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Clem Robins
06-12-2007, 04:31 PM
i had to show a list of names and phone numbers for BPRD today, but the letters and especially the numbers had to be unreadable. you've probably had to do this sort of thing before.

today i figured screw it, i'll design an indecipherable font. i used a pretty common sans serif font as the basis for it, and started dragging nodes around until it looked sufficiently confusing, and installed the font. i called it Greektext.

strangely enough, it was sloppy and strange, but still very readable.

so i went back and made a new version of it, with nodes dragged clear to hell and back. it looked like what you get if you try to write with a fountain pen on a piece of facial tissue. this, i was sure, would work. i generated the font and called it Greektext Indecipherable. and i lettered the page.

they sent back the page and said it was too readable. and they were right. i think i know what crooks felt like on the old Superman show, when after emptying their guns trying to shoot Supes, they'd end up throwing the gun at him.

i have spent the past hour designing Greektext Very Indecipherable.

i hope it works. but there's a lesson in this. the design of our alphabet, and the design of any well-crafted font, is so familiar to all of us, almost from birth, that anything even approximately resembling the 52 letters of the alphabet (upper and lower case), and the ten number characters, will be instantly recognized as such. the moral of the story is that you can go a long, long way in manipulating these characters, and still retain readability.

try it yourself, see what you can get away with. you can get away with practically anything. try adding a fourth horizontal bar to an upper case E. try changing the shape of a lower case p so drastically that it looks like a dead goldfish. the alphabet is virtually bulletproof. no matter what you do to it, it still looks like what it is.

i wish i could post a sample sheet of these three fonts, but i don't have privileges of including attachments on this thing.

Jason Arthur
06-12-2007, 05:09 PM
Personally Clem I always just use the pencil tool in Illustrator to make gibberish.

Just scribble it out and set your stroke accordingly (remove the fill).

-- J

Piekos
06-12-2007, 05:37 PM
Ditto what Jason does.

BUT there is a font, J, that looks just like what we do for the scribble, I think. I saw it somewhere...or I would have made a font for that already.

~N

Kep!
06-12-2007, 06:59 PM
I've used a couple of fonts called ThePrintedWord and TheWrittenWord for years with good success. And while I would love to be snobby and not share, that's just not me:

Both for the MAC (http://www.letterror.com/foundry/goodies/files/LTR_The_Printed_Word_v1.0_Mac.zip)

Both for the PC (http://www.letterror.com/foundry/goodies/files/LTRPrintedWord_win.zip)

Personally, I'd rather see Clem's as it's specifically for a comic and these are not...but these have served me very well over the years.

raya
06-12-2007, 07:04 PM
Thanks Kep! I've been looking for something like this for awhile! :happy:

Kel Nuttall
06-12-2007, 08:05 PM
Thanks, Kep, those will be handy to have around.

cyxodus
06-12-2007, 09:11 PM
Wow! That's good, Kep.

Lord Fejj
06-12-2007, 10:33 PM
If you type out two completely different faces in Illustrator, convert them to outlines, then blend the two with about 15 steps in between, you can get a pretty undecipherable alphabet, and some grungy ones too. Only problem is they're no longer fonts, you have to arrange them by hand. I guess if you have fontographer or something like that you can make it a font again.

Just an old trick, might be to obvious.

Digital-CAPS
06-12-2007, 11:30 PM
Exactly what I do, Lord. But these fonts Kep shared will help me when I'm in a hurry. Thanks, Kep! You're too nice! Will be certain to return the favor next time I can ;)

Clem Robins
06-13-2007, 12:03 PM
these are great solutions, particularly the one about juxtaposing two different blocks of outlined type.

but you're sorta missing my point. what i was trying to discuss is how completely recognizable the alphabet is to all of us, and the leeway this permits us as type designers to do wacko things with the letters of the alphabet. no matter what you do to 'em, they look like what they are.

Kep!
06-13-2007, 12:10 PM
i agree, there's no limit to what the mind can understand. I look forward to seeing (and stealing) your solution.