Skrull Call

[Mwynn]

So Black Bolt was a Skrull.

[Mike225]

When?

[Mwynn]

NEW AVENGERS #31 and NEW AVENGERS ILLUMINATI #5.

[Mike225]

Oh, that's a relief. I thought this was something in continuity.

[HaphazardJoy]

Har... but no, I don't think the actual Black Bolt has been a Skrull all along, but we'll see.

[Mwynn]

Oh, that's a relief. I thought this was something in continuity.
It is part of the Skrull invasion storyline. Yet who is to know what is in continuity or out anymore.

[Mike225]

If it involves the words "Bendis" and "Avengers," it will be retconned as soon as he leaves.

[Ian Ascher]

I was gonna write this big long post about how there was no continuity before Bendis came to Marvel and how he has really helped to shape a lot of the core books into something coherent but most of it would just fall on deaf ears.

My two cents: Bendis has done more good than ill in bringing a continuity back to Marvel books and I think the Skrull idea is really cool. What the editors do from that point forward will remain to be seen.

[Raven]

If it involves the words "Bendis" and "Avengers," it will be retconned as soon as he leaves.

That's the problem with Nu Marvel, he is NEVER leaving.

[C_Lawson]

I honestly think Bendis is the # 1 thing marvel has going for it right now.

[Biofungus]

I'm smelling something I don't like here. Like a "Hulk actually knew all along about the skrulls (hence the beating of Blackbolt) and is using his 'war declaration' as a trick to draw them out and see who is and who isn't a skrull" kind of stink...

[C_Lawson]

I'm smelling something I don't like here. Like a "Hulk actually knew all along about the skrulls (hence the beating of Blackbolt) and is using his 'war declaration' as a trick to draw them out and see who is and who isn't a skrull" kind of stink...

That's an interesting theory. I don't know if I quite think that is it, but maybe black bolt sabotaged the shuttle to Hulk's world in hopes to have hulk take out the earth's heroes before a full invasion.

[jeffers]

I was gonna write this big long post about how there was no continuity before Bendis came to Marvel and how he has really helped to shape a lot of the core books into something coherent but most of it would just fall on deaf ears.

My two cents: Bendis has done more good than ill in bringing a continuity back to Marvel books and I think the Skrull idea is really cool. What the editors do from that point forward will remain to be seen.


Ok, Ian is a Skrull...

[Ian Ascher]

Ok, Ian is a Skrull...


Ha! Bastard found me out....


Think about it though.... This is a great way to clean up Marvel continuity. For everyone pissed that Elektra didn't stay dead after Frank Miller killed her off, it was a Skrull (or Skrulls) running around the Marvel Universe. Wolverine is in six different books all taking place at the same time? No he isn't.... five of them are Skrulls.

This is the ultimate fan boy fix to years of jacked up continuity by Marvel.

[Hob Anagarak]

One man's fan boy fix is another man's retcon punch. Count me out of Secret Invasion or whatever it's called. (Yeah I got all of WWH, and I'm probably going to get all of Messiah CompleX, and the Sinestro War is a lot better than I expected, so Uber-Event burnout has a little bit to do with it in addition to a major lack of interest.)

I honestly think Bendis is the # 1 thing marvel has going for it right now.

And I couldn't disagree more.

I'm smelling something I don't like here. Like a "Hulk actually knew all along about the skrulls (hence the beating of Blackbolt) and is using his 'war declaration' as a trick to draw them out and see who is and who isn't a skrull" kind of stink...

Ewww. Man I hope you're wrong.

[HBK82287]

I personally dont think hulk knew ANYTHING about the skrulls and what they are doing. BUT... i do think that have something to do with Hulk and maybe even them blowing up the hulks ship, knowing what would happen. (hulk smash) Also theres a skrull on hulks team, i would like to believe... lol

[Raven]

Ha! Bastard found me out....


Think about it though.... This is a great way to clean up Marvel continuity. For everyone pissed that Elektra didn't stay dead after Frank Miller killed her off, it was a Skrull (or Skrulls) running around the Marvel Universe. Wolverine is in six different books all taking place at the same time? No he isn't.... five of them are Skrulls.

This is the ultimate fan boy fix to years of jacked up continuity by Marvel.

THAT is not a continuity glitch. THAT is simply bringing characters back!
Making them Skrulls is simply answering non-existent stupid questions with even stupider answers! Marvel continuity, up until House of M, was pretty solid. People may not have liked some of the decisions of the past administrations, but retconning it out because you don't like it with a stupid plot like this doesn't fix anything.

[Lovecraft13]

Unless, of course, Marvel's Illuminati are all skrulls: Black Blot, Mr Fantastic, Dr. Strange...

[Mr.P.Phlegming]

Called It! Anyway what's up with the skrull with the hammer and the sorta colossus looking skrull, I can see how colossus may be a skrull but thor? not so much.

Oh and Nick Fury knew for a while, that's why he went underground. The only character you can trust now is the Winter Soldier.

Sentry is a skrull.

[Mwynn]

Called It! Anyway what's up with the skrull with the hammer and the sorta colossus looking skrull, I can see how colossus may be a skrull but thor? not so much.
I think they were just mimicking their powers.

[Mr.P.Phlegming]

Yeah that seems more plausible, but I'd rather see them sticking to the powers of those they are impersonating

[Ian Ascher]

THAT is not a continuity glitch. THAT is simply bringing characters back!
Making them Skrulls is simply answering non-existent stupid questions with even stupider answers! Marvel continuity, up until House of M, was pretty solid. People may not have liked some of the decisions of the past administrations, but retconning it out because you don't like it with a stupid plot like this doesn't fix anything.


Marvel continuity was a disaster for years and still is to an extent. You can not publish 75 books a month with over lapping characters and keep it straight... just won't happen.

Add to the fact that most readers don't take the time to sit down and take into account that one title might take 12 issues to tell a story that lasts a single day while one issue may show you events that happen in a hour. There are more continuity issues in a readers mind than in the actual pages of a comic book.

Like it or not, Bendis has taken the core Marvel Universe and given it a solid continuity it hasn't seen in years. Late books and primadonna artists that can't do their work on a monthly basis have hurt that continuity more than any thing else.

Most of the continuity issues arise from writers and editors not knowing what others are doing with the characters. Mutant or not, Wolverine can only have so many adventures and be in so many places at once. Same with Ghost Rider, the Punisher, Spiderman, Elektra, and a large number of characters.

By giving us a story where we now know the Skrulls have walked among us for years Marvel can streamline and cut out numerous glitches and issues in continuity by simply saying "hey... it wasn't 'X'... it was a skrull."

Will it fix everything? No... Marvel doesn't have the balls to do that just like DC didn't have the balls to do it after Crisis in 1985. Is it the best solution? No. Is it one that could be fun to read and discuss? Hell yes... look at us going back and forth on it now. This means Marvel has done half it's job. We're talking about their books and their characters.

[Ian Ascher]

Yeah that seems more plausible, but I'd rather see them sticking to the powers of those they are impersonating


The original Super Skrull could mimic four powers at once. What's to say these new Super Skrulls can't do the same or more.

[Mr.P.Phlegming]

yeah but there was a limit to his powers: just the FF's. I dunno, If they could mimic every power the heroes have that would make them way too powerful. I like my characters with limitations.

[Mwynn]

Courtesy of their advanced technology, the Skrulls have also been able to augment their abilities in certain warriors, such as the Super Skrull and Warskrulls - an elite group who with special encoding are able to emulate the powers as well as appearance of their templates.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skrulls

[Imboden]

That's an interesting theory. I don't know if I quite think that is it, but maybe black bolt sabotaged the shuttle to Hulk's world in hopes to have hulk take out the earth's heroes before a full invasion.

OR, he simply wanted Hulk out of the way, knowing that he was the most powerful threat they might face.

[Ian Ascher]

I tihink I said something similar about the Hulk in another post months back but mentioned Iron Man as the Skrull who did it.

Might have been in the big long post about Jeph Loeb becoming the EIC at Marvel that derailed for about 12 pages.

[Raven]

Marvel continuity was a disaster for years and still is to an extent. You can not publish 75 books a month with over lapping characters and keep it straight... just won't happen.

Add to the fact that most readers don't take the time to sit down and take into account that one title might take 12 issues to tell a story that lasts a single day while one issue may show you events that happen in a hour. There are more continuity issues in a readers mind than in the actual pages of a comic book.

Like it or not, Bendis has taken the core Marvel Universe and given it a solid continuity it hasn't seen in years. Late books and primadonna artists that can't do their work on a monthly basis have hurt that continuity more than any thing else.

Most of the continuity issues arise from writers and editors not knowing what others are doing with the characters. Mutant or not, Wolverine can only have so many adventures and be in so many places at once. Same with Ghost Rider, the Punisher, Spiderman, Elektra, and a large number of characters.

By giving us a story where we now know the Skrulls have walked among us for years Marvel can streamline and cut out numerous glitches and issues in continuity by simply saying "hey... it wasn't 'X'... it was a skrull."

Will it fix everything? No... Marvel doesn't have the balls to do that just like DC didn't have the balls to do it after Crisis in 1985. Is it the best solution? No. Is it one that could be fun to read and discuss? Hell yes... look at us going back and forth on it now. This means Marvel has done half it's job. We're talking about their books and their characters.

You are completely off your rocker.

Having multiple appearances by the same character is not a continuity glitch and only the most anal of fans even try to fit these stories into chronological order. I can't believe you actually think ruining previous stories of characters by claiming they weren't real at all is going to work, when the CLONE SAGA clearly showed us that people hate shit like that.

You still haven't came up with one clear example of screwed up continuity.

[Ian Ascher]

Neither have you.

Go ahead and give us some clear cut examples of Marvel Comics continuity issues that have nothing to do with the characters.

Crack an egg of knowledge on us...

[Raven]

I never said it needed fixing, other than the House of M crap.

Actually let's do this:

Since you firmly believe that multiple appearances is a glitch that needs fixing, let me ask you this, who decides which books get fucked?

Let's say Wolverine is in:
New X-Men by Grant Morrison
X-Men by Joe Casey
and Wolverine by Warren Ellis

Who decides which version is a Skrull? Joe Q and Bendis? Do they tell these writers and stop collecting those stories? Do they pick the guys who went and worked for DC? You think it is fair for Quesada and Bendis to just arbitrarily wipe out past stories?

[Ian Ascher]

I never said it needed fixing, other than the House of M crap.

Actually let's do this:

Since you firmly believe that multiple appearances is a glitch that needs fixing, let me ask you this, who decides which books get fucked?

Let's say Wolverine is in:
New X-Men by Grant Morrison
X-Men by Joe Casey
and Wolverine by Warren Ellis

Who decides which version is a Skrull? Joe Q and Bendis? Do they tell these writers and stop collecting those stories? Do they pick the guys who went and worked for DC? You think it is fair for Quesada and Bendis to just arbitrarily wipe out past stories?



If Marvel was smart (and we all know how well that comment will go over) they would gather the editors and allow them to decide where and how continuity needs to be fixed.

To answer the Wolverine question. Let the writers moving forward, pick and choose, where it was Wolverine and where it was a Skrull AS NEEDED. No one needs to sit down and decide exactly where and when to point it out unless it contradicted something previously. If Joe Casey wrote something that really and truly contradicted the continuity on a large scale then the editors can fix his mistake by going back and saying for that story he was a Skrull.

Does it lessen the enjoyment you had of those issues when they came out. It shouldn't. They are still good books but now an issue that may have been created is fixed.

A better example is the Beast. In some books he looks more like his second mutation. In other books he looks more like his classic self. he's not always at the X-men's side. Half the time he locked away in the bowels of the mansion working on something so that could be an easy continuity glitch to fix.

Right now he's in two X books along with half the cast of Astonishing. Does Joss' run need to be fixed by saying all the Astonishing X-men are Skrulls? No. The book started of in continuity and even though it's take over two years to tell the story it can be fit inside a weeks worth of adventures from the month the book launched.

What it sounds like to me is you don't want or care about Marvel actualy fixing continuity... you just want the last several years, maybe more, to go away as if they never existed... something you've already said a few posts back doesn't go over well with the fans.. because you don't get the enjoyment out of Marvel comics other's do.

How fair is that?

I liked House of M. I liked Avengers Dis-Assembled before it. I liked New Avengers after it. I hated Civil War and I didn't like that they made sure the world knew Peter Parker was Spiderman. I think the continuity at Marvel between books is stronger than ever before. That's my opinion.

You disagree... that's fine. If you want to argue it, fine by me too. But your answer to it and your logic to it are just ask skewed as mine and if you don't see it you need to grab a mirror my friend.

For the record, because this is my final word on it: I think Secret Invasion could be a great way for Marvel to clean up any mistakes in their continuity and correct some wrongs that have been done in the past if editorial uses it to their advantage. I in no way feel that years and years of books should be striken from the record because a character was a Skrull. The adventures still happened. It just wasn't the actual character in the book, it was an imposter sent to our world to upset the balance of all that is right and good....

Just like we've done to this thread.

[Mike225]

I liked Avengers Dis-Assembled before it. I liked New Avengers after it.I don't understand..

[Ian Ascher]

Avengers Dis-Assembled leads into House of M.

I wasn't too keen on New Avengers at first but I tried it and stuck with it and started to like it and continue to enjoy it post House of M.

[Mike225]

Avengers Dis-Assembled leads into House of M.

I wasn't too keen on New Avengers at first but I tried it and stuck with it and started to like it and continue to enjoy it post House of M.That's the part I don't get.

[Ian Ascher]

That's the part I don't get.

See the end of Post #31.

Thank you and good night.

[Mike225]

It's just that I've never heard (or read) someone admitting they like either Avengers Disassembled or New Avengers.

[pi0trov]

It's just that I've never heard (or read) someone admitting they like either Avengers Disassembled or New Avengers.
I only read the last couple of issues of Disassembled (since I wasn't regularly reading that title), but it was enough to get me to pick up House of M even though I wasn't reading any of the X-titles. And I've been reading and enjoying (most of) New Avengers since issue 1 (I stopped during the Collective storyline and picked it back up afterwards).

I don't read everything Bendis does, but the stuff that I do read by him, I generally love. New Avengers is one of the few books I buy from the big two that I'm guaranteed to laugh out loud every issue (which is kinda sad when you look at it, but...), and is in my opinion the best written (non-Ultimate) Spiderman book on the stands.

So there's two people for your list... :)

[Mike225]

Hrm.

[Phatman]

It's just that I've never heard (or read) someone admitting they like either Avengers Disassembled or New Avengers.

I love New Avengers! :)










(make it 3 people)

[Mike225]

Okay, let's not make the thread a support group.

[Phatman]

I actually can't read, I just like it for the pictures.

[Mike225]

I was wondering..

[Phatman]

The real answer to all of this is that Joe Quesada is a skrull.

[Mike225]

I just realized something! That Rob Liefeld article said that Rob had been on hiatus from comics for 8 years...Whoever spewed out that X-Force miniseries and those Teen Titans issues was a Skrull!

[HaphazardJoy]

I just realized something! That Rob Liefeld article said that Rob had been on hiatus from comics for 8 years...Whoever spewed out that X-Force miniseries and those Teen Titans issues was a Skrull!

But are Skrulls THAT capable of mimicking someone's capabilities to the extent of sucking that hard? Also, lest we forget: Onslaught Reborn, blech.

[Mike225]

Normally, Skrulls meant to mimick, say...Silver Surfer, had implants which beamed the power to the person. Uhm...I don't know how that would work with a Liefeld Skrull.

[Raven]

If Marvel was smart (and we all know how well that comment will go over) they would gather the editors and allow them to decide where and how continuity needs to be fixed.

For the record, because this is my final word on it: I think Secret Invasion could be a great way for Marvel to clean up any mistakes in their continuity and correct some wrongs that have been done in the past if editorial uses it to their advantage. I in no way feel that years and years of books should be striken from the record because a character was a Skrull. The adventures still happened. It just wasn't the actual character in the book, it was an imposter sent to our world to upset the balance of all that is right and good....

Just like we've done to this thread.


So, if I am to understand, since Joe Q didn't do his job properly the first time by making sure the editors did THEIR job properly by keeping the Marvel universe reasonably in continuity, those same people should be allowed to go ahead with a "Skrull" card and fix whatever they missed the first time?

And Ian, we both know this isn't going to be used to clean up anything, it's going to affect twenty year old stories like Frank Miller's Elektra, stuff that has become legendary and spawned MOVIES. I guarantee not a single event that happened on a Bendis book is going to have a Skrull.

[J.D. Lombardi]

I've no "theories" but just something I thought personally, would be cool.

A friend and I were talking about the Skrull stuff and I was like, "what if they had all the people they are impersonating somewhere captive? Like, what if say...someone was impersonating Jean Grey and Magneto and it was the Skrulls that actually died and not the characters?"

I keep thinking that maybe the original Thunderbird could finally have his day in the sun because he'd been replaced by a Skrull on the first mission of the new X-men...and he wasn't worth replacing with another Skrull, so they just kept the real Thunderbird captive somewhere out in space.

Really, you can substitute a ton of other characters in this scenario. It won't happen, but I just like the idea and thought I'd share it with the rest of geeksville.

[Mwynn]

I've no "theories" but just something I thought personally, would be cool.

A friend and I were talking about the Skrull stuff and I was like, "what if they had all the people they are impersonating somewhere captive? Like, what if say...someone was impersonating Jean Grey and Magneto and it was the Skrulls that actually died and not the characters?"

I keep thinking that maybe the original Thunderbird could finally have his day in the sun because he'd been replaced by a Skrull on the first mission of the new X-men...and he wasn't worth replacing with another Skrull, so they just kept the real Thunderbird captive somewhere out in space.

Really, you can substitute a ton of other characters in this scenario. It won't happen, but I just like the idea and thought I'd share it with the rest of geeksville.
That would just increase the problem that they already have. Death does not mean anything. I think the death of Thunderbird was pretty much meaningless anyway. It is something that is rarely talked about. I mean he did sacrifice himself.

[HaphazardJoy]

Avengers: The Initiative Annual reveals that the leader of the Liberteens, the Pennsylvania team, is a Skrull, as is someone in power at The Initiative.

[Raven]

http://www.dynamicforces.com/images/Trouble1_Signed.jpg

Skrulls?

http://www.scifidimensions.com/Feb03/namor.jpg

[Moonrider]

Those nipples on Namor sure do look suspicious...

[Kel Nuttall]

yeah but there was a limit to his powers: just the FF's. I dunno, If they could mimic every power the heroes have that would make them way too powerful. I like my characters with limitations.
Coming into this conversation WAY late...

I liked what they did with the new Super Skrulls. They don't seem to be able to mimic every power though. The first one that was playing Black Bolt only used the powers of Mr Fantastic, Gorgon and someone super strong. One of the later ones only used Colossus, Nightcrawler and Cyclops powers. And the one slinging the hammer didn't show off anything but Thor-like power. I think it's a fun idea as long as they limit it to four powers or less and don't 200 different SuperSkrulls. Wasn;t it supposed to be that creating the Super Skrull was time and resource intensive... isn't that why they didn't just run out and make an entire army of them?

[Raven]

Coming into this conversation WAY late...

I liked what they did with the new Super Skrulls. They don't seem to be able to mimic every power though. The first one that was playing Black Bolt only used the powers of Mr Fantastic, Gorgon and someone super strong. One of the later ones only used Colossus, Nightcrawler and Cyclops powers. And the one slinging the hammer didn't show off anything but Thor-like power. I think it's a fun idea as long as they limit it to four powers or less and don't 200 different SuperSkrulls. Wasn;t it supposed to be that creating the Super Skrull was time and resource intensive... isn't that why they didn't just run out and make an entire army of them?

In the very first appearance, the energy for the powers were beamed all the way from the Skrull homeworld to Earth to power the Super Skrull. Eventually he mutated to the point where he didn't need the energy beam. So either they are beaming a hell of a lot of energy to Earth to power them all, or they learned to replicate the powers of the first Super Skrull and apply that to others.

[Mr.Musgrave]

They can't beam anything from the Skrull homeworld anymore. Galactus ate it years ago. The big jerk.

[Raven]

They can't beam anything from the Skrull homeworld anymore. Galactus ate it years ago. The big jerk.

I doubt they will ever explain it. We're just supposed to accept the new Skrulls and that'll be it.

[Mike225]

Marvel sucks!

[Mr.Musgrave]

I doubt they will ever explain it. We're just supposed to accept the new Skrulls and that'll be it.


Well, the thing is that the Super-Skrull was always bionically re-engineered. The only thing the beam did was augment his new bio-engineered powers. It didn't give him the super-skrull powers, just amped them up.

[Raven]

Well, the thing is that the Super-Skrull was always bionically re-engineered. The only thing the beam did was augment his new bio-engineered powers. It didn't give him the super-skrull powers, just amped them up.

I always liked the fact that the Skrulls didn't have powers, just shape changing and technology they would try to pass off as powers (except the Super Skrull). Now with half-skrulls like Hulkling and new Super Skrulls, do they have a limit or are they just like humans with access to different ways to mutate?

[Mr.Musgrave]

Well, there's like 10 Skrulls left in the universe thanks to Galactus eating most of them and then the rest of them being caught in the Annihilation wave. If I were them, I'd be mutating skrulls all over the place.

[Mike225]

Will that be in your survival guide?

[Mr.Musgrave]

It probably wouldn't hurt. It would be good to know how to survive shapeshifting homeless people as well.

[Mr.P.Phlegming]

I'm still betting on Reed Richards being a skrull. Also, I wonder if both Echo and Spider-Woman may be skrulls. I think Echo-Skrull lured the New Avengers to Japan in order to sacrifice Electra-Skrull in order to have Spider-Woman-Skrull take the body to Stark to initialize panic and further mistrust.

[Biofungus]

It probably wouldn't hurt. It would be good to know how to survive shapeshifting homeless people as well.
Now you know why I moved out of New York :laugh: