Ghost Rider

[wisper]

big $$ maker here! 1:15 pm show.

[Jonzeartist]

I don't know, maybe or maybe not. I saw it today and I thought it was okay, but bear in mind it comes from someone who isn't too familiar with the comic. It's much like Lord of the Rings where I never read the books when I saw the movies but those are apples and oranges.

Based solely on the content before me I thought it was okay, not the best movie I've ever seen The big bike in flames was bitchin' and riding up the buildings was awesome.

Jon

[Justice41]

I'm catching a matinee tomorrow. I expect it to be cheesy but fun. C'mon just trying to keep track of Cage's hairpiece will be enough entertainment. It's getting reamed at AICN and I hear at Rottentomatoes.

[The_Terror]

I'm going this weekend. My friend really wants to see it and he's paying so I'm going, it should be a fun movie at least. I'm not expecting a lot I rarely read the comic so I have no problems if they've changed things. I gotta say he looks just like the comic character which is something fans bemoan every time they make one of these flicks.
From the trailers and stuff I think they borrowed the Spawn origin, he makes a deal with the devil to save the woman he loves. Is this the original Ghost Rider origin? I don't know I don't care, this movie is destined to go to DVD pretty quick but it outta be a fun at least watchable flick.

My standards are pretty low on comic flicks.

[wisper]

never read the comic myself. timing is everything...Yo!
no school here...kid factor was excellent review talk...word of mouth by pg13 kids....

[Justice41]

Yeah it's the Origins so Spawn and Toddy boy stole that from it but they all stole it from Faust.
They look to have combined bothe versions of GR Johnny Blaze as the Human and The newer GR as... Gr. He has the spikes on the shoulder like the new GR at least.

[Biofungus]

Anyone see the preview on Cartoon Network last night at midnight? :yuk:

[khopson]

I saw the movie today and it was better than I expected. It should be noted that I've never read Ghost Rider before (I'm more of a DC guy) so I don't know how accurate the story is. However, I expected the movie to be a lot worse based on the previews. It was a fun movie (Ghost Rider was more of a bad ass than I anticipated) and there was an excellent turnout for a Friday morning (11:30) show.

[Mwynn]

http://www.newsarama.com/superarticulate/Hasbro07/Ghost-Rider-Chain-Attack.jpg

[Paul Sanderson]

I saw it late yesterday, and it's as bad as I thought it would be, possibly even a bit worse. It's laughably bad.

[Justice41]

Why in hell do you go see movies you already made up your mind would be bad? That's some masochistic tendencies right thurrr. :slap:

[Paul Sanderson]

For two reasons a) I needed to see if my impression of the film from the trailers was right or wrong (in this instance, right), and b) it's best to comment on a film you've actually seen. Unlike you and Superman Returns :rolleyes:

[Biofungus]

http://www.newsarama.com/superarticulate/Hasbro07/Ghost-Rider-Chain-Attack.jpg
Wow, was that sculpted by blind orangutans?

[Kep!]

Wow, was that sculpted by blind orangutans?
The head is really bad...but those leg joints sell the piece. Damn.

[Biofungus]

The head is really bad...but those leg joints sell the piece. Damn.
I think the selling point of this thing is the Nic Cage disembodied head...

[Justice41]

For two reasons a) I needed to see if my impression of the film from the trailers was right or wrong (in this instance, right), and b) it's best to comment on a film you've actually seen. Unlike you and Superman Returns :rolleyes:
Wrongo pally I have seen SR It took me four tries as I fell asleep after about and hour in. It took four tries to watch that drek. It was an awful movie it had no heart it was just a shell of a flick a movie made for no reason whatsoever. Just pure garbage. Even the one scene of him saving the plane was full of stupidity like Lane bouncing around the cabinet yet nary a bump or bruise much less major fractures. Just stupid and anyone who says otherwise is just as stupid as SR was.

[Deadfish07]

http://www.newsarama.com/superarticulate/Hasbro07/Ghost-Rider-Chain-Attack.jpg

I guess this is Marvel's first venture with the new toy company... Not exacty off to a good start.

[Justice41]

God that's awful.

[Mike225]

That is the sleepiest action figure I've ever seen.

[Calloway]

Well, I'll avoid it like I planned. Apparently it wasn't previewed for critics, which is always a bad sign.

[Imboden]

I'm not good with reviews because I think they are generally full of crap; too much over-analyzing things and so forth. But if I DID do reviews, here's what mine would look like for 'Ghost Rider':

As a visual movie, 'Ghost Rider' is a very good film. I've never been a huge fan of the character but I've always loved his LOOK. He just looks bad ass. And the movie does a very good job of bringing that total bad-assness to life. If this had been 90 minutes of Ghost Rider ripping around on his bike with flames and chains and all of that How Do You Do, it would have been a great movie.

Too bad they needed to stick a story in it and try to inject some human element.

Eva Mendez either can't act or didn't care about this role. The only thing she added to the movie were the couple of scenes where she obviously was working the cleavage. Aside from that, the role of Roxanne Simpson could have been played by a refrigerator box with a woman drawn on the side. Nic Cage, on the other hand, did as well a job as was expected. You could tell at times that he was really having fun finally doing the comic movie he's been itching to do for so long. The rest of the time, however, he was typical Cage; somewhat listless and a bit hammy and to prove what a rebel he is, Cage's Johnny Blaze doesn't drink booze, he drinks jelly beans from a schooner glass and he listens to the Carpenters.

Now, the biggest failing of this movie was that it was, I assume, supposed to be an action movie. For an action movie there was quite a lot of NON-ACTION going on. And when there WAS action it didn't last for more than a half a minute at a time. That's sad, too. With as good as the effects looked, a big brawling fight would have been sexy. As it was, a whip with a chain, a fireball of dirt or a goofy Penance Stare left me wondering why there were even villains in the first place. They put up no fight and offered no struggle. Baby kittens or Emmanuel Lewis would have been just as much of a challenge.

It's not just "Rainy Days and Mondays" that [always] get me down; it's also seeing movies like this that fail miserably at what they are trying to be.

6 out 10 (five for effects, two for Eva's boobies and minus one for everything else)

[Rob Norton]

Wrongo pally I have seen SR It took me four tries as I fell asleep after about and hour in. It took four tries to watch that drek. It was an awful movie it had no heart it was just a shell of a flick a movie made for no reason whatsoever. Just pure garbage. Even the one scene of him saving the plane was full of stupidity like Lane bouncing around the cabinet yet nary a bump or bruise much less major fractures. Just stupid and anyone who says otherwise is just as stupid as SR was.


yeeeeahhh....cause anyone else with different tastes is stupid. yyeaaahh...

ghost rider...im bummed. it really wasnt anywhere near what i shoulda been. the effects on GR were great. he looked awesome...perfect like should look. but this movie should have been the SCARIEST comic movie ever made. hes a dammed demon spirit from hell riding satans harley...i should not be laughing at HUMOR in this show. which i was. i was laughing, not at how awful something was..but rather things that were actually kinda funny. and thats not what this show should have been. GR looked great...but thats about it. and the villians and all thier dialouge is stuff you have seen and heard on tons of other movies. its a shame really.

rob

[Biofungus]

Wrongo pally I have seen SR It took me four tries as I fell asleep after about and hour in. It took four tries to watch that drek. It was an awful movie it had no heart it was just a shell of a flick a movie made for no reason whatsoever. Just pure garbage. Even the one scene of him saving the plane was full of stupidity like Lane bouncing around the cabinet yet nary a bump or bruise much less major fractures. Just stupid and anyone who says otherwise is just as stupid as SR was.
So you paid to see it in the theatre 4 times and kept falling asleep? Because you posted an awful lot of your criticisms about it when it first came out (and some even before that).

[Paul Sanderson]

I think the selling point of this thing is the Nic Cage disembodied head...

What I find funny is that the action figure's hair looks more real than the dead cat on Cage's head in the film :confused:

I seem to recall Roy promising to never see it (SR that is)...4 times, eh? That's like that 200 fight story. Suuuuuure...

[Justice41]

So you paid to see it in the theatre 4 times and kept falling asleep? Because you posted an awful lot of your criticisms about it when it first came out (and some even before that).
Are you nuts? Only a fool goes to see a movie at the theater that the announced was a piece of garbage sight unseen. I watched it on DVD from Netflix. Geez Louise.
My crits before it came out was strictly, at first, based on the storyline and the ugly ass costume. Everyone always assume that when anyone crits a beloved movie like SR was supposed to be that they are talking out the ass. I only critted (sp?) what I had seen and read about the story. People just hate when you shit on their beloved movies, comics girlfriends car whatever. They lack perspective and they get tunnel vision and only see and hear what they want to.
SR stunk simple as that.

[Justice41]

What I find funny is that the action figure's hair looks more real than the dead cat on Cage's head in the film :confused:

I seem to recall Roy promising to never see it (SR that is)...4 times, eh? That's like that 200 fight story. Suuuuuure...
Never said that, I said I would never pay to see it. My over 200 fights story is very true. I have the arrest record to show for it as well as the scarred up knuckles and chipped teeth and busted nose. I never lie to strangers. If I say it happened believe me it happened. My friends were hoodlums. Cubans Ecuadoreans and Puerto Ricans all a buncha hoodlums from Miami. These guys love to start trouble. It was some fun times. People never believe anything they don't have the guts, stomach, or heart, to do that others do. Eat it ya limp wristed milksops.

[Jon Dahl]

Never said that, I said I would never pay to see it. My over 200 fights story is very true. I have the arrest record to show for it as well as the scarred up knuckles and chipped teeth and busted nose.

This has nothing to do with Ghost Rider, but how did you go from that to being an artist?

(No, I am not trying to suck anyone's dick here! He's mean, but he's good at what he does). :laugh:

[The_Terror]

Wrongo pally I have seen SR It took me four tries as I fell asleep after about and hour in.Have you ever been checked for narcolepsy?

[The_Terror]

What I find funny is that the action figure's hair looks more real than the dead cat on Cage's head in the film :confused:
That's because the figure's hair is real, it's real plastic.

[Paul Sanderson]

He's a mean artist, Jon...he's got the scarred knuckles to prove it.

That's because the figure's hair is real, it's real plastic.

Yep, which is more than I can say for that creature atop Cage's melon.

[spider]

That figure looks more like David Shwimmer trying to be cool.

http://www.launchpoker.com/players/people/-celebrity-profile-david-schwimmer-/schwimmer-big.jpg

Resemblance, no?

[Justice41]

This has nothing to do with Ghost Rider, but how did you go from that to being an artist?

(No, I am not trying to suck anyone's dick here! He's mean, but he's good at what he does). :laugh:
I never went from being anything to anything. It was just part of partying on weekends and during the week and on Sundays. You guys act like you didn't have any form of social life. Geez, Wisper is the only one here who looks like he's had some fun with life. He's definitely older than me and Probably has had more run ins with idiot punks than I probably have.
Remember guys I was 20 years old when All this started. That was 22 years ago. Oh and I've been drawing since I was 5.

[wisper]

my mom had me drawing @ 3 yeas old,I could'nt differantiate the color boundarys @ that age a had to put a black border outline around my piece...a brontoesursus.

self photo age 15. http://img244.imageshack.us/img244/8780/1966age15selfphotojon00ze3.th.jpg (http://img244.imageshack.us/my.php?image=1966age15selfphotojon00ze3.jpg)

[Imboden]

So, uhm... maybe you all should get a room and compare fight club stories. Has anyone other than me seen this yet?
I've gotta say, if it wasn't for the free passes I got I would have been mighty pissed off.

[Mr.Musgrave]

I never went from being anything to anything. It was just part of partying on weekends and during the week and on Sundays. You guys act like you didn't have any form of social life. Geez, Wisper is the only one here who looks like he's had some fun with life. He's definitely older than me and Probably has had more run ins with idiot punks than I probably have.
Remember guys I was 20 years old when All this started. That was 22 years ago. Oh and I've been drawing since I was 5.

I've gotten into my fair share of trouble in life, even up to two weeks ago, but I don't look back at the stupid criminal shit I've done with pride. That's the difference.

[eDuke]

Umm, guys... thread topic = Ghost Rider.

[Imboden]

Umm, guys... thread topic = Ghost Rider.

Hey man, I'm trying! I even posted a friggin review and I never do that!

[Kep!]

I do like the refrigerator box bit...a pretty good description of her talent overall.

[wisper]

So, uhm... maybe you all should get a room and compare fight club stories. Has anyone other than me seen this yet?
I've gotta say, if it wasn't for the free passes I got I would have been mighty pissed off.


free passes...free passes. I didnt get no stiken free passes. I payed for my tickets and both Mary and I liked the movie. neither one of us has ever even seen the comic..I was studying the cg and the flames work good in that medium as they are constantly moving...the religious music was kinda creapie..and as fars a cheesie...well the NAME ...the original NAME

JOHNNY BlAZE? I think that was the name..so it's a money maker to me.

[Justice41]

I've gotten into my fair share of trouble in life, even up to two weeks ago, but I don't look back at the stupid criminal shit I've done with pride. That's the difference.
It's life man you shouldn't be ashamed of it and you have to remember how the subject originally came up. It was me and LilGreenMan comparing growing up and getting into trouble and as ED said this is about GR. I had to postpone my theater trip as my Mother is up from Jamaica and she wants to spend the day with the little crumbsnatcher. So no spoilers you guys.

[Calloway]

I never been in 200 fights though. No, I have no pride in any trouble I got into.


So....Ghost rider. The commercials threw me. From what I remember of GR volume 2 and 3 , Johnny Blaze and the other guy were tormented by this demon that would take them over to seek vengence. The commercials showed Nick embracing it.

I never read the original Ghost rider (the cowboy guy) but did he embrace it? Because I totally can't see what Ghost rider their basing this on.

[MatthewMonster]

http://www.superherohype.com/news/topnews.php?id=5228

Biggest Opening for a Flaming Skull Superhero ever.

"Ghost Rider is looking likely to set a new record for a President's Day weekend opener if it hold up well enough to make over $45.1 million over the four-day weekend"

Looks like it destroyed the competition...I guess delaying a film a year was a genius move ?

http://boxofficemojo.com/daily/chart/

[wisper]

http://www.superherohype.com/news/topnews.php?id=5228

Biggest Opening for a Flaming Skull Superhero ever.

"Ghost Rider is looking likely to set a new record for a President's Day weekend opener if it hold up well enough to make over $45.1 million over the four-day weekend"

Looks like it destroyed the competition...I guess delaying a film a year was a genius move ?

http://boxofficemojo.com/daily/chart/


:)

[Justice41]

You Called it Wisp. hehehehehe BLayyy I say to the naysayers. The MOB WANTS WHAT DA MOB WANTS. People just want silly entertainment to take a little time from the real world without getting drunk or eating h wait they eat too much at the theater, Ha!

[wisper]

You Called it Wisp. hehehehehe BLayyy I say to the naysayers. The MOB WANTS WHAT DA MOB WANTS. People just want silly entertainment to take a little time from the real world without getting drunk or eating h wait they eat too much at the theater, Ha!

it was no big call...it's an American movie...Harley Davidson's, skulls, flames, main stream religious idealigoy, sexy girl, dad w/cancer/ morals/ telling the devil where to get off. started on a SNOW ,out of school so let's go to the movies day. predicble confort..escape from...r e a l i t y... Hollywood style flick!

[Paul Sanderson]

http://www.superherohype.com/news/topnews.php?id=5228

Biggest Opening for a Flaming Skull Superhero ever.

"Ghost Rider is looking likely to set a new record for a President's Day weekend opener if it hold up well enough to make over $45.1 million over the four-day weekend"

Looks like it destroyed the competition...I guess delaying a film a year was a genius move ?

http://boxofficemojo.com/daily/chart/

It's got no competition, no wonder it's going to have a good weekend. Doesn't make it a good film though.

[Justice41]

Sure it does That Terabithea children's flick started friday as well. Good or bad, to you, people seem to be enjoying themselves. Isn't that what movies are for? Look at Hulk Like SR not many loved it but I liked it enough to see it twice and buy the DVD. To each his/her own.

[cbgiles]

GR does has big competition. That bridge to terabithia had our theater swamped. But GR was almost sold out here at 2 in the afternoon.
I liked the movie quite a bit. I'm not too familiar with GR but I enjoyed the strory. The three little bad guys weren't worth the trouble but much more action could have been added.

Face it everybody, nothing is going to equal what we can all imagine and no comic book movie is perfect(except for maybe Sin City). I'm just glad they're doing comic book movies at all.

[Justice41]

GR does has big competition. That bridge to terabithia had our theater swamped. But GR was almost sold out here at 2 in the afternoon.
I liked the movie quite a bit. I'm not too familiar with GR but I enjoyed the strory. The three little bad guys weren't worth the trouble but much more action could have been added.

Face it everybody, nothing is going to equal what we can all imagine and no comic book movie is perfect(except for maybe Sin City). I'm just glad they're doing comic book movies at all.
Some didn't need to be made. SR But I agree in general. BRING ON CAPTAIN AMERICA!!

[cbgiles]

As numb as Hollywood is we could be putting up with remakes of Gone With the Wind or yet another Black Beauty movie.

Bring on SHAZAM!

[Biofungus]

Umm, guys... thread topic = Ghost Rider.
Ghost Rider's been in at least 200 fights, right?

[Toyandgadgetguy]

Ghost Rider's been in at least 200 fights, right?

Gotta ask someone who's been counting. :laugh:

[eDuke]

I liked the movie quite a bit. I'm not too familiar with GR but I enjoyed the strory.
I think this is one of those comic flicks that'll be enjoyed by non-comic geeks. That's a good thing regardless of what comic geeks say.

[Justice41]

I'm a geek and I'll probably enjoy it. IT"S A FLAMING SKELETON RIDING A FLAMING MOTORCYCLE!! What more can you ask,,... but wait there's more we get The old Ghost Rider, we get some Onion Booty and some Adam Hughes level Cleavage. If the Character looks right to me the movie is halfway to the finish line.

[Toyandgadgetguy]

I dunno how I'll like it... and I consider myself pretty open when it comes to movies... but I will say that it's come a loooooong way since the initial clips that were aired for this movie.

[Paul Sanderson]

I would dislike it whether I was in comics or not. It's poorly directed, badly acted and has zero story. That's what I concern myself with, not whether it looks cool or has a flaming skull or how much money it makes or whatever. I'm more concerned about whether it's a well made film or not...and it isn't.

[Imboden]

free passes...free passes. I didnt get no stiken free passes. I payed for my tickets and both Mary and I liked the movie. neither one of us has ever even seen the comic..I was studying the cg and the flames work good in that medium as they are constantly moving...the religious music was kinda creapie..and as fars a cheesie...well the NAME ...the original NAME

JOHNNY BlAZE? I think that was the name..so it's a money maker to me.

Jon, you should've made the trek up north! We have a really good relationship with a theater up here and we get passes and stuff all the time. The good ones, the ones that don't have restrictions. :)

And yes, I agree, the flames and the overall look of Ghost Rider was kick ass. I LOVED that aspect of the movie. The rest, not so much.

[Mwynn]

I guess this is Marvel's first venture with the new toy company... Not exacty off to a good start.
This is Hasbro they just use the molds for the gi Joes. They no longer use the O ring.

[Imboden]

So....Ghost rider. The commercials threw me. From what I remember of GR volume 2 and 3 , Johnny Blaze and the other guy were tormented by this demon that would take them over to seek vengence. The commercials showed Nick embracing it.

Should I say SPOILERS just in case? SPOILERS!!!!


Well, I don't recall the commercials (other than just seeing them). But when Johnny would change, it obviously hurts. Until a certain point and then as Ghost Rider takes over he starts laughing like a mad man. When he finally learns to control the change he accepts it, figuring it's gonna be him or someone else as Ghost Rider, so it may as well be him because he's confident that he has the mental toughness to keep it in check.

So, they've changed it a little, but it works.

[Biofungus]

This is Hasbro they just use the molds for the gi Joes. They no longer use the O ring.
still, those leg and hip joints h-o-r-r-i-b-l-e.

[Imboden]

I'm a geek and I'll probably enjoy it. IT"S A FLAMING SKELETON RIDING A FLAMING MOTORCYCLE!! What more can you ask,,... but wait there's more we get The old Ghost Rider, we get some Onion Booty and some Adam Hughes level Cleavage. If the Character looks right to me the movie is halfway to the finish line.

Yes, this is exactly what the movie is.

And to that degree, I enjoyed it. I would have been a bit miffed had I paid for it because there WERE problems (and no comic-geek problems, a severe lack of action for an action movie is the main gripe).

The theater I saw it in was packed, people laughed and a few people clapped at one point. The masses liked it, so that's all that matters I guess.

[cbgiles]

I would dislike it whether I was in comics or not. It's poorly directed, badly acted and has zero story. That's what I concern myself with, not whether it looks cool or has a flaming skull or how much money it makes or whatever. I'm more concerned about whether it's a well made film or not...and it isn't.
What is a well made film and also what is a well made comic book movie?

[MatthewMonster]

Arent they the same thing ?

[cbgiles]

Arent they the same thing ?
dang straight, buddy :)

[Buckyrig]

The Tim Burton Batman is a well made movie that isn't a well made comic book movie. (Or at least not a well made Batman story.)

[Calloway]

ones commercially appealing, the other isn't? Well made hollywood film and a well made comic film are the same thing.

[Mwynn]

What could have been.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v73/bc1970/worse.jpg

[Biofungus]

The masses liked it, so that's all that matters I guess.

Bah, what do the masses know?

[The_Terror]

Bah, what do the masses know?
How to do communion? :huh:

[Justice41]

I would dislike it whether I was in comics or not. It's poorly directed, badly acted and has zero story. That's what I concern myself with, not whether it looks cool or has a flaming skull or how much money it makes or whatever. I'm more concerned about whether it's a well made film or not...and it isn't.
Yet You still went to see it adding to it's successful boxoffice. Sumtingwrongere.

[Biofungus]

Maybe he paid to see it and THEN determined what was wrong with it. You know, actually seeing it before he judged it. Iseenutingwrongere.

[Justice41]

Yes, this is exactly what the movie is.

And to that degree, I enjoyed it. I would have been a bit miffed had I paid for it because there WERE problems (and no comic-geek problems, a severe lack of action for an action movie is the main gripe).

The theater I saw it in was packed, people laughed and a few people clapped at one point. The masses liked it, so that's all that matters I guess.
You are one of the masses, you went opening weekend. Hahahahaha!! suckers :p
And who told you it was going to be an action movie? Seems like High Adventure to me.

[Toyandgadgetguy]

Wait... I remember reading, somewhere, that overseas money doesn't count.

[Justice41]

Maybe he paid to see it and THEN determined what was wrong with it. You know, actually seeing it before he judged it. Iseenutingwrongere.
You must not have been paying attention then because he declared tis flick a piece of crap from jump. Just go back through his posts. And he has the nerve to call me on trashing SR. Hypocrite

[Justice41]

Wait... I remember reading, somewhere, that overseas money doesn't count.
Maybe but this is Sony Not exactly an American company wat.

[Justice41]

What is a well made film and also what is a well made comic book movie?
Whatever I think it is?

[Biofungus]

You must not have been paying attention then because he declared tis flick a piece of crap from jump. Just go back through his posts. And he has the nerve to call me on trashing SR. Hypocrite
Okay, then I call shenanigans on both of you. :nyah:

[Justice41]

Okay, then I call shenanigans on both of you. :nyah:
I'm cool wit dat.

[Moonrider]

Just watched the movie last night. Overall an enjoyable movie and quite funny too despite of its flaws. But did you guys also noticed how it closely resemble Elektra, that Mark Stephen Johnson also wrote, nearing the end of this flick? Great looking heroes, lame villains.

[Jason Powell]

Just watched the movie last night. Overall an enjoyable movie and quite funny too despite of its flaws. But did you guys also noticed how it closely resemble Elektra, that Mark Stephen Johnson also wrote, nearing the end of this flick? Great looking heroes, lame villains.

Yeah, they did a good job. The villains died too quick and easily, but overall a good flick. I couldn't understand the last scene with Caretaker. I mean, all I could think was, what was the purpose of him turning into the old GHOST RIDER other than the cool SFX? I mean it was like, I used to be a Ghost Rider, look at my cool form, let's ride, now I die. But Cage did a good job as Johnny Blaze. A bit corny but still good. The younger version sounded nothing like the older version though. Cage has a natural hick accent and the kid had nothing like it. I give it an 8 out of 10.

-SIN-
Jason

[Imboden]

You are one of the masses, you went opening weekend. Hahahahaha!! suckers :p
And who told you it was going to be an action movie? Seems like High Adventure to me.

I didn't pay to see to it and wouldn't have gone at all if I hadn't had the passes. I would have been much more happy sitting home watching some TiVoed episodes of The Unit.

[Toyandgadgetguy]

Maybe but this is Sony Not exactly an American company wat.

It is an American film, though...

(not that it makes any difference at all... because I just make fun of the formula... and how people bend numbers with their own rules to declare something a success...)

If it brings in more money than it took to make and market... then it's a success to me.

[Imboden]

I couldn't understand the last scene with Caretaker. I mean, all I could think was, what was the purpose of him turning into the old GHOST RIDER other than the cool SFX? I mean it was like, I used to be a Ghost Rider, look at my cool form, let's ride, now I die.

The old guy saw his opportunity for one last ride, so he took it. Nothing more, nothing less. He could''ve stayed at the cemetery, I guess, and then just used up that last bit of 'Ghost Riderness' on some random night. But Johnny was heading off into a do or die battle that could tip the scale of good and evil towards evil's side, so the old guy was like "No better time than now".

The same scenario's been played out in a lot of old westerns, but the grizzled old gunfighter doesn't ride off and disappear being the big difference (and, well, it's usually Apaches or bad guys in black hats instead of Devilspawn...)

[Toyandgadgetguy]

A little / spoiler use woulda been nice.

[Paul Sanderson]

Yet You still went to see it adding to it's successful boxoffice. Sumtingwrongere.

I actually go see the films I comment on, unlike you, Roy, who claims he saw SR 4 times but insisted months ago he would never see it (and I doubt you have). You seeing it is about as real as your mythical 200 fights and scarred knuckles. What I previously commented on was the impression I got from the trailers. I actually went to see it to see if that impression was an accurate one. Whether the film fails or succeeds, monetarilly, means nothing to me, nor is it something I take into account when I choose to see a film or not. I could care less one way or the other if the film succeeds or not.

What do I consider a well made film? If it's well directed, if the film flows well, if it's well paced, if the writing is good, makes sense, brings the characters to life, if the dialogue is good and snappy, if the acting makes you feel for the characters, makes you feel they're real even in settings that cannot possibly be real. GR has none of those IMO. That's what makes it a bad film. It's all well and good that the visuals are good and yadda yadda yadda. To me, it's like what John Landis said recently. He commented that B-films in the past were really good if you took the fx out (which were often cheesy back then). Today, the films have superb fx but the films are shit. Yes, that fits GR to a tee.

[SethNI]

I'll see it regardless of what I hear. If it's good enough for a badass like Justice, it's good enough for me!!

I want to see comic book movies to see the comic book characters I love living and breathing on the silver screen. I don't want to think, I don't want to concentrate, I want to see cool characters do cool things. Thats what I want from comic book movies, and that is what I usually get. Therefore, it's a win - win situation for me, everytime!
Honestly, is it really worth your time being disappointed with a comic book movie?

[Moonrider]

Honestly, is it really worth your time being disappointed with a comic book movie?

Not really, it's just that we don't have anything better to do anyway. :p

[cbgiles]

What do I consider a well made film? If it's well directed, if the film flows well, if it's well paced, if the writing is good, makes sense, brings the characters to life, if the dialogue is good and snappy, if the acting makes you feel for the characters, makes you feel they're real even in settings that cannot possibly be real. GR has none of those IMO. That's what makes it a bad film. It's all well and good that the visuals are good and yadda yadda yadda. To me, it's like what John Landis said recently. He commented that B-films in the past were really good if you took the fx out (which were often cheesy back then). Today, the films have superb fx but the films are shit. Yes, that fits GR to a tee.
So what film do YOU think is a good film or the best ONE out there non-comic and ONE that is comic book related?

[paranoidandroid]

My wife and i along with our 18 year old son went to see it last nite.
After Punisher,hulk,elektra and daredevil to some extent,this one was better than i had hoped.The commercials for it loked like it was a goofy kiddie movie but it was grittier than i thought it would be.GR looked cool.Storyline was what I thought it would be...kinda lame....slow and not much more than the average comic book you read.Anyone thinking anything else...guys.....this is a comic book turned to the big screen.I don't think any of them will be nominated for an award next year for best picture...lol And this was GR.....not the best known of the Marvel figures to grace the big screen.
And the theatre was packed..I was surprise.I kinda feel like this one will warrant another one in about 3 years.
It is kinda funny reading movie crits on here,everyone is hoping for a "Holy Grail" type superhero comic book movie and in doing so,miss the fun that is entertainment.Buy a ticket,sit back and enjoy....and for gods sake,leave the crying babies at home and turn off the the damn cell phones :slap:

[Justice41]

I didn't pay to see to it and wouldn't have gone at all if I hadn't had the passes. I would have been much more happy sitting home watching some TiVoed episodes of The Unit.
I'll Grant you that as the Unit is a great show. Gotta Love Mammet(sp)

[Justice41]

I actually go see the films I comment on, unlike you, Roy, who claims he saw SR 4 times but insisted months ago he would never see it (and I doubt you have). You seeing it is about as real as your mythical 200 fights and scarred knuckles. What I previously commented on was the impression I got from the trailers. I actually went to see it to see if that impression was an accurate one. Whether the film fails or succeeds, monetarilly, means nothing to me, nor is it something I take into account when I choose to see a film or not. I could care less one way or the other if the film succeeds or not.

What do I consider a well made film? If it's well directed, if the film flows well, if it's well paced, if the writing is good, makes sense, brings the characters to life, if the dialogue is good and snappy, if the acting makes you feel for the characters, makes you feel they're real even in settings that cannot possibly be real. GR has none of those IMO. That's what makes it a bad film. It's all well and good that the visuals are good and yadda yadda yadda. To me, it's like what John Landis said recently. He commented that B-films in the past were really good if you took the fx out (which were often cheesy back then). Today, the films have superb fx but the films are shit. Yes, that fits GR to a tee.
Dude you gotta watch who you call a fucking Liar. You are a fucking hypocrite plain and simple you four eyed fuck.

[eDuke]

Ghost Rider!
Ghost Rider!
Ghost Rider!
Ghost Rider!
Ghost Rider!

F'ing GHOST RIDER!!!!

Stop with the Superman Returns crap! That movie ISN'T Ghost Rider!

[Justice41]

I'll have to give my report another day as the wife is sick and now the baby is catching a cold. Damn this cold front. Dam it. Man it's cold down here. It dropped to 50 and is 60 now. Brrrrrrr.

[Toyandgadgetguy]

Ghost Rider!
Ghost Rider!
Ghost Rider!
Ghost Rider!
Ghost Rider!

F'ing GHOST RIDER!!!!

Stop with the Superman Returns crap! That movie ISN'T Ghost Rider!

So... um... what're you trying to say, Ed?












So how come they didn't do an American Chopper bike for the opening of Ghost Rider?

[Justice41]

Woulda been an insult to the custom shop that did the GR chopper I'd think.

[Toyandgadgetguy]

Definitely. ;)

[Jason Powell]

The old guy saw his opportunity for one last ride, so he took it. Nothing more, nothing less. He could''ve stayed at the cemetery, I guess, and then just used up that last bit of 'Ghost Riderness' on some random night. But Johnny was heading off into a do or die battle that could tip the scale of good and evil towards evil's side, so the old guy was like "No better time than now".

The same scenario's been played out in a lot of old westerns, but the grizzled old gunfighter doesn't ride off and disappear being the big difference (and, well, it's usually Apaches or bad guys in black hats instead of Devilspawn...)

Maybe, but why not use that last bit of Ghost Riderness (good wording by the way) to help him fight Blackheart? It would of made more since I think.

-SIN-
Jason

[Jason Powell]

A little / spoiler use woulda been nice.

Who me? If so, there isn't a spoiler there. If you do not know that Caretaker is the old Ghostrider by now then you haven't scene the toys.

-SIN-
Jason

[Imboden]

Maybe, but why not use that last bit of Ghost Riderness (good wording by the way) to help him fight Blackheart? It would of made more since I think.

-SIN-
Jason

Why? You said it; it would have made sense.

[Jason Powell]

Why? You said it; it would have made sense.

LOL! Yeah, I guess you are right.

-SIN-
Jason

[MatthewMonster]

http://boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=ghostrider.htm

44 Mil Opening Weekend.... I'm impressed ! Im actually looking forwad to the movie...I like the cheesier Marvel movies like DD and FF This seems in line with those, and not terrible like Man thing and Elektra.

Man people really shit on this movie, and the HUEG delay in relasing it...but once again it totally dosnet matter.

[Nitecrawlah2]

I'm off to see it later today. It's GOT to be better than Nic Cage in a bear suit beating down women and children :laugh: . I'm a big GR fan (tattoo pending), so I'm looking forward to, at the very least, enjoy seeing him on the big screen. I'm not looking to walk out of the theater discussing Oscar nominations for next year or anything.

[Jason Powell]

You know, with Ghostrider making so much (so far - surely to be the highest grossing movie, so far, this year if opening weekend is any indicator), despite all the delays and such, part 2 is bound to get a bigger and better budget.

-SIN-
Jason

[wisper]

Ghost Rider!
Ghost Rider!
Ghost Rider!
Ghost Rider!
Ghost Rider!

F'ing GHOST RIDER!!!!

Stop with the Superman Returns crap! That movie ISN'T Ghost Rider!

hey that's pertty lettering there ....dude..doing any Marvel work? :whistlin:

[Mr.Musgrave]

Y'know what? Fuck it. It isn't worth it. It's better to just avoid this section of the board.

[Paul Sanderson]

Depends how well the film does in the rest of the week and beyond. An opening weekend doesn't mean anything if the rest of the period doesn't equally measure up.

Roy, look in the mirror, there's your hypocrite right there.

[Toyandgadgetguy]

Who me? If so, there isn't a spoiler there. If you do not know that Caretaker is the old Ghostrider by now then you haven't scene the toys.

-SIN-
Jason

Not just you, but you too. You're right. I hadn't seen the toys. So much for my surprise visit to Target, too. I actually didn't know that the Caretaker was the old Ghostrider. I do now, though. Yep. I'd call that a spoiler.

[Justice41]

Y'know what? Fuck it. It isn't worth it. It's better to just avoid this section of the board.
There's always AICN. that place is like a stadium of a football game. You ca vent the spleen without holding back.

[4-9-studios]

Wow did this movie SUCK :yuk: !!! SUCK SUCK SUCK :yuk: :yuk: :yuk: !!!! This is far the worst Comic to Movie I ever witnessed! I was not a fan of F4 or DareDevil, and I think those movies rule over this one :confused: . Im a Nic Cage fan, as well as an Eva Mendes fan, and boy were they horrible. What the hell was up with those crapy "cowboy" lines they gave him :confused: . I feel bad for Eva who put on weight for the role, not that she didnt look bad. They movie went no where, the villians were a piece of crap! It was like watching a bad Video game, where he needed to defeat the boss to move up to the next, and they're deaths were pointless. Oh yeah, whats with HIS voice changing when he is Ghost Rider, but the old man turns and his voice is exactly the same! What, they think we wouldnt be able to figure who's who :confused: ? If it werent for the language, this be a kids movie. My 10 year old daughter went with me and she enjoyed it. If there is one thing I could say positive about it, were a few of the scenes. MAYBE one or two. So pretty much 45seconds of the movie was ok ;) . I've told all my friends to stay away from this movie! What a waste of a Good Character. :man:


So you know my background, these are some Comic 2 Movies I do enjoy...

All XMen Movies
Hulk
All Superman Movies
Batman 1,2(tim burton)
Batman Returns
Im actually looking foward to F4 2
Sin City

[Justice41]

Depends how well the film does in the rest of the week and beyond. An opening weekend doesn't mean anything if the rest of the period doesn't equally measure up.

Roy, look in the mirror, there's your hypocrite right there.
Dude the movie will have made it's Production budget back this weekend. What do you mean it means nothing? Now it just needs to make back marketing and advertising and it will be solid.
Check out the gory details here.
http://www.the-numbers.com/movies/2007/GHSTR.php

[Justice41]

Wow did this movie SUCK :yuk: !!! SUCK SUCK SUCK :yuk: :yuk: :yuk: !!!! This is far the worst Comic to Movie I ever witnessed! I was not a fan of F4 or DareDevil, and I think those movies rule over this one :confused: . Im a Nic Cage fan, as well as an Eva Mendes fan, and boy were they horrible. What the hell was up with those crapy "cowboy" lines they gave him :confused: . I feel bad for Eva who put on weight for the role, not that she didnt look bad. They movie went no where, the villians were a piece of crap! It was like watching a bad Video game, where he needed to defeat the boss to move up to the next, and they're deaths were pointless. Oh yeah, whats with HIS voice changing when he is Ghost Rider, but the old man turns and his voice is exactly the same! What, they think we wouldnt be able to figure who's who :confused: ? If it werent for the language, this be a kids movie. My 10 year old daughter went with me and she enjoyed it. If there is one thing I could say positive about it, were a few of the scenes. MAYBE one or two. So pretty much 45seconds of the movie was ok ;) . I've told all my friends to stay away from this movie! What a waste of a Good Character. :man:


So you know my background, these are some Comic 2 Movies I do enjoy...

All XMen Movies
Hulk
All Superman Movies
Batman 1,2(tim burton)
Batman Returns
Im actually looking foward to F4 2
Sin City
See to some here including X3 as a movie you enjoyed kinda invalidates your entire spiel..

[4-9-studios]

See to some here including X3 as a movie you enjoyed kinda invalidates your entire spiel..

Oh nice for you to point that out. And that fact that you did, validates you must be the dick of the discussion group. Please to meet ya.

[Justice41]

Oh nice for you to point that out. And that fact that you did, validates you must be the cock of the discussion group. Please to meet ya.
Well I am but I'm not talking about me. I liked X3 more than the first two but some here hated it. So by including that in with the others , well it won't be good.

[Deadfish07]

Dude the move will have made it's Production budget back this weekend. What do you mean it means nothing? Now it just needs to make back marketing and advertising and it will be solid.
Check out the gory details here.
http://www.the-numbers.com/movies/2007/GHSTR.php

Box Office Mojo lists it's budget at twice that amount. I'm willing to believe the higher amount, since they pushed it back so they could tweak the effects more.

I think it'll bow out around the $80 to 100 million mark. The box office competition is going to getting better the upcoming weeks (it's been awful so far). GR will get knocked down to #2 next week with the Number 23 coming out. I'm predicting $46 million opening for that movie, because half of 46 is 23. :w00t:

[4-9-studios]

Well I am but I'm not talking about me. I liked X3 more than the first two but some here hated it. So by including that in with the others , well it won't be good.


However you still needed to point it out and speak for others. Again! Please to meet you. Back to Ghost Rider...

[Justice41]

Box Office Mojo lists it's budget at twice that amount. I'm willing to believe the higher amount, since they pushed it back so they could tweak the effects more.

I think it'll bow out around the $80 to 100 million mark. The box office competition is going to getting better the upcoming weeks (it's been awful so far). GR will get knocked down to #2 next week with the Number 23 coming out. I'm predicting $46 million opening for that movie, because half of 46 is 23. :w00t:
That's why I included the marketing and advertising budget as separate money that needs to be made yet. Boxoficemojo combines the entire budget as one. The Numbers separates them. Check The Numbers in a few months and you'll see the real numbers on Marketing and advertising. Which from the flood of ads and commercials must have been in the 50+ million range. This would be the 120 Million BOM is using.

[Jason Powell]

Not just you, but you too. You're right. I hadn't seen the toys. So much for my surprise visit to Target, too. I actually didn't know that the Caretaker was the old Ghostrider. I do now, though. Yep. I'd call that a spoiler.

I know what you are saying, it is a spoiler to you, but I don't believe you can actually call it a spoiler since the studio broke the news when they released the toys several months ago.

-SIN-
Jason

[Jason Powell]

That's why I included the marketing and advertising budget as separate money that needs to be made yet. Boxoficemojo combines the entire budget as one. The Numbers separates them. Check The Numbers in a few months and you'll see the real numbers on Marketing and advertising. Which from the flood of ads and commercials must have been in the 50+ million range. This would be the 120 Million BOM is using.

If SR made it's money back (and I am still wondering how it did it) then GHOSTRIDER should make double it's money back.

-SIN-
Jason

[Justice41]

Yup never knew that either. thanks guys

[Justice41]

If SR made it's money back (and I am still wondering how it did it) then GHOSTRIDER should make double it's money back.

-SIN-
Jason
Well I hate to rehash the way studios and Theaters breaks down the BO take but suffice it to say that SR would have had to make almost 300 million because of the way they split the take. It's percentages, They explain it on that Numbers website. So GR needs 240 mil.

[Calloway]

yeah, sr woulda needed 600 mil to make a real profit. The fact remains though, it did make over 200 mil.

[Justice41]

yeah, sr woulda needed 600 mil to make a real profit. The fact remains though, it did make over 200 mil.
But it cost 204 million.
http://www.the-numbers.com/movies/2006/SPRMN.php

[Calloway]

I know, but people spent over 200 million to watch it. Coulda been done cheaper and made the same amount..why it cost that much is beyond me.

[Justice41]

It really didn't. The actual production budget is in the 150-160 range. Then you tag on 40-60 million in marketing and advertising and voila' 204 million. I remember when Tom hanks bought and produce My big Fat greek Wedding http://www.the-numbers.com/movies/2002/MBFGW.php and put the movie out. It cost him about 7 million to make the movie. After a few months of the flick slowly becoming a sleeper he then pumped 19 million into marketing Advertising and look what happened. Those Marketing firms cost a lot.
Look at X3's budget. http://www.the-numbers.com/movies/2006/XMEN3.php
Or the first Spiderman Flick. Take note of the advertising budget. http://www.the-numbers.com/movies/2002/SPIDR.php

[Calloway]

Why would he put money into marketing. That's the studios thing I had thought, not the producer.

[wisper]

http://www.cnn.com/2007/SHOWBIZ/Movies/02/18/boxoffice.ap/index.html

[Imboden]

Here's something that gets me; people validating their wanting/going to see this by saying "I'm not expecting an Oscar-worthy movie".

Well, no shit, man. Neither was I. Hell, it's RARE when I even see an Oscar nominated or winning movie - I'm more of an action/horror kinda guy (and please, don't list an action movie or a horror movie that's won). So, no, I don't expect an Oscar movie when I see something like 'Ghost Rider'.

That doesn't take anything away from my review a few pages back. THAT review is based on the understanding that this was an action movie like most other superhero-to-film movies.

[Justice41]

Why would he put money into marketing. That's the studios thing I had thought, not the producer.
He put money into it to get more eyes and butts in seats. I believe they also expanded theaters too. He saw it was doing well so he jumped in to help it grow. I believe it was his money, he was asked if it was his cash on Leno because most times it's a studios. I believe he bought this flicks rights for his wife.

[Justice41]

Here's something that gets me; people validating their wanting/going to see this by saying "I'm not expecting an Oscar-worthy movie".

Well, no shit, man. Neither was I. Hell, it's RARE when I even see an Oscar nominated or winning movie - I'm more of an action/horror kinda guy (and please, don't list an action movie or a horror movie that's won). So, no, I don't expect an Oscar movie when I see something like 'Ghost Rider'.

That doesn't take anything away from my review a few pages back. THAT review is based on the understanding that this was an action movie like most other superhero-to-film movies.
You'll get nothing like that from Me, I just want to see a Character I've always liked brought to ... uh life in a movie.

[The_Terror]

I saw it yesterday, it was silly but I liked it OK. There were alot of goofy parts.

I give it a 5 out of 10.