View Full Version : I'm not sure that I have outshone my parents yet...
Scott James
10-16-2007, 10:45 AM
So I'm in the homeland for a week of song and sheepshagging when I'm due to meet my father for a few drinks down the pub...
Three hours later, I have had six pints of beer and am getting slaughtered at pool and darts. My father has had eight pints of cider and two whiskey chasers and he shows no signs of inebriation at all.
I have numerous GCSES, A'Levels and a degreee. I have traveled to parts of the world my father has never heard of. I am also in debt to the sum of 20 grand and have no assets to speak of.
My dad left school at 15 and has only been outside the UK once in his entire life. He has his own house and has 50 grand in the bank.
Achievement is all about perspective.
I'm going to have a lie down.
spider
10-16-2007, 11:12 AM
I've been told on more than one occasion "money isn't everything" but said people already have plenty of it.
I was coaching soccer one year for my daughter's 5-year-old league. One of the little girls found a quarter on the field. I smiled and said "Wow! You're rich!" She shugged her shoulders benignly and replied "Yeah, but it's no big deal."
I never wanted to beat up a five year old so much in my life.
Mike225
10-16-2007, 11:28 AM
You really wanted that quarter, Kep?
You really wanted that quarter, Kep?
Wouldn't you?
spider
10-16-2007, 11:32 AM
You know, if you go into clubs on a Friday or Saturday night you can find plenty of money down the back of the comfy chairs and sofa's.
So I'm in the homeland for a week of song and sheepshagging when I'm due to meet my father for a few drinks down the pub...
Three hours later, I have had six pints of beer and am getting slaughtered at pool and darts. My father has had eight pints of cider and two whiskey chasers and he shows no signs of inebriation at all.
I have numerous GCSES, A'Levels and a degreee. I have traveled to parts of the world my father has never heard of. I am also in debt to the sum of 20 grand and have no assets to speak of.
My dad left school at 15 and has only been outside the UK once in his entire life. He has his own house and has 50 grand in the bank.
Achievement is all about perspective.
I'm going to have a lie down.
Relax, man. If you had left school at fifteen, you would certainly not have your own house and fifty grand in the bank today; the times they are a'changin'. Conversely, if you had been born in your dad's generation and had achieved what you have, you'd probably be much better off than you are today. You're in the same boat as all the rest of us; just working hard is not enough to succeed anymore.
Of course, my dad lives in an Airstream trailer and rents bicycles to tourists, so my competition is not so steep.
John Rauch
10-16-2007, 11:47 AM
My Dad has worked in a factory that makes soy sauce and related products for 20something years now. Last year, I matched his salary for the first time. This year, I think I'm probably making about half what he does.
Mr.Musgrave
10-16-2007, 11:49 AM
Christ, we're all going to end up drunk by the end of this thread.
Yeah but your Dad probably has 20-30 years on you.
And considering he probably chose his path shortly after he dropped out at 15 whereas you didnt have a path (assuming you picked one) until after your college graduation
Pick a path, dammit!
L Jamal
10-16-2007, 12:59 PM
My father is dead.
With my first real job, I was matching what he was making at the time, but I was working 60-80 hours a week.
With my second real job, I was making more everyone in my family except 2 uncles. About 2.5 times my first job.
Now on my 3rd real job, I'm back at the level I was making with my first job, but only 40 hours a week.
In between, each real job was about 3-5 years of freelance work with no real job.
My mother always earned more than my father and worked 1 full time job during the week (40 hours) and one part time jobs on the weekend (20 hours). She did that from the time I was 10 until I left home at 16 with very few days off other than holidays.
My first job ever (working in a lab during college) at $8, I earned more than my maternal grandmother ever did. She worked her entire life as a house cleaner for various local hotels and never made more than $7/ hr (plus tips). Somehow that was enough to raise 9 kids by herself and at 80+ she is still going and living in the same house that her father died in. A house that was built without electricity or an indoor bathroom.
All in all, I consider myself pretty damned fortunate.
Buckyrig
10-16-2007, 01:04 PM
Fine...I normally stay away from this stuff.
I'm going with my grandfather, for reasons I won't go into here.
My grandfather was a high school teacher and worked part time as a shoe salesmen for most of his life to pay the bills...however...
Upon 'retirement', he and my grandmother sold their house and moved to Liberia for eight years to work with Sudan Interior Mission.
They worked as far back as I can remember myself helping out widows and facilitating the immigration of Vietnamese refugees.
Add to that just the general everyday good-will stuff they did their whole lives and of course fighting in WWII...well, I could be clearing a million a year right now and I'd still say I wasn't doing shit in comparison.
Fuck money!
I've gotta go with Spider on this one:
I've been told on more than one occasion "money isn't everything" but said people already have plenty of it.
And it's not even necessarily money, but obtaining what you need (or want) to survive. Money is how we obtain it.
Everyone needs to do something to get money to cover their base survival; roof (& utilities), clothes, food. It is only after we have these can we say money sucks.
Unless you subsistence farm.
Buckyrig
10-16-2007, 01:15 PM
I've gotta go with Spider on this one:
And it's not even necessarily money, but obtaining what you need (or want) to survive. Money is how we obtain it.
Everyone needs to do something to get money to cover their base survival; roof (& utilities), clothes, food. It is only after we have these can we say money sucks.
Unless you subsistence farm.
For a single person in many places...this can be done at $8.00/hr really. People just don't make the necessary lifestyle adjustments.
So, basically...having a job should just about do it in most cases.
Ah but can We control desire enough to be happy at $8/hr while corporations make billions and the rich get richer?
If you were making $8/hr and getting by and you boss offered you $10, would you turn it down?
Buckyrig
10-16-2007, 01:28 PM
Assuming it's a raise free of condition, no.
But I have turned down raises in the past because I didn't want the job associated with it.
Scott James
10-16-2007, 01:48 PM
I feel better after that nap. Drinking in the middle of the day isn't a good idea. Especially not when you're due to visit the grandparents in the evening.
spider
10-16-2007, 02:12 PM
Everyone needs to do something to get money to cover their base survival; roof (& utilities), clothes, food. It is only after we have these can we say money sucks.
Don't forget the bills you cannot pay even if you were working at minimum wage because you're claiming benefits the government are shitty about paying you, like say tax credits, income support or child benefit.
Don't know how I'm going to outshine my dad. Tough act to follow. :rolleyes:
spider
10-16-2007, 02:29 PM
I don't plan to outshine anyone, I have my path set out...
I'm going to be married 3 times before my late 40's,
partly due to spousal abuse but mainly cause I love my bike and guitar more,
then I'm going to be a bitter old man that plays in a pub band and have 2 sons that don't talk to me anymore, then I'm going to die from a drug overdose bitter, old and alone.
Mike225
10-16-2007, 02:31 PM
I'm going to be married 3 times before my late 40's,
partly due to spousal abuse but mainly cause I love my bike and guitar more,You're going to have to put up with a lot of abuse for this to work. Are you up to it?
Don't know how I'm going to outshine my dad. Tough act to follow. :rolleyes:
Dare I ask?
You're going to have to put up with a lot of abuse for this to work. Are you up to it?
Up to it? He's begging for it!
Scott James
10-16-2007, 02:39 PM
Dare I ask?Back away! Back away!
Toyandgadgetguy
10-16-2007, 08:10 PM
Different times. My father worked 3 jobs at one point to provide for his family. He came from a group home with 100 bucks and a bus ticket. He raised two kids, and is still married to the same woman.
He's never been rich with money, but he's happy.
He worked hard so his kids wouldn't have to work as much as he did. He's never complained about not having things... (but he reminds me often about having to sell his Chevelle to pay for me being born... it makes him smile to tease me)
He's never been perfect... but he's been the perfect dad for my sister and I.
I'm about as fortunate as a person gets. The only regret I have is that it took me as long as it did to see and understand that.
I wouldn't even try to fill his shoes. I'm just going to be me, and use what he's given me. When I have kids, I'll do what my dad did... just be there for them.
Money's far from everything.
spider
10-16-2007, 08:54 PM
Thats only because you have enough of it.
Paul Sanderson
10-16-2007, 09:10 PM
So I'm in the homeland for a week of song and sheepshagging when I'm due to meet my father for a few drinks down the pub...
Three hours later, I have had six pints of beer and am getting slaughtered at pool and darts. My father has had eight pints of cider and two whiskey chasers and he shows no signs of inebriation at all.
I have numerous GCSES, A'Levels and a degreee. I have traveled to parts of the world my father has never heard of. I am also in debt to the sum of 20 grand and have no assets to speak of.
My dad left school at 15 and has only been outside the UK once in his entire life. He has his own house and has 50 grand in the bank.
Achievement is all about perspective.
I'm going to have a lie down.
He's also, probably, been alive twice as long as you to achieve all that he has. As you say, it's all about perspective and context.
Of course, my dad lives in an Airstream trailer and rents bicycles to touristsLucky bastard.
At this point in my life I've already lost more jobs than my dad ever had. I win!
Biofungus
10-16-2007, 10:34 PM
There are many ways that I will never surpass my father (may he R.I.P.), but I know when he was a teenager, he used to draw comics, but gave that up by high school. I've taken my art farther, and in that respect I have already surpassed him. But I'm not him, I have my own destiny to create, so to surpass him was never a goal.
Paul Sanderson
10-16-2007, 10:36 PM
Different times. My father worked 3 jobs at one point to provide for his family. He came from a group home with 100 bucks and a bus ticket. He raised two kids, and is still married to the same woman.
He's never been rich with money, but he's happy.
He worked hard so his kids wouldn't have to work as much as he did. He's never complained about not having things... (but he reminds me often about having to sell his Chevelle to pay for me being born... it makes him smile to tease me)
He's never been perfect... but he's been the perfect dad for my sister and I.
I'm about as fortunate as a person gets. The only regret I have is that it took me as long as it did to see and understand that.
I wouldn't even try to fill his shoes. I'm just going to be me, and use what he's given me. When I have kids, I'll do what my dad did... just be there for them.
Money's far from everything.
Dang that's well said, Toyota http://www.digitalwebbing.com/forums/images/icons/icon14.gif
ShanE
10-17-2007, 12:03 AM
I've been told on more than one occasion "money isn't everything" but said people already have plenty of it.
But you can "get your money for nuthin and your chics for free"
Toyandgadgetguy
10-17-2007, 05:32 PM
Thats only because you have enough of it.
You say the most ridiculous things at times, Spider.
I don't come from money. I know what it's like to go without. I grew up without. I've worked hard to get to where I am, and nobody's given me a thing except my folks. Everything I have is because of me, them, and a bit of life's fortune. I work hard everyday for what I have. Every day. I also recognize my good fortune, and share it where I can.
When you get to the stage where you sell the stereo out of your car so that you can buy a meal... then tell me about having enough. Until you know what you're talking about, you should keep your mouth shut. None of us on this board are living in the back of a car, or in some village in Africa where our basic foodstuffs are given to us by the government or a charity organization.
How old are you? Where are you living now? What did you do today? You've got internet access... Go download a few more songs. You've got enough as well.
Buckyrig
10-17-2007, 05:34 PM
Whoa... :eek:
Whoa... :eek:
Is that a cowboy whoa, a Joey Lawrence whoa, or a Keanu Reeves whoa?
Toyandgadgetguy
10-17-2007, 05:36 PM
Nah... it probably reads worse than it's intended. My point was that he made a stupid comment without thinking.
Mike225
10-17-2007, 05:40 PM
I don't come from money. I know what it's like to go without. I grew up without. I've worked hard to get to where I am, and nobody's given me a thing except my folks. Everything I have is because of me, them, and a bit of life's fortune. I work hard everyday for what I have. Every day. I also recognize my good fortune, and share it where I can.You have to admit that the monocle is a bit pompous, Craig.
Toyandgadgetguy
10-17-2007, 05:41 PM
Hey. I just like wearing tophats, ok? Don't hate me because I'm beautiful.
spider
10-17-2007, 05:42 PM
Nah... it probably reads worse than it's intended. My point was that he made a stupid comment without thinking.
You apparently don't know me very well.
Toyandgadgetguy
10-17-2007, 05:43 PM
You apparently don't know me very well.
Nah... too easy a shot for me to take. :nyah:
Buckyrig
10-17-2007, 05:44 PM
Hey. I just like wearing tophats, ok? Don't hate me because I'm beautiful.
Ah...but do you have a $70 polo shirt? :har:
Mike225
10-17-2007, 05:44 PM
(Thanks for the free parking.)
Toyandgadgetguy
10-17-2007, 05:44 PM
Ah...but do you have a $70 polo shirt? :har:
I don't wear a shirt in the pool.
Screeny
10-17-2007, 06:03 PM
You have to admit that the monocle is a bit pompous, Craig.
A monocle, Michael, is never, ever too pompous! :D
My alma mater's mascot was a man in red tophat and tails with a monocle and walrus mustache. No one ever accused us of pomposity, possibly because our cheer was, "Let's go Peay!"
Toyandgadgetguy
10-17-2007, 06:16 PM
So do you think my wearing an ascott would be too over the top?
Buckyrig
10-17-2007, 06:18 PM
You're missing all the stripper talk in the music thread. :laugh:
Screeny
10-17-2007, 06:25 PM
I say!....I'm heading there now if I can put my monocle back in!
Paul Sanderson
10-17-2007, 07:24 PM
I prefer a pince-nez myself :laugh:
Screeny
10-17-2007, 07:52 PM
I prefer a pince-nez myself :laugh:
Hmmmm...the Pince Nez has a certain 'colonial' charm but the monocle is the king of pompery and pretention! :p cough.....Rugby World Cup....cough, cough :har:
Paul Sanderson
10-17-2007, 07:54 PM
Colonial charm? It was the fashion accessory of Victorian England :D
I have a splendid cane as well ;)
Buckyrig
10-17-2007, 07:56 PM
I have a splendid cane as well ;)
Does it have a secret compartment for whiskey?
Screeny
10-17-2007, 07:59 PM
Colonial charm? It was the fashion accessory of Victorian England :D
I have a splendid cane as well ;)
Bah!...as far as I'm concerned it left polite society in the brigs of the ships! :p
MONOCLE!
Paul Sanderson
10-17-2007, 08:04 PM
Does it have a secret compartment for whiskey?
No, a knife.
Bah!...as far as I'm concerned it left polite society in the brigs of the ships! :p
MONOCLE!
PINCE-NEZ!
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/eb/T_Roosevelt.jpg/476px-T_Roosevelt.jpg
Good ol' Teddy; the pinnacle of polite society!
Buckyrig
10-17-2007, 08:10 PM
Good ol' Teddy; the pinnacle of polite society!
Polite = not shooting a bear tied to a tree
Screeny
10-17-2007, 08:11 PM
No, a knife.
PINCE-NEZ!
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/eb/T_Roosevelt.jpg/476px-T_Roosevelt.jpg
Roosevelt? I'll wager my 'colonial' point is proven! (now that I can actually see the whle image withut risking RSI :p )
...anyway, MONOCLE!
http://blogs.guardian.co.uk/books/lordcharlesdavidsillitoe460.jpg
Paul Sanderson
10-17-2007, 08:11 PM
Love that look on his face :D
Paul Sanderson
10-17-2007, 08:12 PM
At least my dude was alive :p
Screeny
10-17-2007, 08:18 PM
At least my dude was alive :p
That's a moot point! Lord Charles has kingly robes! Look at them! KINGLY ROBES! Anyhoo, have you never seen 'Magic'? :har:
Buckyrig
10-17-2007, 08:19 PM
That's a moot point! Lord Charles has kingly robes! Look at them! KINGLY ROBES!
And a bowtie!? :confused:
Dude, what the Hell is going on over there!?!?!? :huh:
Paul Sanderson
10-17-2007, 08:23 PM
That colour tie doesn't go with those kingly robes. Methinks he is a fake, so...
PINCE-NEZ!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Screeny
10-17-2007, 08:26 PM
See what happens when you team up with the Frenchies? Now you will never know the sheer delight and cultural superiority that comes with the sporting of the monocle, crown & bow tie combo.
Screeny
10-17-2007, 08:27 PM
That colour tie doesn't go with those kingly robes. Methinks he is a fake, so...
PINCE-NEZ!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Joe Mangle wore Prince Nez......I think that proves my point! :p
Monocle?
http://i194.photobucket.com/albums/z161/Newt1453/promo.jpg
spider
10-17-2007, 08:31 PM
Monocle
http://www.nobodyreadsyourblog.com/files/Monocle-man.gif
Buckyrig
10-17-2007, 08:31 PM
Syphilis is classier than either.
Screeny
10-17-2007, 08:35 PM
Syphilis is classier than either.
I contracted that in my eye which is precisely the reason WHY i need to wear a monocle thankyou very much! :man:
But not as classy as Mike225.
spider
10-17-2007, 08:40 PM
Get an eye patch they're cooler.
Screeny
10-17-2007, 08:47 PM
Get an eye patch they're cooler.
The mystique of eye patches resides solely in pirate films. In the real world, spoting an eye patch only results in polite apoligies, snide giggling and the general avoidance reserved for the bloke that religiously comes in the pub 10 minutes before closing, smelling of biscuits & milk & sporting a tweed jacket with leather elbow pads.
the bloke that religiously comes in the pub 10 minutes before closing, smelling of biscuits & milk & sporting a tweed jacket with leather elbow pads.
You?
spider
10-17-2007, 08:54 PM
You mean like Snake Plissken, Nick Fury, Slick Rick, No2, Dr X, The Mayor from 1001 maniacs and Wolverine as 'Patch'?
No way, those guys rule.
Screeny
10-17-2007, 08:54 PM
Anyone with a shred of culture would know that kingly robes come with suede elbow pads. Really, Newt - you embarrass yourself.
Knuckles
10-17-2007, 08:56 PM
He's from the South. He can't help it.
If it ain't white flannel, it ain't nothing special.
Screeny
10-17-2007, 08:58 PM
You mean like Snake Plissken, Nick Fury, Slick Rick, No2, Dr X, The Mayor from 1001 maniacs and Wolverine as 'Patch'?
No way, those guys rule.
Yeah...but how many times have you heard a girl say something like 'I like you, but I won't consider going out with you unless you gouge out your eye and dress like a fictional pratt?
Only once. If she'd been just a little hotter...
Knuckles
10-17-2007, 09:00 PM
Yeah...but how many times have you heard a girl say something like 'I like you, but I won't consider going out with you unless you gouge out your eye and dress like a fictional pratt?
Once, but I believe she said her eyes.
Biofungus
10-17-2007, 09:37 PM
Once, but I believe she said her eyes.
I think that was actually Matt Waterman in drag :rolleyes:
Knuckles
10-18-2007, 10:33 AM
I was wondering why she had an apple's adam. I will say Matt did look good in drag.
spider
10-18-2007, 11:36 AM
Slick Rick isn't fictitious, he is a shining example of a real man...
http://www.mtv.com/shared/media/news/images/s/Slick_Rick/sq-slick-rick-press-arm.jpg
I'm willing to bet the eye patch isn't just a fashion accessory either,
he probably gouged out his eye for the sake of art.
Mike225
10-18-2007, 11:52 AM
I was wondering why she had an apple's adam. I will say Matt did look good in drag."Apple's adam?" :laugh:
Knuckles
10-18-2007, 01:12 PM
Did I mention I'm dyslexic? :whistlin:
Biofungus
10-18-2007, 05:10 PM
Did I mention I'm dyslexic? :whistlin:
t'ndid uoy on.
Wayne Drake
10-18-2007, 06:37 PM
ynnub a otni nrut
Buckyrig
10-18-2007, 06:49 PM
She's dyslexic
VVVVVVVVVVVVVV
http://mlb.imageg.net/graphics/product_images/pMLB2-3701442dt.jpg
What were we talking about again?
Knuckles
10-18-2007, 08:28 PM
Me, slowly turning into a bunny. Hey, what the hell is going on here?
Wayne Drake
10-18-2007, 08:36 PM
Zatanna-speak, that's what!
!pilf kcab a od now
Toyandgadgetguy
10-19-2007, 09:26 AM
Zatanna-speak, that's what!
!pilf kcab a od now
No wonder you're having girl trouble. You're doing your incantations wrong. :nyah:
(last word should be won, not now)
Knuckles
10-19-2007, 10:09 AM
I still did the back flip, but it wasn't now. It was a lot easy since I turned into a bunny. I wonder if I can convince princess to kiss and I will turn into a prince. (if anybody gets that reference, you're awesome.)
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