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Mwynn
10-08-2007, 07:30 PM
Former Mellon Bank employees sentenced for tax return shredding
Saturday, October 06, 2007
By Paula Reed Ward, Pittsburgh Post-Gazette

Two former Mellon Bank employees charged as part of the tax-return shredding case in 2001 were sentenced to probation yesterday in federal court.

Denise Philpott, 52, of Shaler, was ordered to serve three years probation, including six months home detention, and perform 100 hours of community service.

David Bryant, who was the midnight shift supervisor in Mellon's processing facility, received the same sentence.

Mellon had a contract with the Internal Revenue Service and Financial Management Service beginning in 1993 to serve as a processing center for tax returns, vouchers and checks received in Pittsburgh. Most of those came from upstate New York and New England.

But in 2001, as the April 29 deadline approached, there were still tens of thousands of returns left to process. A manager at the center realized they would never complete the work, and she ordered employees to hide and shred them.

In all, 77,000 tax returns were destroyed. Eight former employees have been charged.

Four have pleaded guilty and four others still have their charges pending.

Ms. Philpott and Mr. Bryant were the first to be sentenced. They faced a possible prison term of 21 to 27 months, but the government moved for a reduction because both defendants provided substantial assistance in the case.

After listening to Mr. Bryant apologize for his role in the crime, U.S. District Judge Gary L. Lancaster asked him, "The one question everybody has, how did you think you were going to get away with this?"

"There was no thought involved, really," answered Mr. Bryant, 41, of Wilkinsburg. "I can remember on the 28th of April, everything happened so fast."

He said he got a call from his supervisor telling him what to do.

"Myself and the other manager, we just did it."

As part of a federal investigation into the matter, Mellon agreed to pay $18.1 million to cover the costs for interest lost from the time the checks were shredded to when replacements were sent, as well as the cost to move the processing contracts.

Then, in June, Mellon Financial Corp. agreed to pay $16.5 million to cover civil damages and penalties from violations of the False Claims Act.


Mellon is at war right now with the other banks in Pittsburgh. One of them is going to end up running this city. Then running it further into the ground.

dano
10-08-2007, 07:55 PM
because juries are morons

Buckyrig
10-08-2007, 07:57 PM
Hey, see if you can prove that all jurors are products of the suburbs.

kdmelrose
10-08-2007, 08:00 PM
At the risk of disrupting the Lament of the Disenfranchised Would-be Juror, I don't think there were any juries involved in this case.

:p

Buckyrig
10-08-2007, 08:05 PM
Strictly a cash transaction, eh?

Justice is not for sale!

Not in my country, dammit!

Justice41
10-08-2007, 09:16 PM
Check the political affiliation of the Judges for the answers

Mwynn
10-08-2007, 09:31 PM
I would not even call this a slap on the wrist, they all got time outs.

chaosgoat
10-08-2007, 09:37 PM
Because it's a white-collar crime. Our legal system can't justify the same sentences for shit like this as for petty theives who rob convenience stores. The law is in favor of middle- and upper-class criminals.

wisper
10-08-2007, 09:41 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rCS14PoQc2M

Mwynn
10-08-2007, 09:45 PM
Check the political affiliation of the Judges for the answers
Not sure it needs to go that far, the banks run this city. Mellon did their best to cover this all up. Now they have merged with Bank of New York, they think they can topple the other banks in the city.

wisper
10-08-2007, 09:50 PM
Not sure it needs to go that far, the banks run this city. Mellon did their best to cover this all up. Now they have merged with Bank of New York, they think they can topple the other banks in the city.

dude it's a done deal..BIG $$$$
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bank_of_New_York_Mellon

Mwynn
10-08-2007, 09:53 PM
dude it's a done deal..BIG $$$$
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bank_of_New_York_Mellon
I know I was hired right after the merger. They are dirty dealing, and business is good. Now you look at that 1 trillion in assets and understand that the city is broke, and schools are closing. Some schools are still using outdated books, and crime is up.

wisper
10-08-2007, 10:09 PM
I know I was hired right after the merger. They are dirty dealing, and business is good. Now you look at that 1 trillion in assets and understand that the city is broke, and schools are closing. Some schools are still using outdated books, and crime is up.


that town has been taken...Zombies

http://carnegiesciencecenter.org/default.aspx?pageId=307#

dano
10-08-2007, 10:43 PM
At the risk of disrupting the Lament of the Disenfranchised Would-be Juror, I don't think there were any juries involved in this case.

:p

Fooey! :nyah:

Troy Wall
10-08-2007, 11:49 PM
Every time I find myself in court, which is usually on a monthly basis for some bullshit traffic charge, I'm amazed at how uneven punishments are. Here in LA, you get fined $75 for pleading guilty to fleeing from an officer. Plead guilty to a speeding ticket and it's triple that, easy. I mean, really, $75 for taking The Man on a chase? :blink:

Justice41
10-09-2007, 12:00 AM
Not sure it needs to go that far, the banks run this city. Mellon did their best to cover this all up. Now they have merged with Bank of New York, they think they can topple the other banks in the city.
It's always about politics man, Money is just the means to the ends. Follow the money trail and it always lead back to some shady politics on both sides.

kdmelrose
10-09-2007, 09:42 AM
Every time I find myself in court ...

I just wanted to focus on that.

:whistlin:

The DarkMind
10-09-2007, 09:57 AM
im not sure about the title of this thread asking why punishments are so uneven. I didnt really notice a comparison to show anyone was getting off easier then another. Theres a few that have reduced sentences because they were willing to cooperate and name names, that kind of a deal is common in any trial. even if a group of people conspire to commit murder the one that makes a deal and dimes the others out will get less harsh of a sentence, even if he's the one that pulled the trigger. pleading guilty and being cooperative with the courts will get someone a lot of privileges over those trying to plead innocence.

in this case, im sure the managers that gave the order to shred the documents will get a stiffer penalty then the lowly clerks that did the shredding. they wont get off scott free because "i was just doing what i was told" is never an acceptable defense since you are supposed to question the actions of your superiors, but it will get them a reduced sentence.

Mwynn
10-09-2007, 10:03 AM
It says in the article that they gave up info.

Ms. Philpott and Mr. Bryant were the first to be sentenced. They faced a possible prison term of 21 to 27 months, but the government moved for a reduction because both defendants provided substantial assistance in the case.

It is uneven because it is not a real punishment. This is the kind of punishment a child gets for breaking windows.

Raven
10-09-2007, 10:10 AM
The first lesson I learned about the law:

If you want to rob a place, get a job there. Robbery gets you 5-10 years if you go in in a mask. But rob them from the inside as an employee and you'll only get a couple months.

The DarkMind
10-09-2007, 10:15 AM
see, they sang like little canaries. the courts love that. also, regardless of any plea bargain or move for reduction in sentencing, it ultimately comes down to the judge. he can over ride any bargain or movement if he finds it to not be acceptable.

now, i agree the punishment is way too light, but along the same lines of a childs punishment... if more then one kid breaks the window, they are all getting grounded, but the one that does the finger pointing will not be grounded as long as the others. same thing applies here. :laugh:

DemolitionSamurai
10-09-2007, 10:19 AM
That's because usually they're two different crimes. Robbery is the use of force directly against someone to take something. Most cases of inside jobs are done without the use of force or the threat of force, and so those cases constitute larceny, a lesser offense.

Mwynn
10-09-2007, 10:36 AM
There is the problem. If people are not properly punished there is no reason, for them not to commit these crimes.

The DarkMind
10-09-2007, 10:49 AM
but its a black mark on their permanent record that will follow them for the rest of their lives!

seriously though, it will make getting a job a lot harder for those convicted. i almost lost the job i have now because my background check didn't come back until 2 weeks after my start date and they almost let me go for the simple assault and endangering the welfare of another person charges that came back. i had to write a whole long explanation of the charges for the legal department here to evaluate if i was a violent threat. i was stressing until they decided it was an isolated incident.

in a case like this, these people knowingly destroyed federal documents, and while i dont know what the exact legal charges are, i'm sure its going to make it damn difficult for them to get a job in the same field of work again... or anything above minimum wage that places responsibility on them.