jeez...how good is TRAVIS CHAREST?!?!

[Rob Norton]

im sure a lot you have probably seen these...but these are some sketches that i think just kick ass. i love this guys stuff. man i wish he drew comics more. anyhoo...im just putting these up to share with people cause i would love to see someone put up art from a guy i like...sometimes its hard to find.

i love that wonder woman. i think thats a better outfit that the classic one.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v481/robnor/WonderWoman3.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v481/robnor/Kryptonians.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v481/robnor/Stockings.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v481/robnor/WeaponX.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v481/robnor/PrincessLeia.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v481/robnor/BobaFett.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v481/robnor/charest_marvel.jpg

[Nitecrawlah2]

Damn Rob, you must have been reading my mind. I was thinking of Travis Charest while reading the various "swipe!" threads popping up around here. Travis Charest's earliest works were blatant Jim Lee mimics, which was the hot style at the time. However, it seems like the more work he did (especially with markers), the better and better he got. His Wildcats stuff STILL blows my mind. I wish this guy was doing more regular sequential work in comics, unfortunately he takes F O R E V E R on projects. This guy is damn good, and well worth the wait.

He use to maintain a web site a few years ago. After a while, however, the url either changed or he's got a new site altogether. Any additional information regarding that?

[Mr.Musgrave]

Honestly, these just don't do much for me. His work always seems so stiff and inorganic. It's not bad it's just boring.

[scherzo]

His stuff is Godly! :bounce: You'd be hard pressed to find more confident looking linework. Travis definitely stands with the comicbook elite.

-Mark

[Eliseu Gouveia]

My sole gripe with the WW pic.

WW is inspired in greek mythology.
Her clothing should not resonate echoes of western europe (the scandinavian "Thor wings" in the helmet.

She shoud look more like a hoplite than a viking!

think "Athena", not "Boudica".

Otherwise, great stuff.

[cybershaw]

The best Illustrator working in (or around) the comic biz today...by far. He is a true student of art, took years aways from his career to study under some of the greatest Euro comic artists of our time. You can barely tell his studio work from his con sketches, he can do anything, BW, pencils, inks, grays, color, paints and they are all top notch. I've seen his

He's an under rated storyteller, not the best be his stuff has alot of things going for it. He uses 0 referances when drawing a human figure! You can always tell his at when you look at it. He can draw any BG, angle and always has great compostion in the panel.

I think his stuff is as far from boring as you can get. I see Ross as his counter part and the more boring of the two.


Slow, maybe but quality takes time, you want speed go look at Land and Finch and read other threads and see how they can draw so fast.

[hannu]

He use to maintain a web site a few years ago. After a while, however, the url either changed or he's got a new site altogether. Any additional information regarding that?

This seems to be updated fairly regularly: http://groups.msn.com/travischarest

Oh yes, I like Travis, except the way he draws feet. And the WW seems to be lacking in the neck department.

And oh, if Wonder Woman is supposed to be an amazon, she´s not greek. Amazons were barbarians, i.e. not greeks. Scythian, maybe?

[Moonrider]

I can see where Leinil Yu got his biggest influence from.

[hellblazer72]

travis is great..everyone should check out the spacegirl strip on the msn site...i think he draws feet fine...atleast he draws feet :)

[Nitecrawlah2]

Thanks for the heads up on the website. It looks like he moved a lot of the old stuff to this MSN site. Some more of my favorites:

http://i114.photobucket.com/albums/n252/Nitecrawlah2/HeroesProgramLineart.jpg

http://i114.photobucket.com/albums/n252/Nitecrawlah2/vampcharest.jpg

[ponyrl]

Travis gots style, no doubt.

But make mine Alan Davis. ;)

[Biofungus]

Hey, if the box on Darth Vader's chest helps him breath, what does the box on Weapon X there do? :confused:


:p

[VOGLER/ART]

Travis is indeed one of the greatest comic book artists to come out of the 20th century. Wow, I haven't seen his newest stuff. :)

[Scott Story]

He is damn good, I'll give you that. Beautiful stuff. He's developed a strong, independant voice in his art, and he's no longer seemingly overly influenced by other artists, such as Lee.

I realize not everyone digs this stuff, and that's cool, because art is really subjective, as is personal taste. But, for me this material is just beautiful. I wish I could see the details and technique. If I get half this good, I would be thrilled.

[Toyandgadgetguy]

Can't get enough of his stuff... love it. It's got a certain atmosphere to it...

[Mr.Musgrave]

It's not that he's bad, his art just bores me to tears. It's lifeless. All the characters look stiff and posed and bored. They all have that blank expression. There's just no "oomph" to it. The Leia pic has speed lines but there's no feeling of speed to the figure. Plus she looks bored with being on a speeder. Wolverine is naked and covered in blood but he doesn't look mad. Supergirl has a good expression but Superman looks distracted by something uninteresting. Same with Wonder Woman. She doesn't look like she's at war, she looks like she just did a double take. It just bores me.

[Justice41]

For more stuff check this link and the site.
http://www.comicartfans.com/SearchResult.asp

[JamieRoberts]

I get what you mean, Steve. There's a certain void to be filled, certainly.

I can put up with it in some cases though, possibly due to his Wildcats work being the only stuff in recent memory that I look over again solely for the art. It appears I'm a fan.

I quite enjoyed watching him work on a cheap DVD that came out during the first Spider-Man movie buzz period. Great to see his method. (Better to see Bill Sienkewicz's though...)

[Cat]

This was one o fthe Highlights of Heroes Con this year

http://groups.msn.com/travischarest/heroescon.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=1390

[j giar]

This was one o fthe Highlights of Heroes Con this year

http://groups.msn.com/travischarest/heroescon.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=1390

Cat, do you repeat yourself when you're under stress? :laugh:

[Nitecrawlah2]

This was one o fthe Highlights of Heroes Con this year

http://groups.msn.com/travischarest/heroescon.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=1390
That red X was the talk of the town I tell ya!

[Cat]

Cat, do you repeat yourself when you're under stress? :laugh:
yes...I thought i edited my first post... :yawn: I need a nap these toothpicks keep breaking under the wieght of my eyelids.

[cybershaw]

Steve, i do see your point, on his pin-up stuff he does use a lot of deer in headlights look :huh:

But...if you look at some of his sequentials in the Metabarons stuff or X-men/wildcats Golden age he really draws some very intense stuff.

[khoipham]

travis is my hero.

[NightCreeper]

My sole gripe with the WW pic.

WW is inspired in greek mythology.
Her clothing should not resonate echoes of western europe (the scandinavian "Thor wings" in the helmet.

She shoud look more like a hoplite than a viking!

think "Athena", not "Boudica".

Otherwise, great stuff.

But its alright for Wonder Woman to were a Eagle on her chest, Red white and Blue. and on top of that Stars.

There is a pic that Travis drew of Robin and I thought DC should get off there ass and do. It looks like IF Robin was real. That is an Costum that he would wear. Not little elf slippers

[BIGROD]

But its alright for Wonder Woman to were a Eagle on her chest, Red white and Blue. and on top of that Stars.

There is a pic that Travis drew of Robin and I thought DC should get off there ass and do. It looks like IF Robin was real. That is an Costum that he would wear. Not little elf slippers

This?
http://www.travischarestgallery.com/images/charest.robin.jpg

or this?
http://www.travischarestgallery.com/images/batman488.jpg


Here's a better TC gallery by the way. (http://www.travischarestgallery.com)
:banana:

[BIGROD]

Here it is!

http://www.travischarestgallery.com/images/robintheboywonder.jpg

[Nitecrawlah2]

Good looks on the other galley BigRod. This gallery gives a better impression on just how well he improved his craft from the old Jim Lee days. That Robin piece is killer!

[Mr.Musgrave]

That Robin piece is killer!


See, I just don't agree. It's a boring picture. He's looks like he's posing for his mom or something. And the way the head is illustrated is done in an entirely different style than the rest of his body. Plus there's some really weird anatomy and camera angle things going on. It's fancy looking but there are a lot of flaws when you really take the time to look at it.

[Newjku]

How much movement ... or implied movement do people want in comics these days?

Can a person like refined, realistic work like Charests as well as emotional, skilled work such as Bachalo's?

[jimmybott]

How much movement ... or implied movement do people want in comics these days?

Can a person like refined, realistic work like Charests as well as emotional, skilled work such as Bachalo's?


Personally I'm a huge fan of charests work and have been for many years. Similarly I've always loved Brian Stelfreeze, whose work, in my opinion, when it comes to energy and style is at the opposite end of the spectrum to charest.

http://www.comicscontinuum.com/stories/0505/13/guncandy2.jpg

Also a lot of artists have to sacrifice quality for time. Here are 2 images from Don Kramer, one from his run on JSA another from a pitch he did with tom sniegoski called 'the janitor'.

http://www.donkramerart.com/images/janitorscan1.jpg


http://www.donkramerart.com/jsa72/jsa72pg10.jpg

I think there is a place for all comic art and all artists can be appreciated for their work.From alex ross to jeff matsuda :)

[NightCreeper]

Here it is!

http://www.travischarestgallery.com/images/robintheboywonder.jpg

That's the ONE!!!!!! God I love that one. I love Travis Charest work. The thing that I really like about him is that He'll draw Characters the way they would look in the real world. Look at Jim lee and Michael Turner two of my favorites and still the mannage to draw people like Mr. Fantastic and Cyclops all buff. Why should they have a body like Batista. The Robin pic really looks like a 19 or 20something year old guy. I understand superheroes and superpower people should be fit but HELL not like that. Not even everybody on a football basketball or even baseball team has the same body. Quartbacks, Linemen, Recivers, and Running backs are all fit. But each one has a different body style to go with what they're jobs do.

[Scott Story]

Can a person like refined, realistic work like Charests as well as emotional, skilled work such as Bachalo's?

Yes, you can like all sorts of work: good is good. (Although the idea of Bachalo's word as 'good' or 'skilled' is a hard for me accept. Taste is subjective, but there must be something there, because he get's work in the big time. A better comparison would be Charest vs. Bruce Timm.)

[Phatman]

I don't know guys, this is pretty damn good...http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e120/Mossmanart/Simple%20Simon/CHAR_WLDCTSXMN_UNPUB.jpg

[Phatman]

http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e120/Mossmanart/Simple%20Simon/travischarest-grendelprime.jpg

so boring...........

[Mr.Musgrave]

It is boring. What's grendel prime doing? Nothin'. He's standing there in the same pose we've seen a hundred times before. The robot looks cool but it's a robot. What's the robot doing? Nothin'. He's standing there. What's the chick doing? Nothin'. Standing there.

Dullsville.

[scherzo]

I gotta go with the Phatman on this one I'm afraid. Absolutely beautiful work. Amazing stuff, always right on point. :bounce:

-scherzo

[Jimmy]

What's the naked chick doing?..Um nothing... Still beautiful and good to look at!!! That's the only way I can discribe his work. :cool:

-J

[Phatman]

Musgrave-

I get what you are saying about there being a lack of action in a lot of his work, but I don't think that makes it boring. Using that definition, what artists inside or outside of comics would you find not "boring"? If you say you just don't dig his work, I understand-everybody has different taste. However, the boring part has me puzzled. I usually associate "boring" art with somebody who has no originality or substance to their work-not the case IMO with this artist.

[Mr.Musgrave]

His art has no emotional substance to it. There's no feeling behind it at all. It's entirely sterile. Nothing hits. It's just boring to look at. Fancy textures don't make art interesting. That's the lack of substance. And really, there is no originality because in this thread alone we've seen countless examples of that same pose and facial expression. It's the same thing over and over and over.

[Mr.Musgrave]

What's the naked chick doing?..Um nothing... Still beautiful and good to look at!!! That's the only way I can discribe his work. :cool:

-J


Again, it's nice to look at because of the textures. Take away the textures and what do you have? Very bland linework. There's just no substance beyond the coloring.

[Phatman]

...not a lot of action, but I wouldn't call this page boring. In this case a mundane scene-two people kissing in a lab-is pretty spectacular.

http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e120/Mossmanart/Simple%20Simon/CHAR_WCTS_2_14.jpg

[Phatman]

And really, there is no originality because in this thread alone we've seen countless examples of that same pose and facial expression. It's the same thing over and over and over.

Couldn't the same be said for Alan Davis, John Byrne, George Perez, John Romita,Jr., Carlos Pacheco, Frank Quitely, Steve Dillon, Jim Lee, etc.,etc.? You can't tell me you can't pick one of these guys' faces out ? How many redundant poses do most artists fall back on? Are none of these guys original because of repetition?

[scherzo]

Musgrave-

I get what you are saying about there being a lack of action in a lot of his work, but I don't think that makes it boring. Using that definition, what artists inside or outside of comics would you find not "boring"? If you say you just don't dig his work, I understand-everybody has different taste. However, the boring part has me puzzled. I usually associate "boring" art with somebody who has no originality or substance to their work-not the case IMO with this artist.
Charest has this innate ability to make the most "ordinary" shot visually striking(and incredibly elegant at the same time) and that's a huge factor in his appeal. He frankly doesn't NEED to indulge in flashy posing or whatever to make his work interesting. The guy could draw a full splash page of a tennis ball, and it'd probably look amazing. :)

-scherzo

[Phatman]

http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e120/Mossmanart/Simple%20Simon/1024168764166_Pg_4.jpg

http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e120/Mossmanart/Simple%20Simon/2003-09-158-42-02WILDCATS_VOL2_4_PG.jpg

http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e120/Mossmanart/Simple%20Simon/wildcats01_grifter_1manco.jpg

...a little action for Mr. M.

[Mr.Musgrave]

Couldn't the same be said for Alan Davis, John Byrne, George Perez, John Romita,Jr., Carlos Pacheco, Frank Quitely, Steve Dillon, Jim Lee, etc.,etc.? You can't tell me you can't pick one of these guys' faces out ? How many redundant poses do most artists fall back on? Are none of these guys original because of repetition?

You're missing the point. It has nothing to do with style recognition, which is what you're talking about. Lack of facial expression and emotion in art is not "fall back." It's lack of emotion. Detail, which is a big part of your argument, does not make art interesting. It makes it detailed. Detail and emotional contact are two different things. If you can't draw your viewer into the picture and elicit an emotional responce then you're not doing your job as an illustrator.

And "oh, cool! check out that detail!" is not an emotional response to the illustrated scene. It's a visual response to the detail.

[kdmelrose]

It's lack of emotion.

Strangely, Jim Lee's work leaves me cold for the same reason. I like Charest's stuff, though.

[Mr.Musgrave]

http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e120/Mossmanart/Simple%20Simon/1024168764166_Pg_4.jpg



This is the only scene from the examples with any movement or emotion to it. And 99% of it is in the last panel. The other pages look like staged snap shots. There's no movement or excitement to it at all. Again, detail is not motion or emotion.

[Mr.Musgrave]

Strangely, Jim Lee's work leaves me cold for the same reason. I like Charest's stuff, though.


Jim Lee is another artist who uses detail in place of emotional response. It's the same gritted teeth and clenched fists over and over and over again. Speedlines also aren't motion or emotion.

[Phatman]

..the two pages leading up to the last one (couldn't find the B&W)..

http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e120/Mossmanart/Simple%20Simon/issue4_page2.jpg

http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e120/Mossmanart/Simple%20Simon/issue4_page3.jpg

There are more if you want me to post them. There are a couple of spreads of just pure fight scenes if you want me to post them. I get the point you are trying to make, but....

[Mr.Musgrave]

*sigh* you're just not getting the point. Again, with the new pages there is no emotion. There's that same blank expression again. There's no sense of danger at all. No motion, no nothing.

[Phatman]

Not to get off topic, but if this is your opinion of detail, how do you respond to Perez or Darrow who live on it?

[Phatman]

...a few more pics with some action


http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e120/Mossmanart/Simple%20Simon/issue_6_page01.jpg

http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e120/Mossmanart/Simple%20Simon/issue_6_page02.jpg

http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e120/Mossmanart/Simple%20Simon/issue_6_page05.jpg

http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e120/Mossmanart/Simple%20Simon/issue_6_page06.jpg

[Mr.Musgrave]

Detail is also not the lack of emotion or motion. Just because there is a lack of movement and feeling in Charest's work, that doesn't mean all detailed art suffers from the same problem.

Edit: Those pages are the same as all the others. If I see that blank goddam expression one more time I am going to scream.

[kdmelrose]

So, to summarize for those tuning in late: Phatman: How about this page?

Musgrave: No emotion.

Phatman: Okay, how about this page?

Musgrave: Boring.

Phatman: This? Rinse, repeat.

:p

[Mr.Musgrave]

So, to summarize for those tuning in late: Phatman: How about this page?

Musgrave: No emotion.

Phatman: Okay, how about this page?

Musgrave: Boring.

Phatman: This? Rinse, repeat.

:p


Trust me, I'm just as annoyed. How many different ways do I have to say it? Detail is not emotion or motion! Detail is not emotion or motion! Detail is not emotion or motion!

The facial expression are flat. The poses are flat. The panel layouts are a convoluted mess. It's boring artistically! Just because the coloring is fancy that doesn't mean it's artistically interesting! ARGH!

[The-Spirit]

Mr. Spock can you tell me about your mother?

[Mr.Musgrave]

Yes! Exactly. It's like all of his characters are vulcans. Everything in his art reads in a monotone "voice."

[Phatman]

We can agree to disagree ;) ....one more pic>

http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e120/Mossmanart/Simple%20Simon/HEROES.jpg

...changing Musgrave's mind is the equivalent of moving Mount Fuji...

[The-Spirit]

We can agree it looks cool but Caps costume sucks there.

[Nitecrawlah2]

See, I just don't agree. It's a boring picture. He's looks like he's posing for his mom or something. And the way the head is illustrated is done in an entirely different style than the rest of his body. Plus there's some really weird anatomy and camera angle things going on. It's fancy looking but there are a lot of flaws when you really take the time to look at it.
I see what you're talking about with regards to the "camera angle". With a lot of his pieces, the center line of the page becones almost like a parabola running from top to bottom of the page. Looking at their legs and feet, you can see this slight shift in weight for his characters and, thus, camera angle of the total shot. It's his thing, and prominent in a lot of his pin-ups. I wouldn't call it flawed, however, since his "straight-forward" poses/shots tend to demonstrate excellent illustrative abilities of anatomy.

You're not saying he sucks, so I don't see what everyone's getting their panties in a twist for. I can see your point and agree, while at the same time still profess that I'm a huge fan of his work. Taking it for what it is, it's still one of the best Robin illustrations I've ever seen. Sure ain't Frank Miller anymore, that's for sure :( .

[Mr.Musgrave]

...changing Musgrave's mind is the equivalent of moving Mount Fuji...


And what do we have in this picture? THAT SAME GODDAM BLANK EXPRESSION! THAT SAME GODDAM BORING POSE! Even on the Hulk! THE HULK!

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAA!!!!


I told you I would scream.

[Mr.Musgrave]

I see what you're talking about with regards to the "camera angle". With a lot of his pieces, the center line of the page becones almost like a parabola running from top to bottom of the page.


Exactly. Oh, except that just because we see it in a lot of his pin-ups that doesn't mean it's not flawed. It just means he makes that same mistake a lot.

[scherzo]

Later for the argument...I'm happy just seeing the art posted. It's so hypnotically beautiful I can't stop staring at it. :banana:

-scherzo

[Justice41]

I don't get why anyone tries to change anyone's mind on most things. Accept that they don't feel your way and get on with life.
If you want this quality of art but more expressiveness go look at some new Keown stuff.

[Nitecrawlah2]

Exactly. Oh, except that just because we see it in a lot of his pin-ups that doesn't mean it's not flawed. It just means he makes that same mistake a lot.
No, I was saying that he tends to have his characters pose so that you're looking down at them from above. Hence the skewed view.

[Scott Story]

Well, Steve, I'll always champion your right to your opinion, and may even agree sometimes, but apparantly you are the one not getting it. What you see as boring and emotionless I see as quite exciting and fully of compressed dynamism. This is like those old arguments, where one person goes at a piece of work logically, and the other person's logic is "because that's how I feel." You, like me, know how to look at a piece of art critically, and judge it for it's specifics (composition, contrast, blah blah), and I can see why, in terms of American comics or manga, you might see these images as 'quiet." They definitely have an European sensibility to them. Be that as it may, I see them as full of action and emotion. Action does have to be just wild motion, but a semblance of life, and these characters are full of life.

[Mr.Musgrave]

Then we have very differing opinions of the definition of "full of life." And I'm very aware of European comic styles and none of them are as flat and sterile as Charest's work. I could show examples of still lifes that have more emotional pull than the stuff shown in this thread. There's nothing dynamic about any of it and it barely tells a story at all.

There's no way anyone will ever convince me that the "heroes" pic resembles anything CLOSE to dynamic or emotional.

[Scott Story]

Yeah, fair enough. I've used my best logic for why I like what I like, but in the end it's cool if we like different things.

[Mr.Musgrave]

Good. I'm having the most spectacular allergic reaction to some sea food and I'm feeling far too shitty to continue the debate.

[Scott Story]

Sorry to hear it! Yikes!

[Paul Sanderson]

I was never a fan of Charest's earlier work, but the samples here look fine to me.

[zpro1]

Travis is good when it comes to lifless exact replica of still life art. The real great comic art masters you need to look at are Todd Mcfarlane and Rob Liefeld and there you'll see some real emotion and movement in a comic book page. Aint that right Musgrave. :whistlin:
zpro1

[Mr.Musgrave]

Shouldn't you be busy jamming an industrial fan up your ass instead of trolling the boards with your "wit?"

[Nitecrawlah2]

Musgrave, I think your DW shirt should be specially made to include a bright red target on its back. They FLOCK to you!

[A.Huerta]

Exactly. Oh, except that just because we see it in a lot of his pin-ups that doesn't mean it's not flawed. It just means he makes that same mistake a lot.


It's not a mistake if he does it intentionally. That is what he feels and sees when he draws his images. Kind of like how Mignola can only make Alvin and the chipmunks all dark and cold. It is a choice that the artists make and how they express their art. Charest COULD draw some anime type energy with MAD! like expressions but he doesnt want to apparently.

I think for him its about the beauty of the drawing and not the emotion it evokes.

[Mr.Musgrave]

It's not a mistake if he does it intentionally.


If you intentionally draw something incorrectly it's still incorrect. Blaming it on style is nothing but a weak excuse.

[A.Huerta]

There is nothing incorrect about it. The drawings in your eyes are "dead".

Everything else on a technical level is amazing.

[ponyrl]

Musgrave, I think your DW shirt should be specially made to include a bright red target on its back. They FLOCK to you!
no, no, they FLOCK with him.

;)

[Lovecraft13]

I remember really digging his work when they had that X-men / WILDcats crossover because it seemed far different than anything out for its time. I still think his sequential work has a cinematic feel to 'em, but I don't like his pin-ups-- very static and dull.

[Mr.Musgrave]

There is nothing incorrect about it. The drawings in your eyes are "dead".

Everything else on a technical level is amazing.


Half the thread was about the technical flaws in his work, of which there are many. Maybe you should try reading it before you comment.

[Scribbly]

Half the thread was about the technical flaws in his work, of which there are many. Maybe you should try reading it before you comment.


All the Travis work is done, in a different tempo than the mainstream comic.
The american comic influenced by the Marvel school, were looking for EXTREME POSES, how to draw in Marvel style show this.
The regular IMAGE'S STYLE was looking for the HYPER EXTREME.
Unlike those,the MIDDLE POSES, more naturalistic, are more common from european comic.
One thing I didn't realize from Travis, and this time I'll agree with "Mr M" ,and this is a technical issue, the eyes could be more expresive.
In a figure the point of expression is, as well in real life, THE EYES.
Even when the rest of the figure is well crafted, the eyes are the only ones able to bring life.
Travi's possing in general is looking for the same effect, and this is HIS STYLE.
And I'm not sure if the eyes issue is not something pursued as part of his sculptural style.

[Mr.Musgrave]

Unlike those,the MIDDLE POSES, more naturalistic, are more common from european comic.


So that explains the anatomical flaws and the weird fish-eye lense effect most of his work has? No, didn't think so. You people have a very bizarre outlook on the word "technical."

And style is never an excuse.

[Scribbly]

So that explains the anatomical flaws and the weird fish-eye lense effect most of his work has? No, didn't think so. You people have a very bizarre outlook on the word "technical."

And style is never an excuse.

Well, he is Travis and if you don't like it, some others will do.
And if besides all the flaws you mention, the people still admiring his work, maybe is for something else. Don't you think so?

[Mr.Musgrave]

Since we're talking about the technical artistic merits of his art, none of your happy "he is travis" nonsense has anything to do with the discussion.

And again, style is never an excuse.

[Wasabe]

There is at least a chapter and a half for a how to draw comics book in this thread. Sample pages and all.

Good work people.

[A.Huerta]

Half the thread was about the technical flaws in his work, of which there are many. Maybe you should try reading it before you comment.


I have eyes, I can judge his pieces myself.

And looking through your site it seems all your cartoons have the same "feel" Can you do anything else? And I dont care if its the style, its wrong. :whistlin:

[Mr.Musgrave]

Y'know, if you were remotely on track or had any idea as to what I was talking about you might be right. But since you can't seem to seperate the ideas of "technical merit" and "style" there's no point in talking to you.

Maybe you should open your eyes and ears a little wider.

[A.Huerta]

Sure :rolleyes:


I know EXACTLY what you're talking about, youre just coming off like everything youre saying are facts and not opinions. You just cant grasp that it has nothing to do with style but thats just what his drawings are about. Some folks have tons of life while others dont. Some have the best understanding of the human figure while others dont. There is no right or wrong in this field where almost everything is subjective.

[Mr.Musgrave]

I'M TALKING ABOUT THE GOD DAMNED PARABOLA EFFECT IN HIS ARTWORK THAT SKEWS HIS ANATOMY AND PERSPECTIVE OF HIS WORK. IT IS NOT A STYLE CHOICE, IT IS A TECHNICAL FLAW.

Jesus Christ, this is the last time I try to have a fucking artistic discussion on this board. People don't even know the fucking difference between style and basic artistic foundation!

[A.Huerta]

That looks fine too me. Again it's your opinion.

[zpro1]

Yeah A.Huerta you tell him. Those Travis Charest drawings look fine. Its all in Musgraves head. :laugh: Ha ha ha ha! Maybe Musgrave's art education was taught by nazis or something. :p

[LilGreenMan]

What does he use for coloring? I've been dying for years to know. I first assumed water colors but then I learned water colors don't act like that. Markers? Dye? Gouche?


Also why doesn't anyone do an Aron wisenfeld thread, I like both these guys but I feel Wisenfeld got the one up on Charest when they were let free from the studio system.

http://www.comicsvf.com/scans/vf/soleil/deathblowetwolverine.jpg

http://www.newkadia.com/Covers/L/D/Deathblow%20WolverIne/deathblowwolverine1.jpg

[A.Huerta]

What does he use for coloring? I've been dying for years to know. I first assumed water colors but then I learned water colors don't act like that. Markers? Dye? Gouche?

http://groups.msn.com/travischarest/basictrainingpainting.msnw

[LilGreenMan]

gracias Aaron.

[carynord]

Hmm. I can see what you mean, Musgrave, about some of Travis' poses being static. Interestingly, I found his Spacegirl comic stuff to be quite action packed compared to his Wildcats stuff.

[Justice41]

What does he use for coloring? I've been dying for years to know. I first assumed water colors but then I learned water colors don't act like that. Markers? Dye? Gouche?


Also why doesn't anyone do an Aron wisenfeld thread, I like both these guys but I feel Wisenfeld got the one up on Charest when they were let free from the studio system.

Weis is out of comics I believe and into advertising or game design.
Charest achieves that look by what his under drawing looks like. Same way Adam Hughes gets his paintings to look. It's all about the under drawing.

[Scott Story]

Completely true. Charest colors lightly over fully toned artwork. Alex Ross does this, and Hughes, although Ross uses Guach and Hughes (if I remember right--not sure) uses gray markers, then colors in photoshop.

An interesting thing about this look that the old masters did something similar, shading with black and gray, because they didn't have the range of pigments easility available to us. Now we can go nuts with some very bright and varied colors, but this wasn't always the case.

[LilGreenMan]

Weis is out of comics I believe and into advertising or game design.
Charest achieves that look by what his under drawing looks like. Same way Adam Hughes gets his paintings to look. It's all about the under drawing.

Actually found his site...he's a fine artist now...go figure :)

[Justice41]

Soyarama use sepia and grey tones for his under drawing. In fact I taught myself how to airbrush from a Soyarama book where he describes the steps he takes.