View Full Version : the great lakes water pumped out by the goverment?
wisper
10-20-2007, 01:29 PM
well Im selling a 1954 seahorse boat motor on ebay..and this potiential buyer calls and tells me he's from Detroit..he fishes and we talk..he says flatley the the US goverment is pumping 1 million cubic feet of water every day from the great lakes to water calif for food production Nevada for their housing boom..is this anyway possible? he stated their's law suites in court now..im lost on this...anyone know anything?
Buckyrig
10-20-2007, 01:35 PM
Georgia is suing the Army Corps of Engineers for diverting water or something right now...something about a dam and maintaining a certain river flow...strange stuff.
Wasn't aware of the water thing with Nevada...though you'd think we lived in a rainforest the way this place uses up water...that foutnain at the Bellagio makes me want to strangle people. Do you know how much water evaporates off that thing every day. And everyone's all "ooh, it's so pretty". Can't even walk past that place when the little water ballet nonsense is going on. :man:
Although I think more and more people are going with the water-conserving xeriscaping to save money on water bills...but also because the government is paying rebates.
So, maybe there's some hope.
kdmelrose
10-20-2007, 01:50 PM
There have long been concerns that the Great Lakes are losing water because of dredging in the 1960s -- that's being investigated by the International Joint Commission -- but I've never heard anything about the government diverting the water to the West.
That sounds like crazy conspiracy-talk. How, exactly, would the federal government get that water to Nevada or California? Is there are a secret pipeline? Nonstop freight trains? Air drops?
Plus, the lakes are overseen by the aforementioned bi-national commission, so I'm not sure the Boundary Waters Treaty of 1909 would permit the U.S. government to pump and divert the water.
wisper
10-20-2007, 01:52 PM
I sure dont know.. but looks like a hot topic in the 2008 elections for sure..I mean if the goverment is pumping water from the great lakes for food/houseing production west/south...then their changing the demographics of America..moving peeps from cold weather (high -non renewable fuel - utility bills) to more moderate places...is this posible or am I projecting?
it sure does sound crazy...Im gona call my DETROIT H20 contact right now...news @ the top o'hour.... :laugh:
Buckyrig
10-20-2007, 01:53 PM
Plus, the lakes are overseen by the aforementioned bi-national commission, so I'm not sure the Boundary Waters Treaty of 1909 would permit the U.S. government to pump and divert the water.
Makes sense.
But I have heard about shipping water around the country. That may be more about bottled water for drinking though.
wisper
10-20-2007, 02:00 PM
my contact says it's being pumpped through Ill.to the Mississippi..he's going to get the court docs referances in a day or two..
It's not happening. If it were, the Michigan government would find out about it, and raise holy hell. (To say nothing of Ontario and the Canadian government having a thing or two to say about it.) Freshwater is the one great natural resource we have that can't be easily replaced from other sources, so we're not about to let it go without a fight. Even a water-bottling operation that ships out of state has had a difficult time getting permission to operate in Michigan (they eventually won in court), because water exports from the region are so tightly regulated. I fully expect this to become an issue in the not-too-distant future, but that's only because the dry states will start pushing to make it happen, not because it's already happening and the Great Lakes states want it to stop.
Furthermore, pumping water through Illinois to the Mississippi river wouldn't get it to the Southwest; it'd just flood New Orleans a little more.
wisper
10-20-2007, 03:39 PM
It's not happening. If it were, the Michigan government would find out about it, and raise holy hell. (To say nothing of Ontario and the Canadian government having a thing or two to say about it.) Freshwater is the one great natural resource we have that can't be easily replaced from other sources, so we're not about to let it go without a fight. Even a water-bottling operation that ships out of state has had a difficult time getting permission to operate in Michigan (they eventually won in court), because water exports from the region are so tightly regulated. I fully expect this to become an issue in the not-too-distant future, but that's only because the dry states will start pushing to make it happen, not because it's already happening and the Great Lakes states want it to stop.
Furthermore, pumping water through Illinois to the Mississippi river wouldn't get it to the Southwest; it'd just flood New Orleans a little more.
well my Detroit contact says the lake level is way down...that docks are standing on dry dirt and boats too..he's an older gent.
http://www.cnn.com/2007/TECH/science/08/03/superior.puzzle.ap/index.html
kdmelrose
10-20-2007, 04:03 PM
Let's see: climate change, side effects of dredging, or (dum-dum-dum) ... massive government conspiracy?
:sure:
Buckyrig
10-20-2007, 04:07 PM
Zeta Reticuli?
wisper
10-20-2007, 04:28 PM
Let's see: climate change, side effects of dredging, or (dum-dum-dum) ... massive government conspiracy?
:sure:
you could work for the goverment KD..
The remaining Kennedy assassination related documents are scheduled to be released to the public by 2017, twenty-five years after the passage of the JFK Records Act.
Several key pieces of evidence and documentation are described to have been lost, cleaned, or missing from the original chain of evidence (e.g., limousine cleaned out at hospital, Connally's suit dry-cleaned, Oswald's military intelligence file destroyed in 1973,[89] Connally's Stetson hat and shirt sleeve gold cufflink missing, forensic autopsy photos missing, etc.)
On May 19, 2044, the 50th anniversary of the death of Jacqueline Kennedy Onassis, if her last child has died, the Kennedy library will release to the public a 500-page transcript of an oral history about John F. Kennedy given by Mrs. Kennedy before her death in 1994.
the old "need to know" you don't I don't...
kdmelrose
10-20-2007, 04:30 PM
So you're saying that Lee Harvey Oswald, LBJ and the mafia are pumping the water out of the Great Lakes?
Buckyrig
10-20-2007, 04:32 PM
Uh...and Castro...duh. :yawn:
wisper
10-20-2007, 04:57 PM
So you're saying that Lee Harvey Oswald, LBJ and the mafia are pumping the water out of the Great Lakes?
man...you are a funny guy.
no what im saying is that the goverment does not say everything all the time...sometimes as in the JFK case it's years...many. why...really
we are just reciently learnning facts about our early presidents...
I like to talk to the old timers...they have a feel...if not 100% accurate but still factual...the lakes are going down..
remember my posts on buying oil futures a few months back...you be rich today if you had the funds to invest ...
water..it's gona be in the 2008 election big time.
I put a call into NOAA..Im old school you know. I like to talk to peeps..you can hear their intent in their voice...and they can feel yours...Ill mention your input about the mafia controlling water of lake Michigan..and diverting it to Nevada...C H I N A T O W N
no what im saying is that the goverment does not say everything all the timeThere's a huge difference between withholding information and hiding an engineering project of an unprecedented scale that would have to be in plain sight to work.
water..it's gona be in the 2008 election big time.Not even if this crackpot theory were true.
wisper
10-22-2007, 11:39 AM
There's a huge difference between withholding information and hiding an engineering project of an unprecedented scale that would have to be in plain sight to work.
Not even if this crackpot theory were true.
think the goverment makes/saves any money on cigerettes? crack that pot sport... :laugh:
You're going to have to explain that one, Wisper. What do sin taxes have to do with what would be the most impressive engineering project of our young century being conducted invisibly and in secret?
If they were going to divert water to the desert, they would logically divert it from the Missouri or Platte before the Great Lakes; in any case, the cost of transporting useful amounts of water across the continent would dwarf any possible economic gain from doing so.
Your Detroit contact was either pulling your leg or he's off his rocker. This sounds like the guys here in Tennessee who are convinced that the state fish and wildlife agency stocks venomous snakes. The levels of Lakes Michigan and Huron are currently rather low, but have been just as low during other years in the past century: see the hydrograph below.
http://www.glerl.noaa.gov/data/now/wlevels/lowlevels/plot/Michigan-Huron.gif
wisper
10-22-2007, 12:02 PM
dude that's an excellent find there...your an I- net hunter ...cool.
the goverment does has various needs...military rounds have lead look @ this wacked proposal by the goverment...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VbeRV8mebfg&mode=related&search=
wisper
10-23-2007, 03:37 AM
well the gov dosent tell evertyhing
http://www.cnn.com/2007/TRAVEL/10/22/nasa.air.safety.ap/index.html
well the gov dosent tell evertyhingThere's a huge difference between withholding information and hiding an engineering project of an unprecedented scale that would have to be in plain sight to work. Is that so difficult to understand?
wisper
10-23-2007, 10:24 AM
There's a huge difference between withholding information and hiding an engineering project of an unprecedented scale that would have to be in plain sight to work. Is that so difficult to understand?
of corse not. my contact did not talk about anything like that. he just stated that the gov was diverting...under gov normal ways....water to the mississippi and that he believed it was going to calif...nevada...I posted this here hopeing someone from the area..like you would chime in...I did a quick search and some waters were low..also there's a big complant about bottled water removing a lot of water ...which I had never even though of..and the permit to take the water only cost $85,,,kinda makes you want to get into the water business...it does seem strange that LAs Vegas is booming in houseing over the years in a desert region...Ive been there in 1981 and it was dry.
kdmelrose
10-23-2007, 10:34 AM
...it does seem strange that LAs Vegas is booming in houseing over the years in a desert region...Ive been there in 1981 and it was dry.
One thing has nothing to do with the other.
Most of Las Vegas' water (some 90 percent, I believe) comes from the Colorado River, with a somewhat controversial plan for a 285-mile-long pipeline to bring water from the mountains in northern Nevada and Utah to the southern parts of the state.
Vegas sits above an aquifer, but they've pumped the damn thing so low now that it's been declared off-limits, if I remember correctly. There were a lot of ecologically distinctive pool and spring habitats in the Vegas Valley that have been destroyed so that casinos could have jungles and Vegans could have lush green lawns in the damn desert; at least one frog species has been driven to extinction over the last century by this draining.
Stupid Las Vegas.
wisper
10-23-2007, 10:51 AM
DW = academia. good cool !
Buckyrig
10-23-2007, 12:37 PM
One thing has nothing to do with the other.
Most of Las Vegas' water (some 90 percent, I believe) comes from the Colorado River, with a somewhat controversial plan for a 285-mile-long pipeline to bring water from the mountains in northern Nevada and Utah to the southern parts of the state.
Well...from the Colorado River insomuch as that feeds Lake Mead. I've been told there's rocket fuel in there...probably not...but it sure tastes like it. :yuk:
Vegas sits above an aquifer, but they've pumped the damn thing so low now that it's been declared off-limits, if I remember correctly. There were a lot of ecologically distinctive pool and spring habitats in the Vegas Valley that have been destroyed so that casinos could have jungles and Vegans could have lush green lawns in the damn desert; at least one frog species has been driven to extinction over the last century by this draining.
Stupid Las Vegas.
What the casinos want the casinos get...stop coming!
My lifelong boycott of Las Vegas has had little effect thus far.
Buckyrig
10-23-2007, 01:53 PM
Do it harder.
Steve Wynn cannot be allowed to destroy any more Picassos!
Mic. Gee
10-23-2007, 06:57 PM
http://www.danpage.net/images/colab16.jpg
Man, that cover must've paid well.
wisper
10-23-2007, 07:50 PM
here some h2o cover up 1 block from my house...
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Toyandgadgetguy
10-23-2007, 08:11 PM
Interesting side story. I was working in the reconditioned appliance store. Guy comes in to buy a refrigerator compressor, says he's an engineer and needs it for his hobby. We get to talking about how most engineers are an 'orginal' sort. He then tells me about how he's working on a hole just outside of Manhattan that goes as deep as the Empire State Building goes high. (I thought he might have been high). He also tells me of a project that's been done for quite some time with a single tunnel for a one car rocket train from Manhattan to Washington D.C. He says he can't say who it's for. We all know he meant the President.
It was a fun story, but we dismissed it as bunk. Not more than three months later, I saw him on TV (National Geographic, I think, but am not sure) doing a clip about this huge tunnel on (in?) Roosevelt Island.
Just made me think about the possibility of it. I think sometimes the government does lots of things they don't tell us about. They decide we don't need to know, or can't handle it.
Then again, there are plenty of other examples of things that people blame the government for that they have nothing to do with.
I say... who knows? I just hope I'm around to read those JFK notes.
kdmelrose
10-23-2007, 08:18 PM
Why would the president need a train -- rocket or otherwise -- from Washington to New York?
I mean, any president after, say, Roosevelt.
Buckyrig
10-23-2007, 08:19 PM
Cuz it's wicked awesome! :w00t:
Toyandgadgetguy
10-23-2007, 08:22 PM
Why would the president need a train -- rocket or otherwise -- from Washington to New York?
I mean, any president after, say, Roosevelt.
No idea. Could make one up for you if you'd like.
wisper
10-23-2007, 08:23 PM
t&G you got'a win to write history...
I had posted a link to a youtube..it was a documentry show in 1987...but watched it again this morning and the youtube documentary had been modifyed leaving out some facts...how bout that...
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