram covers but that's about it (well gatefold covers too).

The biggest gimmick I hate are multi issues/series crossovers for more then one month. Sorry, you can cross over to the crappiest comics in your company but I don't want to pay money for it just to read a whole story.


Multi series on character or team. I got really sick of x-men in the early 90s because of this. Spiderman came in a close second.

Lovecraft13
04-30-2008, 02:43 AM
Worst trends? Weekly comic books series like 52, Countdown, and Trinity are becoming rather lame.

Biofungus
04-30-2008, 02:56 AM
Making the worst trend in comics currently... DC comics? :huh:

:D

ponyrl
04-30-2008, 03:04 AM
reality oriented comics.

I mean, COME ON! :laugh:

Paul Sanderson
04-30-2008, 03:24 AM
Yep, well said greenie/Joshua.

Tom Noir
04-30-2008, 12:44 PM
DAMN! Another stinging attack! I am so taken aback, I may actually slip into a coma.

Here we go again. I typed it extra slow just for you: You don't want to be treated like a moron? Don't fucking act like one.

Time for bed, waste of space. It's been a while since I've had to put one of you drooling chimps on ignore. Do try not to infect the board with too much of that "know it all about nothing" attitude of yours. But, if we need any sunscreen or the coffee maker breaks we'll know things will be okay. The comics, on the other hand, seem to be up shit creek.



You know what I don't get? You constantly make yourself out to be some kind of expert, but you never prove that anything you're talking about is true. It's easy as shit to say "You're wrong, you know nothing about marketing", but do you? You never backup any of your bullshit statements, you just get off on making yourself out to be a big man on a COMIC BOOK WEBSITE. Well, congrats, you are definately the COOLEST guy to ever grace this forum.
And this BS about personal problems? We've all got personal problems, that doesn't justify you being a dick to everyone here who's just trying to have a good time and have some intelligent discussions.
Now go away.

twistercomics
04-30-2008, 01:09 PM
You know I normally don't weigh in on these type of things but I think everyone is getting way to sensitive about things here. People have opinions and thats fine. Some people are abrasive and some are not. Who is to say who is right and wrong about this topic or that topic when its all about our "opinions".

The worst trend to me is how in a shrinking market like comics, how we have a continuing growth of people that have such a sensitive streak to anything that is outside of their idea of the norm to comics. Shrug, makes no sense to me.

The worst trend in comics to me was the massive overprinting of comics to show high volume and inflate their "monthly sales"

just my 2 cents

Austin Janowsky
Artist of stuff

www.myspace.com/twistercomics

MARS
04-30-2008, 01:34 PM
The worst trend to me is how in a shrinking market like comics, how we have a continuing growth of people that have such a sensitive streak to anything that is outside of their idea of the norm to comics. Shrug, makes no sense to me.


www.myspace.com/twistercomics

I totally agree with that statement. The one thing that irks me about most publishers (say 95%- i have found only two to date that i feel kinda sorta stand alone in what they put on the table) is that the have this particular idea of being innovative- and most of their product is a re-hash of what the other company is doing over there. BUT they try to sell me on it that it's somehow different just because it has "their" moniker on it which some how says it's true.

That bugs me. If you say you are into "progressive new and different" ideas- than be about that.

M.

ponyrl
04-30-2008, 07:52 PM
They're reprinting the first run of YOUNGBLOOD.


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jeffo46
04-30-2008, 08:09 PM
Some of the worst trends in comics? Boy,where do I begin? How about Marvel canceling long running series like Daredevil and ASM,and restarting them with new 1st issues just for the sake of a buck.That and all the gimicked covers that were so prevalent in the 90's,along with the special polybagged issues,along with all the goddamm X-men and Wolverine crossovers.Those,and having Musgrave spew his bullshit diatribes on here! :banana:

Newt
04-30-2008, 08:18 PM
Here's a trend that I don't feel strongly about, but I don't think makes much sense: redundant rendering with inks and colors. Traditional inking techniques like hatching, feathering, and spotted blacks overlaid with painterly colors are kinda silly looking, in my opinion, and are an inefficient use of artists' time.

I think many artists and publishers will come to realize this soon; advances in technique will catch up with advances in printing technology. More books will use either old-style ink renderings with flat colors, or new-style painterly colors with ink restricted to contour work (probably mostly the latter when it comes to the mainstream publishers).

deathdealer
04-30-2008, 08:27 PM
what i hate the most is when characters don't progress...how long have some comics out there been running?? and none of them age a single day
those kinds of comics are stagnant, the story never seems to go anywhere...there's hardly ever any real movement forward in their lives

another thing that bites is all these reinventions & continuity changes...cool once, stale twice & just putrid after that. if i were in charge i'd kill off so many books it ain't funny, i'd set a goal to bring closure to most of them within a 3 years

Mark Bertolini
04-30-2008, 08:46 PM
How about bringing in new creative teams that stink up what was once a decent book?

I'm thinking Ultimates 3 here.

Mike225
04-30-2008, 08:52 PM
I'm thinking Ultimates 3 here.What is that? :laugh:

Raven
04-30-2008, 09:49 PM
what i hate the most is when characters don't progress...how long have some comics out there been running?? and none of them age a single day
those kinds of comics are stagnant, the story never seems to go anywhere...there's hardly ever any real movement forward in their lives


My characters age, I've made certain of that.

UNCTarheel
04-30-2008, 10:54 PM
My characters age, I've made certain of that.

The move to realism could force the larger publishers to do this one day in the future, people are getting to where they mind less and less something ending!

Mark Bertolini
04-30-2008, 10:56 PM
What is that? :laugh:


Something that makes great TP.

yellowphantom
04-30-2008, 11:21 PM
geez...i'd better post my two cents here before this here thread is locked...

...okay...worst trends....i think most of the ones i agree with have already been posted..

good girls trend in the 90's
gimmick covers
limited series that tie into every monthly title the big 2 publish
the belief that all comic collectors live in their mothers basement
the re-re-rebooting of titles
that terrible teenage radioactive martial arts (insert animal here) craze of the 80's





http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/wp-content/2007/03/Hamsters%20A.jpg

Biofungus
04-30-2008, 11:25 PM
Scanned that cover from your own personal collection, eh?

:p

yellowphantom
04-30-2008, 11:33 PM
...naw i swiped it from google...
...but i do own some...Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles, Adolescent Radioactive Black belt Hamsters, Geriatric Gangreen Ju-Jitsu Gerbils, Boris the Bear,
and many more black and white independants that you couldn't GIVE away today...





http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/1/12/Boris_the_bear01.jpg/180px-Boris_the_bear01.jpg

BJCochran
05-02-2008, 10:17 PM
Unfortunatly I was just a teen during the 90s so I helped out the 90s craze for multiple covers (Sorry guys).

But somethings I cant stand-

-Multiple covers. Why have 7 different variants for a comic that sucks? Just why?

-Summer Events. Once in a while they come out decent and I guess are needed. Civil War was awesome (Except for some of Mark Millar's writing this was an event that was needed in the Marvel Universe). But was House of M needed? Is Secret Invasion needed? Was World War Hulk needed (Well it was but it didnt have to be a summer crossover like this)? Was Onslaught needed? Hell was Inferno needed? NO. The one thing I give kudos to the Xmen books for was because Messiah Complex was great and was just in Xmen books.

-Marvel. I am a self-proclaimed Marvel Zombie (Everyone has their faults) but how can they cancel decent comics like Captain Marvel, X-Man but yet some slack named Howard Mackie (Spidey fans will agree with me here) take over all the Spider-man titles and do half assed storylines in this book?

I'm sure there are more I cant stand. Like Rob Liefield, and or the original Image team, and how there are delays in comics (Why not wait until the whole series or storyline is done than release it?). Also writing for trades? Why?!@?!?!?!?!?



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Mark Bertolini
05-02-2008, 10:56 PM
I know what you mean about the 90s crap, I bought a ton of it.

Back then, I practically bought every comic book Image produced...I'm ashamed to say.

Thank God for Preacher, or who knows what crap I'd be reading today.

BJCochran
05-02-2008, 11:01 PM
Hahaha yeah. If it wasnt for discovering Sandman a few years ago (I know I'm a late bloomer. People kept telling me it was good, I just never was interested. Plus I was a horrible Marvel Zombie...never left the security blanket of Spider-man and or the Hulk), I would be buying up every Marvel book I could. Rather than dropping Amazing Spider-man since the BND stuff and only reading Hulk.


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'Within Each of us oftimes dwells a mighty and raging fury'

Coming Summer 08 --- The 666th Prequel by Brian Cochran and Cristian Alaminos --- Check out www.myspace.com/BJC25 for preview art

Mark Bertolini
05-02-2008, 11:06 PM
Hahaha yeah. If it wasnt for discovering Sandman a few years ago (I know I'm a late bloomer. People kept telling me it was good, I just never was interested. Plus I was a horrible Marvel Zombie...never left the security blanket of Spider-man and or the Hulk), I would be buying up every Marvel book I could. Rather than dropping Amazing Spider-man since the BND stuff and only reading Hulk.


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'Within Each of us oftimes dwells a mighty and raging fury'

Coming Summer 08 --- The 666th Prequel by Brian Cochran and Cristian Alaminos --- Check out www.myspace.com/BJC25 for preview art


I missed out on Sandman too, for me, Preacher was my Sandman.

xombey
05-02-2008, 11:06 PM
Uh...new readers?
yeah, but who BUYS those things?

i don't think of gn's as collectible so, i read them for free at the library most of the time.

William Blankenship
05-02-2008, 11:17 PM
On another note-

I want to apologize to everyone for this...But i do want to say this publicly and i'll roll out.

Someone help me figure out why the moderators and whoever the powers that be allow the constant baggering that goes on by Musgrave.

It's ridculaz and i want to know how this dude can send me a threatening PM message and not get shit for it?

Seriously?

now i've gotten Pms from other board members telling me to leave it or ignore him because he's got "personal problems" and he lives at home still whatever...

But what's up with that...where can i make a Mr. Musgrave complaint about that?

And what's in the mindset of me (and others) just ignoring it because Musgrave "means no harm" and his negative shit is "good for the threads nonsense?

Someone please tell me exactly "what" does he contribute again to these threads other being a whiney b-otch and name calling? Don't get me wrong i think it's everybodies right to complain and bitch and moan on the internet but if this dude is PM'in me isn't that harassment?

what's up with that?

Moderators check me mail if you want to see. Or i can post it here for everyone to see it.

You picked the wrong dude to pull that shit with.

Moderators what's the deal with that?

M.
Nope, sorry, Musgrave is the shit.

You are not the shit.

Argument over.

3!LL

William Blankenship
05-02-2008, 11:19 PM
You know what I don't get? You constantly make yourself out to be some kind of expert, but you never prove that anything you're talking about is true. It's easy as shit to say "You're wrong, you know nothing about marketing", but do you? You never backup any of your bullshit statements, you just get off on making yourself out to be a big man on a COMIC BOOK WEBSITE. Well, congrats, you are definately the COOLEST guy to ever grace this forum.
And this BS about personal problems? We've all got personal problems, that doesn't justify you being a dick to everyone here who's just trying to have a good time and have some intelligent discussions.
Now go away.

Nope, sorry, Musgrave is the shit.

You are not the shit.

Argument over.

3!LL

William Blankenship
05-02-2008, 11:21 PM
Those dudes who thought it was a good idea to shoot a bullet through their comics. How does that make it better?

:confused: What company did that? They shot a bullet through the whole thing? I am teh confused.

3!LL

Mark Bertolini
05-02-2008, 11:35 PM
:confused: What company did that? They shot a bullet through the whole thing? I am teh confused.

3!LL



There was some company that thought shooting a bullet through the issues was a good marketing plan.

Anyone remember what the company was called? Little help?

ponyrl
05-03-2008, 01:03 AM
i own that book. :(

Biofungus
05-03-2008, 01:19 AM
I know Wolverine 75 had a die cut "bullethole" cover, but no actual bullets were involved...

Newt
05-03-2008, 01:21 AM
There was a trend in the 90's sometime for shot-up jeans and such....not comics, but a dumb trend anyhow.

Nick Kerklaan
05-03-2008, 01:41 AM
Also writing for trades? Why?!@?!?!?!?!?

http://artfiles.art.com/images/-/Money-Print-C10055084.jpeg

The Dag
05-03-2008, 01:56 AM
There was some company that thought shooting a bullet through the issues was a good marketing plan.

Anyone remember what the company was called? Little help?

malibu comics did it.... it was the protectors issue number 5.... the death of night mask....

Mark Bertolini
05-03-2008, 07:35 AM
There was also a comic that was polybagged with a condom, and the lead character had AIDS. I want to say Bloodfire?

BJCochran
05-03-2008, 09:00 PM
There was also a comic that was polybagged with a condom, and the lead character had AIDS. I want to say Bloodfire?

It wasnt the death of Jim Wilson in the Hulk comics was it? Didnt it come with a gamma mutated condom? JK

ponyrl
05-03-2008, 10:45 PM
There was also a comic that was polybagged with a condom, and the lead character had AIDS. I want to say Bloodfire?
you are correct sir.

Lightning Comics.

ponyrl
05-03-2008, 10:47 PM
How about the newest trend.

Every collection is nothing but Hard Cover. no more soft cover.

You gonna spit out $19.99 for a 6 issue Hard cover trade?

kdmelrose
05-04-2008, 10:26 AM
How about the newest trend.

Every collection is nothing but Hard Cover. no more soft cover.

You gonna spit out $19.99 for a 6 issue Hard cover trade?

Since when? Typically when a collection is released in hardcover, the softcover follows shortly.

captainarian
05-04-2008, 03:30 PM
i don't like too much event comics... i mean 3 events in a very short period of time... give me a break, m and wwh and civil war and right after that the SI...
dude... earth must be doomed already after so many events...

and graphic looking comics... i know many will disagree with me oon this, it's a new trend, it might be a new revolutionary, comics like: pax romana, and nightly news and transhuman... mostly the comics hickman is doing.

oh and movie adaptations... i hate those. why would i need the damn comic of a movie when i can see the movie? i had these alien3 movie adaptations (wich i have no more) , and i was like: why wasting so much energy on something pointless? and there are many many more stuff out there wich i'd like to complain about.

photo comics that some guys do in comicspace, they are really bad (max payne is an exeption), bringing golden age characters back...i don't think they work at this time. (don't stick marvel's 12 to my face)

ponyrl
05-06-2008, 06:16 PM
Since when? Typically when a collection is released in hardcover, the softcover follows shortly.
JSA # 13 thru #16 I believe.

$19 on the shelf at my local.

I never saw the Soft cover. Does it exist?

Let me search to make sure I'm not incorrect........fact checking.....

Still checking.........ah, THY KINGDOM COME was the story arc. All I've been able to find was hard cover. And for some other TPB are only in HC.

Anyone else see this trend? :huh:

kdmelrose
05-06-2008, 07:25 PM
"Thy Kingdom Come, Part 1" collects Issues 7-12. The hardcover came out just last month. As with mainstream publishing houses, the hardcover edition is typically released first, with the trade paperback arriving sometime later.

UNCTarheel
05-06-2008, 08:21 PM
Guiding Light crossing over w Marvel! A soap opera w super heroes! The sad thing is I should have written it Ive watched the Light, as its called, my whole life.

Hob Anagarak
05-14-2008, 01:38 PM
Continuous annual company wide uber-events that promise to shake some aspect of the respective universe to it's very core and either steam-roll the regular books with the plot, or bring forth umpteen mini's or one-shots to *ahem* "tell the full story. You don't *need* the tie-ins to get the primary story, it's all self contained in the maxi-series. We're just releasing this other material to help give readers the idea of the full scope of whats happening that will be retconned in about a year anyway, if not completely swept under the rug and forgotten."