winnie cooper is a mathematician

[omega sentry]

who knew....that's hot. :)

[xombey]

so is blossom... not so hot

[Buckyrig]

Yeah...she published some big deal paper too...Co-authored I believe.

Can't remember, but I think I heard she is (or is a candidate for) a PhD.

[omega sentry]

so is blossom... not so hot

Right, right

http://www.sliceoftheday.com/danica_mckellar/danica-mckellar-0605-003.jpg

:w00t:

[Mwynn]

Right, right

http://www.sliceoftheday.com/danica_mckellar/danica-mckellar-0605-003.jpg

:w00t:
Someone gets this girl some steak and taters stat.

[xombey]

http://www.celebrity-babies.com/images/mbialik.jpg see, now you're making me have to be mean

[The Dag]

http://www.celebrity-babies.com/images/mbialik.jpg see, now you're making me have to be mean
lol

[xombey]

Someone gets this girl some steak and taters stat.
:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

[kdmelrose]

Ellen Muth is a member of Mensa.

[Buckyrig]

Ellen Muth is a member of Mensa.

Big deal. So is doboy1.

[Mike225]

Ellen Muth is a member of Mensa.Who?

[kdmelrose]

George Lass from Dead Like Me.

[Mike225]

:blink:

[kdmelrose]

Does that mean you're surprised, or that you still don't know who she is?

[xombey]

she looks like she would be. and i don't mean that in a bad way, just that it's beliveable on a superficial, stereotypical level. like if you said pamela anderson was also in mensa i'd be surprised.


but remember, that guy on the apprentice who was in mensa, not only didn't win, but came off looking prety dumb in my book.

[Buckyrig]

Porn star Asia Carrera is a Mensa Member...Analyze that one, Sparky!

[Mike225]

Does that mean you're surprised, or that you still don't know who she is?Don't know who she is. She's a chick and she plays a character named "George?"

[kdmelrose]

She's a chick and she plays a character named "George?"

Yes; a shortened form of Georgia.

http://www.sho.com/site/deadlikeme/images/george_char_pic.jpg

[Newt]

The only requirement to join Mensa is that you place in the top 2% of scores on a standard intelligence test. Of course, the only thing standard intelligence tests really assay is how good you are at taking standard intelligence tests.

[kdmelrose]

Says someone who's not in Mensa.

[Jon Dahl]

I just took the Mensa fun test:

Your score was 22 out of 30. That is a very good score, you would have a good chance of passing the Mensa test.


And I'm uneduacted. :laugh:

http://www.mensa.org/index0.php?page=12

[Mike225]

Yeah, and he spelled "essay" wrong *snicker*

[Buckyrig]

The only requirement to join Mensa is that you place in the top 2% of scores on a standard intelligence test. Of course, the only thing standard intelligence tests really assay is how good you are at taking standard intelligence tests.

You just missed by one question, didn't you?

[Newt]

I've never applied to Mensa, and when I say 'assay' I damn well mean 'assay'. You jerks.

[Buckyrig]

I just took the Mensa fun test:

Your score was 22 out of 30. That is a very good score, you would have a good chance of passing the Mensa test.


And I'm uneduacted. :laugh:

IQ tests aren't about education.

[Newt]

He didn't say anything about education, he said he's uneduacted. Eduaction is an important component of general intelligence.

[Buckyrig]

So's your face!

[omega sentry]

Someone gets this girl some steak and taters stat.

ehh I think that's just the photoshop magazine work...she looked normal on TV the other day.

[Mike225]

So's your face!He's got you there, Newt.

[xombey]

Porn star Asia Carrera is a Mensa Member...Analyze that one, Sparky!
what, no picture to go with that?

[xombey]

He didn't say anything about education, he said he's uneduacted. Eduaction is an important component of general intelligence.
if you measure by education, then a lot nof what your measuring is how muc someone knows about a given culture.

[Newt]

Hey, I got 24 of 30 right on the silly Mensa quiz!

[Buckyrig]

I got zero. :cry:

[Amadarwin]

Porn star Asia Carrera is a Mensa Member...Analyze that one, Sparky!
I wouldn't mind analizing her.

[Newt]

I got zero. :cry:

It's okay, Bucky, we all still respect you just as much as we did before.

[kdmelrose]

I've never applied to Mensa, and when I say 'assay' I damn well mean 'assay'. You jerks.

Assay, that's a joke, son!

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/a/a0/Foghorn_Leghorn.png

[Toyandgadgetguy]

Big deal. So is doboy1.

Prove it.

[The DarkMind]

what, no picture to go with that?

you cant look this stuff up yourself? geez, at least you'll get more exposed pics if you do a search....

http://www.jennajameson4free.com/images/weekpics/asiacarrera.jpg

[maverick]

who new....that's hot. :)

new? that shit is old as hell.

[FA]

MENSA is just designed to milk money from people who are smart enough to know that peanut is to fork as fishwife is to bananaboat but apparently not smart enough to know that it's a scam playing on their need to feel intellectually superior.

If you're a society of above average intelligence, you should be able to properly phrase a question....

17. The same word can be added to the end of GRASS and the beginning of SCAPE to form two other English words?

Fuck them.




And I got 27. Damn you, need to feel intellectually superior! Damn you to hell! :( :mad:

[xombey]

17. The same word can be added to the end of GRASS and the beginning of SCAPE to form two other English words?

this question shows that what's being measure is how much you know abouot a particular culture, not how intelligent you are. unless speaking english is a clear sign of intelligence...george bush speaks english...

that's not even a question

[kdmelrose]

It ends with a question mark. Therefore, it's clearly a question.

I mean, Therefore, it's clearly a question?

[Buckyrig]

A proper IQ assessment it tailored.

These written things are supposed to be a jumping off point.

[kdmelrose]

Then jump off.

[Buckyrig]

No

[kdmelrose]

Fuck.

[FA]

It ends with a question mark. Therefore, it's clearly a question.

Clearly is an anagram of Carlyle.

So THERE, brainiac.

[The DarkMind]

The answer is LAND. what do i win?

[kdmelrose]

Clearly is an anagram of Carlyle.

So THERE, brainiac.

Cabin air!

[Buckyrig]

The answer is LAND. what do i win?

Pierogi!

[Newt]

The idea of IQ as some inalterable quantity of smartness is kind of weird. The originator of the IQ test was trying to develop a tool to identify children who needed additional help to catch up to their classmates, not to figure out which kids were 'smart' and which ones were 'dumb'. So it's supposed to be like any standard achievement test. Unfortunately, it's treated like a penetrating examination of mental quality. And of course, there are issues of what exactly the test is measuring; 'intelligence' is not it.

[The DarkMind]

Pierogi!

:w00t: :w00t:

[Buckyrig]

The idea of IQ as some inalterable quantity of smartness is kind of weird.

They've been demonstrated to change over time.

Also, Sharon Stone has a genius IQ.

[Nitecrawlah2]

Scored a 27 as well. I am so smart! I am so smart! S-M-R-T!

Can we get back to the subject at hand? Winnie Cooper's hot as hell :w00t: !

[Buckyrig]

Winnie Cooper is a fictional character, Eintstein! :yawn:

[Nitecrawlah2]

Hey, it's my laziness that didn't bother looking up her real name on Wiki :slap: !

[Buckyrig]

Laziness is stupidity.
















according to criteria I just made up

[Newt]

So's your face!

[Buckyrig]

Go eat a stick of butter!

[The-Spirit]

Winnie Cooper is a fictional character, Eintstein! :yawn:
I was thinking that.

[Buckyrig]

I was thinking that.

Uh...here...you...uh...go...? :huh:

http://www.myantiquemall.com/kewpielight.jpg

[The-Spirit]

Uh...here...you...uh...go...? :huh:

http://www.myantiquemall.com/kewpielight.jpgWe don't want to know about your fetish.

[omega sentry]

Winnie Cooper is a fictional character, Eintstein! :yawn:

Yeah well who in hell and damnation Fantasized about Danica McKellar???
But I sure as hell remembered Winnie Cooper when I was little hellion .

there you go Nitecrawlah2,
http://fuseblog.typepad.com/dailydownload/images/danica_mckellar3_061505.jpg

[omega sentry]

We don't want to know about your fetish.


He likes pink little plastic babies??? :blink:

[The-Spirit]

He likes pink little plastic babies??? :blink:
sick isn't it?

[deanne]

Porn star Asia Carrera is a Mensa Member...Analyze that one, Sparky!


I saw a movie she was in not too long ago.

[The DarkMind]

I saw a movie she was in not too long ago.

ive seen a lot of movies she was in, own a few too... :whistlin:

[Mike225]

Asia was in Big Lebowski, too.

[Scott James]

MENSA is just designed to milk money from people who are smart enough to know that peanut is to fork as fishwife is to bananaboat but apparently not smart enough to know that it's a scam playing on their need to feel intellectually superior.
Very true.

I took the free induction test and was told to wait 30 days for my results.

Upon hearing from them a month later they told me I would have to cough up money for 'further tests'. Fuckers.

[deanne]

ive seen a lot of movies she was in, own a few too... :whistlin:


I don't own any. I did tell this girl I work with about a book I was reading and she said it reminded her of a movie...She brought it to work and I watched it that night. I must say that I was NOT impressed at all. lol

[Biofungus]

I don't own any. I did tell this girl I work with about a book I was reading and she said it reminded her of a movie...She brought it to work and I watched it that night. I must say that I was NOT impressed at all. lol
What the hell are you reading, and where can I get a copy? :har:

[Toyandgadgetguy]

What the hell are you reading, and where can I get a copy? :har:

I'm impressed that, so far, nobody's mentioned wanting to meet Deanne's friend with the porn collection (and the girl's ability to recall a story from one of the movies... porn, with a story... imagine that!)

[Buckyrig]

Friggin' Mensa rejects! :sure:

[Toyandgadgetguy]

Wouldn't have been rejected if she'd have had the money for more testing!

[Buckyrig]

:huh: That makes no sense.

If someone is smart enough to be in Mensa, they have to be rich.

This is a meritocracy, right? :huh:

[Toyandgadgetguy]

Lotsa lazy smart folk out there. Lots.

[Buckyrig]

How can one be lazy and smart.

Not possible.

Sheesh.

[Toyandgadgetguy]

The results can be seen in fat and pocket protectors, dude. Come on. Where the hell is your enlightenment?

[Buckyrig]

In 2007, hard work is not synonymous with physical exertion.

[Toyandgadgetguy]

Pass me a bacon cheeseburger, then... please?

[Buckyrig]

I ate the last one. :cry:

[The DarkMind]

be honest now... you ate the last six.

[Buckyrig]

I reset the counter at the top of each hour.

[Toyandgadgetguy]

It's always the same story with you. Last time, you told me that they forgot the fries, but I know you ate them on the way home.

[Buckyrig]

Uh...I prefer onion rings, dude.

[RandallFlagg]

Asia was in Big Lebowski, too.
Was her cable ever fixed? :huh:

[The Scribe]

What happened to Winnie Cooper? She used to be a nice girl. Now she is a pole dancer in porn? :confused: :p

[Mike225]

Was her cable ever fixed? :huh:Don't be fatuous, Randall.

[Toyandgadgetguy]

Uh...I prefer onion rings, dude.

You just keep sticking to that story, dude.






(I actually started ordering chicken nuggets instead of fries)

[Toyandgadgetguy]

So does this make her a MILF?

[Buckyrig]

I really prefer a baked potato...but Wendy's is the only fast food joint that does that and they turn a baked potato into something just as unhealthy as Biggie Fries.

But if I order a burger at a restaurant, I'll sub a baked potato most of the time. :)

[Newt]

Taters!

[Nitecrawlah2]

What happened to Winnie Cooper? She used to be a nice girl. Now she is a pole dancer in porn? :confused: :p
I'd like to see irrefutable evidence regarding your claims good sir :whistlin: .

[omega sentry]

So does this make her a MILF?


Who bucky??? :blink: I thought you had to be a mother to have the M to the ILF...

[The Scribe]

I'd like to see irrefutable evidence regarding your claims good sir :whistlin: .

I'm just saying she might as well be posing for pictures like that.

[xombey]

while, the m is for mother, i look at it in a broader sense, meaning any woman that might be a contemporary of your mother or maybe even a girl who might have baby sat you. i know that most people just go with the mother, but if you're 40 and she's 25, she's not a milf--not to you. imo she has to be older--art least 14 yrs. she doesn't have to be anyone's mother. ofcourse, this means that the older you get the less milfs there are around. 'cause the "ilf" in my definition is not that broad. but it's like real boobs. the big ones are more special 'cause they're rarer

[The DarkMind]

while, the m is for mother, i look at it in a broader sense, meaning any woman that might be a contemporary of your mother or maybe even a girl who might have baby sat you. i know that most people just go with the mother, but if you're 40 and she's 25, she's not a milf--not to you. imo she has to be older--art least 14 yrs. she doesn't have to be anyone's mother. ofcourse, this means that the older you get the less milfs there are around. 'cause the "ilf" in my definition is not that broad. but it's like real boobs. the big ones are more special 'cause they're rarer

um... the "mother" in MILF does not pertain to someone like your mother or a mother figure like a baby sitter. its is any woman who (preferably not related and does not remind you of any relatives) has children.

you're description of the term only applies to the deep south :slap:

MILF has a text book term, its not open to interpretation. And if you're 40 and she's 25 then not only is she a MILF but she's a MILF you probably stand no chance with :laugh:

[Newt]

Again with the Southern cracks! You should be encouraging American unity by mocking "Great" Britain and Canadia.

[Toyandgadgetguy]

Who bucky??? :blink: I thought you had to be a mother to have the M to the ILF...

I was thinking Mathematician.

[Buckyrig]

This thread is dumb.

[Mwynn]

So if it was reversed for the females would it be F.I.L.F.

[Buckyrig]

It's DILF.

[FA]

Couple of months ago, I saw a pre-teen girl walking along the riverfront wearing a t-shirt that read "future MILF"

Well done, parents.

[Buckyrig]

That one's probably Britney's fault.

[FA]

If we lived in a society that wasn't completely fucking rotten, nothing would be britney's fault. She'd still be just another poorly raised kid stocking shelves at the Family Dollar and pumping out spawn in the hopes of getting someone to love her.

[Buckyrig]

Capitalism is infallible, you harpy! :mad:

It holds the Keys to truth, happiness, and the Ultimate Question!

Science is for fucking nerds!

[FA]

There I go sympathising with communism again. Quick, someone call the INS.

[Buckyrig]

I'm calling Dog.

http://static.flickr.com/88/243316596_233870be1c_m.jpg

[xombey]

If we lived in a society that wasn't completely fucking rotten, nothing would be britney's fault. She'd still be just another poorly raised kid stocking shelves at the Family Dollar and pumping out spawn in the hopes of getting someone to love her.
what's with all the harshness directed at this girl? i don't really care for her music, but sheeeeesh.....

[FA]

what's with all the harshness directed at this girl? i don't really care for her music, but sheeeeesh.....

That's not harshness directed at her. She was just a kid catapulted into the spotlight and a destructive lifestyle by the adults around her. As fair as I'm concerned, she got fucked over.

If society wasn't completely fucking rotten, she wouldn't be suffering from such a stratospheric level of fame that she can't take a shit without it appearing in the papers. Everything else there is harshness directed at bad parenting.

[Buckyrig]

what's with all the harshness directed at this girl? i don't really care for her music, but sheeeeesh.....

Britney in the context of this discussion is really "Britney". She is the symbol of a cultural phenomenon.

I specifically mentioned her because I have, in fact, seen her, specifically, in photos wearing a shirt that read, "Future MILF" or something similar.

[omega sentry]

If we lived in a society that wasn't completely fucking rotten, nothing would be britney's fault. She'd still be just another poorly raised kid stocking shelves at the Family Dollar and pumping out spawn in the hopes of getting someone to love her.


Nothing that happens to any adolescent girl out there is her fault. People just love to blame some one else rather than acknowledge their faults. I sincerely doubt that if she jumped of a bridge people would do the same. All that is happening to her, is her own damn fault. I don’t think anyone is fucking her over either. She doesn’t have to do any off the things she is doing. The fact is if she didn’t feel the need or didn’t need to sell her music and other stuff you wouldn’t see much of her. Is not hard to end up on VH1’s “ where are they now ” or even keep a low profile. They do it cause they need to sell and obviously they will go as low as they can to do so.

I agree, we live on a society that is completely fucking rotten to the core. There isn’t much one can do. Who cares life your live the best you can. Nothing people say or do should affect you. Cause people are irrelevant unless their close to you and love you. I think that is the first thing on the list of what is wrong. People pay to much attention about what she said he said and what is cool or not.


:blink: I'm going to puke, you made me get serious... :yuk:

[Troy Wall]

Cognitive assessment is my bread and butter. I give at least one Weschler's a week, either for SPED qualifications or students (usually their parents on their behalf) requesting to be tested for entrance into gifted programs.

IQ assessment tests from reputable publishers like Weschler's and Kauffman are highly stable, normed to hell and back and WILL provide a stable picture of someone's cognitive functioning if given correctly.

It's interesting--If I give a Weschler's for Childern (WISC-IV) to a child of around eight to nine years of age, and test them years later after they've entered adulthood with the WAIS-III for a adults, we can on the average be 95% certain that the full-scale IQ will not have budged plus or minus six points, assuming all tests are administered properly. Freaky, eh?

Some portions of IQ tests may depend on education, specifically those that assess crystallized information. In my field, students that enjoy an enriched home environment will score higher than those with parents who failed to read to them and all that good stuff. This correlates with IQ scores remaining so devilishly stable--a child that's not read to will more than likely not develop a taste for reading, which in turn will result in a deficient vocabulary in adulthood.

Now, let's all take a moment here and think about how weird it is that the guy who usually only makes posts about fucking stuff is lecturing you on cog. assessment.

Ahem.

Someone mentioned how high Mensa members score on a standardized intelligence test to be considered for membership. Remember, these people score in the top two percentile of the test's normal distribution. This is NO small feat, considering that 68% of us, myself included, will fall within one standard deviation of the mean. (The mean score for the Weschler is 100, and scoring even a 115-120 will STILL not take you above one standard deviation.) Getting the picture? Two standard deviations from the mean will capture 95% of the American population, and Mensa members score above even this. It's pretty difficult to score THREE standard deviations above the mean score of 100, which is what Mensa members do.

[Troy Wall]

Oh, and I'd fuck the shit outta Winnie Cooper. Daaaaamn.

[Newt]

Hey Troy,

Have you read Stephen Jay Gould's The Mismeasure of Man?

I just finished it. It's largely about the history of cognitive assessment and the social bias and logical errors of those who have used it to support strict hereditarian interpretations of IQ, with attendant social consequences. It was prompted specifically in response to a book by Arthur Jensen claiming that the lower mean IQ score of American blacks was innate and unameliorable, and was later updated to take on Herrnstein and Murray's The Bell Curve. It's pretty awesome.

[FA]

Nothing that happens to any adolescent girl out there is her fault. People just love to blame some one else rather than acknowledge their faults. I sincerely doubt that if she jumped of a bridge people would do the same. All that is happening to her, is her own damn fault. I don’t think anyone is fucking her over either.

Read what I actually said. She was 16 when she was placed in a position that even very few adults can mentally and emotionally handle - she got fucked over by the people around her who, instead of putting the brakes on, lined up to milk her like the cash cow she is today.

[Buckyrig]

Milk is important for strong bones and teeth.

[xombey]

http://cagle.com/news/BafflingBritney/images/matson.jpg

[Newt]

Milk is important for strong bones and teeth.

SPAM!

[compton]

Cognitive assessment is my bread and butter. I give at least one Weschler's a week, either for SPED qualifications or students (usually their parents on their behalf) requesting to be tested for entrance into gifted programs.

IQ assessment tests from reputable publishers like Weschler's and Kauffman are highly stable, normed to hell and back and WILL provide a stable picture of someone's cognitive functioning if given correctly.

It's interesting--If I give a Weschler's for Childern (WISC-IV) to a child of around eight to nine years of age, and test them years later after they've entered adulthood with the WAIS-III for a adults, we can on the average be 95% certain that the full-scale IQ will not have budged plus or minus six points, assuming all tests are administered properly. Freaky, eh?

Some portions of IQ tests may depend on education, specifically those that assess crystallized information. In my field, students that enjoy an enriched home environment will score higher than those with parents who failed to read to them and all that good stuff. This correlates with IQ scores remaining so devilishly stable--a child that's not read to will more than likely not develop a taste for reading, which in turn will result in a deficient vocabulary in adulthood.

Now, let's all take a moment here and think about how weird it is that the guy who usually only makes posts about fucking stuff is lecturing you on cog. assessment.

Ahem.

Someone mentioned how high Mensa members score on a standardized intelligence test to be considered for membership. Remember, these people score in the top two percentile of the test's normal distribution. This is NO small feat, considering that 68% of us, myself included, will fall within one standard deviation of the mean. (The mean score for the Weschler is 100, and scoring even a 115-120 will STILL not take you above one standard deviation.) Getting the picture? Two standard deviations from the mean will capture 95% of the American population, and Mensa members score above even this. It's pretty difficult to score THREE standard deviations above the mean score of 100, which is what Mensa members do.

while that's interesting. Being that I have a minor case of dyslexia, means that most IQ tests are shit to me. They don't judge my actual intelligence because I process information differently. I used to have allot of problems trying to understand what some questions where even asking . specifically in the "If bob is faster than sally and sally is faster than tom.." area of questioning.
I think they can be used to judge a specific type of intelligence for sure, but I strongly believe there are several different types of "smart"

[omega sentry]

Read what I actually said. She was 16 when she was placed in a position that even very few adults can mentally and emotionally handle - she got fucked over by the people around her who, instead of putting the brakes on, lined up to milk her like the cash cow she is today.

Please, she has the ball. You can’t blame others for the position you are at. There is always a choice. Besides there are a few other teen princess with the same history as her, their doing ok. If you are stating the questionable fact that they screwed her when she had no control, then I apologies. But even so that is a matter of opinion and perpective.

Over all it’s just a big smoke and mirrors trick too me. That is not worth debating, so I don’t even know why I’m writing hahah…

[down21]

Cognitive assessment is my bread and butter. I give at least one Weschler's a week, either for SPED qualifications or students (usually their parents on their behalf) requesting to be tested for entrance into gifted programs.

IQ assessment tests from reputable publishers like Weschler's and Kauffman are highly stable, normed to hell and back and WILL provide a stable picture of someone's cognitive functioning if given correctly.

It's interesting--If I give a Weschler's for Childern (WISC-IV) to a child of around eight to nine years of age, and test them years later after they've entered adulthood with the WAIS-III for a adults, we can on the average be 95% certain that the full-scale IQ will not have budged plus or minus six points, assuming all tests are administered properly. Freaky, eh?

Some portions of IQ tests may depend on education, specifically those that assess crystallized information. In my field, students that enjoy an enriched home environment will score higher than those with parents who failed to read to them and all that good stuff. This correlates with IQ scores remaining so devilishly stable--a child that's not read to will more than likely not develop a taste for reading, which in turn will result in a deficient vocabulary in adulthood.

Now, let's all take a moment here and think about how weird it is that the guy who usually only makes posts about fucking stuff is lecturing you on cog. assessment.

Ahem.

Someone mentioned how high Mensa members score on a standardized intelligence test to be considered for membership. Remember, these people score in the top two percentile of the test's normal distribution. This is NO small feat, considering that 68% of us, myself included, will fall within one standard deviation of the mean. (The mean score for the Weschler is 100, and scoring even a 115-120 will STILL not take you above one standard deviation.) Getting the picture? Two standard deviations from the mean will capture 95% of the American population, and Mensa members score above even this. It's pretty difficult to score THREE standard deviations above the mean score of 100, which is what Mensa members do.

This thread made me think of this one...
http://www.scienceforums.net/forum/showthread.php?t=27789

The lady whose ID is lucaspa is really interesting...

"1) The Bell Curve is useful only for toilet paper or, perhaps, as an example of bad science.

2) Intelligence is both heritable and determined by the environment. It is NOT reasonable to "assume" that geographically separated populations are going to have statistically different intelligence levels.

You've got several problems:
1. Define precisely what you mean by "intelligence". No one has so far. We have an intuitive feel for it, but no precise definition.
2. Figure out a way to objectively test for it. And no, IQ tests don't do that because they test for knowledge that is cultural. For instance, you could ask you and I what continent France was located on. Or you could ask us how many people are on a football team. Both of those are cultural but give an indication of our "knowledge" or "intelligence", but a !Kung wouldn't know the answers. BUT, ask us which plant indicates underground water in the Kalahari desert, and we would be stumped. A !Kung would know, however.

One problem of The Bell Curve is that they didn't compensate for socio-economic differences in IQ scores. What they needed to do was compare middle-class blacks that lived in the suburbs with middle class whites that lived in the suburbs. Intead, they ended up comparing middle class whites that attended private schools in the suburbs with blacks who lived in the inner city. Apples and oranges.

Another problem is using the information to make social and political judgements. If you plot "intelligence" on the y-axis vs number of people with that value on the x-axis, you will end up with a bell-shaped curve (the title of the book). Even in The Bell Curve, the curves for IQ scores had a HUGE overlap. The means differed (where the most people had a particular IQ score), but that doesn't help you with the individual. Faced with 2 job applicants -- one white and the other black -- it doesn't tell you which is more intelligent because it is extremely easy for the black to be on the right hand side of the curve and white to be on the left hand side. Thus, on an individual basis, the black has about a 50:50 chance of being smarter than the white. So you can't use any differences (even if they exist) in any meaningful way for social or political judgements."

[Buckyrig]

Not that I place much faith in the tests...but...

I've never seen questions like this on an intelligence test...

2. Figure out a way to objectively test for it. And no, IQ tests don't do that because they test for knowledge that is cultural. For instance, you could ask you and I what continent France was located on. Or you could ask us how many people are on a football team. Both of those are cultural but give an indication of our "knowledge" or "intelligence", but a !Kung wouldn't know the answers. BUT, ask us which plant indicates underground water in the Kalahari desert, and we would be stumped. A !Kung would know, however.

It's always patterns and sometimes reading comprehension.

I suppose there is some assumption of knowledge. But two people in the USA taking a test...there is no "cultural" excuse for not knowing what continent France is on.

[xombey]

it also depends on your level of compliance. by definition of "continent", i would say that france is in asia.

[Buckyrig]

Good luck with that.

[xombey]

france is a country on the large mass of continuous land surrounded by water called asia, sometimes called eurasia by europeans who don't want to admit that europe is just a small piece of asia.

[Buckyrig]

ibid.

[xombey]

see, this is perfect. i have no idea what that means.

[Buckyrig]

You're trying to outthink yourself.

[xombey]

what do you mean? if i said on a standardized test that asia is a continent, but europe is just a part of it, i'd be marked incorrect. if i said the civil war was started because of slavery, i'd get a right answer, even tho, that's not the real/major reason for the war

[Buckyrig]

what do you mean? if i said on a standardized test that asia is a continent, but europe is just a part of it, i'd be marked incorrect. if i said the civil war was started because of slavery, i'd get a right answer, even tho, that's not the real/major reason for the war

Avoiding the irony of getting into the revisionist overadjustment of the current Civil War dogma...you answered your own question here.

[xombey]

please be plain. are you saying that europe is a continent regardless of the definition? are you saying that europe does meet the definition of a continent?

[Mike225]

please be plain. :laugh:

[kdmelrose]

He's saying that Europe is a Swedish band.

[Newt]

*ahem* an awesome Swedish band

[Mike225]

Can Winnie Cooper calculate when The Final Countdown will begin?

[kdmelrose]

Come on!

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/8/8d/GOBwithaJOB.JPG/240px-GOBwithaJOB.JPG

[Buckyrig]

please be plain. are you saying that europe is a continent regardless of the definition? are you saying that europe does meet the definition of a continent?

France is in Europe and you know that is the answer.

That is what I'm saying. You're either:

A) Looking way too hard for trick questions

B) More concerned with showing off trivial knowledge than being marked correctly for the answer

[xombey]

ok. i see.

my pt was just to show that the test is culturally based, even with things that we may view as non-cultural. europe as a continent is cultural or political or something...
anyway it doesn't meet the definition of "continent" anymore than "all states on the east coast of the us". i know the answer they're are expecting, but i also know it's wrong.

if i say "europe" that counts towards a higher iq. if i say europe is not a continent, my iq will be lower.

[kdmelrose]

my pt was just to show that the test is culturally based, even with things that we may view as non-cultural. europe as a continent is cultural or political or something...
anyway it doesn't meet the definition of "continent" anymore than "all states on the east coast of the us". i know the answer they're are expecting, but i also know it's wrong.

if i say "europe" that counts towards a higher iq. if i say europe is not a continent, my iq will be lower.

Your quibble is with history, not the IQ test.

I mean, why stop with Europe? Africa and Asia are connected, as are North and South America (only artificial canals separate them). And, really, there's only one, massive world ocean, not five -- give or take -- separate ones.

There's a point where you move from narrow definitions to what is commonly, and historically, accepted.

[Biofungus]

Your quibble is with history

Quoted for truth.

[Mike225]

Quoted for truth.Quoted for truthy.

[Buckyrig]

Quoted for truthy.

It's "truthiness".

Dipshit! :sure:

[Mike225]

I just gave you a red point with my mind.

[Buckyrig]

blow me

[kdmelrose]

He did that with his mind, too.

[Newt]

It's "truthiness".

Dipshit! :sure:

I thought it was 'tru-dattitude'. :blink:

[Mike225]

You fuckers are square!

[Buckyrig]

You fuckers are square!

There's a "square peg/round hole" joke in here somewhere.

[kdmelrose]

http://ec1.images-amazon.com/images/G/01/ciu/ed/ee/92d3225b9da02f5d09b9f010._AA240_.L.jpg

[Buckyrig]

Are you calling Sarah Jessica Parker a slut? :confused:

[Mike225]

I heard she has inverted nipples.

[Buckyrig]

Dude...whathehellaryadoin? :sure:

[Mike225]

What? I'm not stirring up shit, I'm just saying that's what I heard.

[Nitecrawlah2]

Are you calling Sarah Jessica Parker a slut? :confused:
If by slut you mean a horseface, then yes.

[Mike225]

A horseface with inverted nipples!

[kdmelrose]

I think you're projecting.

[Mike225]

I think you're dumb.

[Newt]

I like chili dogs!