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Newt

11-01-2007, 10:07 AM

Vaguely related: A few years back, a Muslim group joined several Christian groups in a protest against a play featuring Christ depicted as homosexual.

Everyone was confused, because they did not realize that Muslims actually accept Christ as the son of God and a revered figure, they just don't accept him as the path to salvation. There's even a nativity story in the Koran.

Knuckles

11-01-2007, 10:45 AM

I thought Islam said that he was just a prophet like Moses and all the others. Not the son of god.

Newt

11-01-2007, 10:46 AM

I'll have to look it up, but I'm pretty sure they accept him as Messiah, and I have been assuming that that means he is considered the son of Allah.

kdmelrose

11-01-2007, 11:08 AM

Vaguely related: A few years back, a Muslim group joined several Christian groups in a protest against a play featuring Christ depicted as homosexual.

Terrence McNally's Corpus Christi.

It's funny, because I was just thinking about watching coverage of the pickets (and the bomb threats).

One of the images that stuck with me, almost a decade later, is a quiet counter-protest across the street from the theater: A small group of Christians held up signs that read something along the lines of, "My God Is Mightier Than Any Play" (I'm misquoting, but that was the sentiment). One of those interviewed reinforced that by saying that the content of Corpus Christi didn't affect her God or her faith.

I don't know, I've always liked that.

Buckyrig

11-01-2007, 01:18 PM

This doesn't actually surprise me. C.S. Lewis was hardly a radical theologian, but his approach to Christianity was pretty ecumenical, and some of the ideas he expressed in the Narnia books (such as the notion that Persians Calormenes who were faithful to Allah Tash were really worshiping Jesus Aslan, in a way) are contrary to fundamentalist theology.

No, this guy was just an idiot who was mad about witches and magic.

Phatman

11-01-2007, 01:36 PM

I'll have to look it up, but I'm pretty sure they accept him as Messiah, and I have been assuming that that means he is considered the son of Allah.

Not even close-hence, all of the trouble in the world by fanatics everywhere.

Buckyrig

11-01-2007, 01:38 PM

Not even close-hence, all of the trouble in the world by fanatics everywhere.

Damn straigt! :man:

http://www.chrismilian.com/baseb12.jpg

kdmelrose

11-01-2007, 02:49 PM

Not even close-hence, all of the trouble in the world by fanatics everywhere.

Actually, it is close.

The Koran recognizes Jesus as a prophet and a messenger of God, and gives him the title of Messiah ("Masih"). However, while it acknowledges the virgin birth, it doesn't subscribe to his divinity.

Phatman

11-01-2007, 03:28 PM

Kevin-

I don't want to turn this into a religious debate/arguement, but the crux of Christianity is the divinity of Jesus Christ. Islam does not subscribe to this at all. Muslim's do consider Jesus to be a great teacher and prophet but fail to mention that he said he is the son of God. By any reasoning this makes Christ one of three things: a lunatic, a liar or who he says he is. Islam says he's a liar and/or a lunatic, but has some good ideas to live by. Sorry, but that's not the same thing by any definition.

Phatman

11-01-2007, 03:29 PM

http://www.chrismilian.com/baseb12.jpg

One of the Four Horseman....

kdmelrose

11-01-2007, 03:51 PM

Sorry, but that's not the same thing by any definition.

I didn't say it was the same thing. You said that Newt was, "Not even close"; I countered that he was "close" (while ignoring your assertion, "hence, all of the trouble in the world by fanatics everywhere").

Phatman

11-01-2007, 04:28 PM

Fair enough.

Biofungus

11-01-2007, 09:15 PM

One of the Four Horseman....
I believe Barney, and the Purple Teletubby are two more. So who's the fourth?

Newt

11-01-2007, 11:41 PM

Oooh! Oooh! I know! It's Richard Simmons!

DemolitionSamurai

11-02-2007, 12:04 AM

Snape kisses Dumbledore.

Newt

11-02-2007, 12:08 AM

Who hasn't? Dumble's a slut.

Nick Kerklaan

11-02-2007, 12:57 AM

Hi guys! What'chya talkin' about?

Newt

11-02-2007, 12:59 AM

Go to bed, Kerkles. This is grown-up talk.

Nick Kerklaan

11-02-2007, 01:06 AM

Okay but can you read me a story first?

Raven

11-02-2007, 07:19 AM

Scott James

11-02-2007, 11:14 AM

The Chronicles of Narnia read like a recruitment advertisement for the Crusades:

Light-coloured people are better than dark-coloured people, girls are weaker than boys and death is better than life. It is the kind of Puritan drivel that makes me want to punch out the first nun I see.

Buckyrig

11-02-2007, 12:33 PM

It is the kind of Puritan drivel that makes me want to punch out the first nun I see.

Because their weakness and black habits offend you?

kdmelrose

11-02-2007, 12:36 PM

Because their weakness and black habits offend you?

It's the will of Aslan.

Nick Kerklaan

11-02-2007, 03:41 PM

I'm sure glad I read the Chronicles of Narnia back when I was too young to understand that it was, like, full of Christian propaganda or whatever the fuck it is people hate about it, cause I really liked them. They were, like, full of adventure and stuff.

I like adventure.

Buckyrig

11-02-2007, 03:45 PM

We need to bring back House Un-American Activities Committee.

:slap:

Scott James

11-02-2007, 06:41 PM

Because their weakness and black habits offend you?Why can you only see their faces? What are they trying to hide?

Buckyrig

11-02-2007, 06:46 PM

There was a time I was thinking of becoming a nun.

JAQ

11-02-2007, 09:29 PM

It is the kind of Puritan drivel that makes me want to punch out the first nun I see.You do realize that the puritans wanted nothing to do with nuns and other popery, right? They were (and in their modern incarnation, still are) overwhelmingly Protestant.

While there's definitely some Christian theology reflected in the Narnia books, it's not really as much as people make it out to be. Lewis set out to write some fantasy books, and he drew on the moral principles he believed in (which by that point were Christian) for some of the themes. It's really no more Christian propaganda than the Death and Return of Superman was.

kdmelrose

11-02-2007, 09:41 PM

While there's definitely some Christian theology reflected in the Narnia books, it's not really as much as people make it out to be.

The big ol' Jesus-Lion sort of colors everything.

I'm not particularly bothered by the Christian themes, as transparent as they are (even as a child I realized who Aslan was supposed to represent).

It's just that Lewis was an intelligent man and a religious scholar, but when it came to the Narnia books, all of that went out the window. They're a dumbed-down and jumbled mish-mash of folklore and mythology -- Father Christmas? Really? -- that make me wonder whether he ever met a child or, indeed, ever was one. (He had mother issues, obviously, but that's another story.)

The-Spirit

11-02-2007, 09:51 PM

It's just that Lewis was an intelligent man and a religious scholar, but when it came to the Narnia books, all of that went out the window. They're a dumbed-down He wrote the books for kids and nowadays every kids film has adults who are taking their kids to see them in mind. I don't think he set out to write something that would be dissected by adults which is what has happened along with his other writings.

and jumbled mish-mash of folklore and mythology -- Father Christmas? Really? -- that make me wonder whether he ever met a child or, indeed, ever was one. Wow! Why do you think these books stood the test of time? It wasn't a bunch of adults who loved them and made them best sellers it was the kids.

kdmelrose

11-02-2007, 09:56 PM

"For kids" shouldn't equal "dumbed-down."

On the Narnia books, I'll side with Tolkien, who, after reading an early draft of The Lion, the Witch and the Wardrobe, said, "It really won't do, you know."