Heartt attack !!!!

[PAIGE]

Heartt from C.H.E.S.S. taking on some gaurds her way.....
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v689/fallonave/pin-up%20book/Heartt_Attack_1_small.jpg

[dano]

Nice rendering and I'm glad to see someone using a bit of reference to get 'it' right, but in this case it's a bit TOO heavy on the ref. Using the pics so strictly make it look like a montage of photos just grouped together. This should be an EXCITING piece, not a travel brochure.
Add your own voice to it. turn heads, make people scream, more chaos!!

[xaltair]

Looks very cool to me...very realistic too. :har:

[harry4]

to much reference? :yawn: everybody on this website is really annoying in how picking out reli small things have to be commented on and stuff, its like everyone wants to be important and it's really annoyin when people do that :whistlin: . I'm not saying owt dano but to be bothered about not enough refeence and then to much is just daft. Nobody seems to enjoy anything on this site, everyone jus says stuff like 'hmm if that finger nail was larger it would be much better' ARGHHHHH!!!!!!!
:kewl:

[xaltair]

to much reference? :yawn: everybody on this website is really annoying in how picking out reli small things have to be commented on and stuff, its like everyone wants to be important and it's really annoyin when people do that :whistlin: . I'm not saying owt dano but to be bothered about not enough refeence and then to much is just daft. Nobody seems to enjoy anything on this site, everyone jus says stuff like 'hmm if that finger nail was larger it would be much better' ARGHHHHH!!!!!!!
:kewl:


I'm enjoying, i'm enjoying...see. :carrot:

[The DarkMind]

to much reference? :yawn: everybody on this website is really annoying in how picking out reli small things have to be commented on and stuff, its like everyone wants to be important and it's really annoyin when people do that :whistlin: . I'm not saying owt dano but to be bothered about not enough refeence and then to much is just daft. Nobody seems to enjoy anything on this site, everyone jus says stuff like 'hmm if that finger nail was larger it would be much better' ARGHHHHH!!!!!!!
:kewl:

harry, i've been here a very short amount of time but have read through a great deal of postings, especially when it comes to the art threads and you totally nailed it. the majority of people are overly critical on superb art, then turn around with art that would in my opinion be totally lame and praise it. and it's never the same sequence..

[dano]

People get critiqued according to their skill level. If you're a good artist, there's less excuse for error so they get criticized harder. If you're still learning it's pointless to go into nitty gritty small stuff because it's stuff they'll work out eventually. They need to fix the big stuff and be encouraged to keep practicing.

If you don't like honest crits feel free to move along to a site where people lie to you.

[harry4]

THANK YOU. im only 15 lolz :whistlin: but it's real annoyin how everyone is such a crit and yes alot of the not so good art is heavily praised where the brilliant art is critisised heavily for little things or nothing at all.

again :kewl:

[RAMolinelli]

Lets stick to the Art guys. Thanks :laugh:

All in all I like what I see here, a nice bg would really punch this beyond what a great drawing it is! :har:

::edit:: found the words I was looking for. :)

[harry4]

:rolleyes: anyone else agree?

[harry4]

sorry dano boy but that's daft what you said. :yuk: I have read alot of posts and alot of them seem daft because there int no point. They little daft things people pick out which most people dont notice until they actually read someones post. Telling the truth is fine but being so much into picking everything out is daft, annoying and pointless. :confused: Unless it is a mistake which most people see straight away then fair enough, but alot of them are little things which you don't actually notice.
It just makes you feel important. :man: :sure:

[dano]

Someone noticed if they're pointing it out.
Also, its a public message board. Theres no rules that people can't leave daft comments. It's not as if we all get together and conference before posting. If you don't like someone's comment, ignore it.

[hellblazer72]

i like it...the tones are cool

[Namrog]

"but it's real annoyin how everyone is such a crit and yes alot of the not so good art is heavily praised where the brilliant art is critisised heavily for little things or nothing at all."

the original crit might have been a bit abrasive, but it was dead on.
The crit said it used too much reference, and after closely looking at the image, most if not all the soldiers in the drawing are referenced. As a result, they appear to be doing their own thing instead of reacting to the chick with the sword.


Nobody's art is bulletproof, and this is a site meant for critiques after all, so don't get so upset.


Aside from that, I do like the drawing, especially like the "shaved helmet" detail.

[OZ!]

sorry dano boy but that's daft what you said. :yuk: I have read alot of posts and alot of them seem daft because there int no point. They little daft things people pick out which most people dont notice until they actually read someones post. Telling the truth is fine but being so much into picking everything out is daft, annoying and pointless. :confused: Unless it is a mistake which most people see straight away then fair enough, but alot of them are little things which you don't actually notice.
It just makes you feel important. :man: :sure:

Here's some attention for those of you who need the attention. :slap:

Dano doesn't say pointless stuff, if anything he is more than helpful. The artist did an excellent job twisting photos of a track athlete and four paint ballers but didn't really do much else. It does look like a photo montage rather than an action picture. It is very well rendered but lacks life and shows you the exact reference they were drawing from. Normally we call these life studies. You aren't creating anything, you are honing your skills in an attempt to learn curves and shades etc. In this case the artist took it a step further and put a creative twist on it but didn't actually add anything but a wardrobe change which is why we called for less photo reference. When somebody sucks ass and has no concept of figure, features, surrounding etc, most of the time they will be told to draw from reference and go back to basics. In this case the artist needs to free themselves from the shackles they have conciled themselves to by shoving creation to the side for straight photo reference. Don't get me wrong, reference is great and reproducing photos is no small task. Still, the artist was trying to create something and did a very good job. They then posted the art here for further exposure and help and that is what we are supposed to do. Help.

Paige. This looks extremely good. The rough, thick lines are a nice touch and everything seems to be well porportioned BUT... Ease up on the reference. You seem to have the curves and the know how so try using the reference less. Try this pic over again(if you want to of course) and do a gesture of the photos juxtaposed the way you want them. Then lay out your roughs giving them a smoother movement, more appropriate angles and actions/reactions. After you have done that, then hop back to the photos and take what you want from them. You might really like the results. Nice work, keep posting. :kewl:

[The DarkMind]

Just curious on this since i didn't see it listed, just speculated by the various comments and it would certainly put the debate to rest...

Paige, did you use straight photo reference and assemble it as a collage? Regardless of if you did or not it's still excellent work. I remember a guy i had an art class with that could work this level of detail while staring at a blank wall and for the longest time people swore he just copied things out of mags until they sat down and watched him work.

Anyway, keep it up and my only suggestion (take it for what its worth) would be to vary the line weight a little more. the heavy lines seem confined to folds in clothing which is good, but the guys and objects closest to the viewer should be bolded out a little more then the guy in the back getting his visor smashed. nothing dramatic, just enough to make them stand out a little more.

[blaqstar]

nice! :banana:

[chaosgoat]

Well hun, I really like your style, and you've nailed this piece technically. The composition, forshortening and light are all great, but I do agree that it needs more energy. This has the potential to be an incredible piece, and it wouldn't take much to take it up to a higher energy level.

Good Luck and Keep Drawing!!!

[j giar]

Harry4 you're in for a shocker if you go to art school.
As for Danos crit...if you're new on this board..this guys is one of many who only want to help you improve. The advice, if you're willing to listen is what I paid thousands of dollars for, to get at art school. If you're not looking for a critigue then don't post your work or...put up that you just want everyone to tell you how great you are and how close you are to stardom. Better yet don't post it...just show your work to relatives. They'll tell you what you want to hear! Mine do all the time and then hit me up for freebies.

Oh, sorry..got on a rant. Nice technical piece Paige...but I agree..it's missing energy or your own voice.

[The DarkMind]

Harry4 you're in for a shocker if you go to art school.
As for Danos crit...if you're new on this board..this guys is one of many who only want to help you improve. The advice, if you're willing to listen is what I paid thousands of dollars for, to get at art school. If you're not looking for a critigue then don't post your work or...put up that you just want everyone to tell you how great you are and how close you are to stardom. Better yet don't post it...just show your work to relatives. They'll tell you what you want to hear! Mine do all the time and then hit me up for freebies.

Oh, sorry..got on a rant. Nice technical piece Paige...but I agree..it's missing energy or your own voice.

I really don't think Dano's crit was being attacked or ridiculed, it just happen to be a way for harry to make a point which i tend to agree with. Yes honest crits from other artists are being looked for when things get posted and you have to take the good with the bad (though all too often the good dont say why its good, just that it is) and just roll with the punches. the only real problem is when one person says something should be done one way, and another person says it should be done the other, and both people are reputable for their opinion (which was sort of what i was trying to say in the first post i made on this thread when i agreed with harry)

Dano is a great artist that has a lot to offer in the area of advice, but this particular time, while he didn't contradict himself, the way he put his words comes off that way on the first read thru. That's all :)

side note: am i the only one thats noticed the rants are geared towards others and dont involve the artist at all since she hasn't said anything?

[j giar]

side note: am i the only one thats noticed the rants are geared towards others and dont involve the artist at all since she hasn't said anything?
:huh:
I'm not going to turn this into a pissin' match, Darkmind. I agree with you on the line weight. Varying it would help punch the foreground up and drop the background figures where they belong. If you haven't noticed..the rant was geared towards the one who attacked the other artists giving their helpful suggestions. The artist of the piece is probably sitting back thinking, what the hell's wrong with these people? This isn't the first time I've seen this brought up on this board...and sadly it won't be the last. I went back through just to make sure I read all the posts in the voice they were intended...
....As I said, if you don't want the crits or the help...don't post art. That is not gear or aimed at the artist of this piece. It's to those that deserve it.
This artist in particular, Paige, is talented and should be training themselves to use photos for reference only. He or she have the talent and obviously the ability to put their own look...their own energy into it. O.K...I've said my peace! I feel better.

[The DarkMind]

:huh:
I'm not going to turn this into a pissin' match, Darkmind...

I'm glad because believe me bro it wasn't intended to start one :)

a huge problem with the written word in forums such as this is that for all the smilies and acronyms it just doesn't convey the tone of the comment so more times then not things get taken the wrong way and i didn't mean for it to seem like i was singeling you're rant out from the others. i was just amused as it dawned on me. :laugh:



The artist of the piece is probably sitting back thinking, what the hell's wrong with these people? This isn't the first time I've seen this brought up on this board...and sadly it won't be the last.

LOL i know you're being dead serious but dude you are 100% right :thumbs:

[Divad]

Personally, I think the piece is solid. it moves. It involves the viewer. 1 question. What paper are you using? It looks like watercolorpaper.